Vicaine - Opioid Stimulant Complex- EXPERT FEEDBACK thread

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  1. stoked- just placed an order!


  2. I want to address something that was posted earlier, regarding the dosing for FLmoda. Earlier in the thread, we saw this in the patent...


    How should Fl-Modafinil be dosed?
    "According to an aspect of the invention, lauflumide is used as a drug according to a dosing schedule of 1 to 600 mg per day, preferably according to a dosing schedule of 50 to 400 mg per day."



    Guys, keep in mind that the dosing range here is for DAILY use...in ADHD patients, which means it would be dosed 3X per day in equally divided doses. When taking it in single doses the effective dosing range in much lower than that. There is now quite a bit of experience with this drug through research companies on forums like Reddit, etc...and the general consensus is that 100 mg "per dose" is as high as most people will want to push it...and that is when it is used WITHOUT any other stimulants. Obviously, Vicaine contains other stimulants, so taking a 100 mg dose not only unnecessary, but undesirable in the large majority of cases. This is because taking too much FLmoda combined with stims like caffeine, etc...can give you anxiety!

    This happens all the time among people who use regular moda combined with stims (caffeine, etc) and remember, FLmoda is about 4X stronger than regular moda, so using just 50 mg (the dose in Vicaine ) with other stims (also found in Vicaine) is like using 200 mg of moda in combination with stims.

    The point here is that 50 mg is already a very potent dose even when used alone, being equal to roughly 200 mg of Moda, but when combined with the other stims in Vicaine, you wouldn't want more than 50 mg. Most people say 2 caps of Vicaine is their max dose, while the guys with higher tolerances will often push it to 3 caps.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by drseuss6969 View Post
    Sub'ed and grabbing a bottle today.
    Quote Originally Posted by cubs1987 View Post
    stoked- just placed an order!
    Ditto
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/281831-sparkss-journey-recovery.html

  4. Quote Originally Posted by cubs1987 View Post
    stoked- just placed an order!
    Cubs whats up man!! So nice to see you. Thank you very very much I def want to hear what you have to say once you try this!!!!

    BTW guys not sure if everyone saw it, but anyone who may have missed it, you can use my code "WES20" at checkout for 20% off. Makes the product more affordable
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Sparkss View Post
    Ditto

    Thank you as well, very much and Enjoy man
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  6. Subbed.

  7. Anabolic Minds @cubs1987 @Sparkss

    A few orders came in and no discount codes were used!!!

    You guys get 20% off if you use my code "WES20" at checkout. If you did not use the code and you ordered, no worries, take 1 minute and send an email to this link
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    Let them know you ordered and you did not use a code, but wanted to use code "WES20". You will have the 20% refunded to you.

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  8. Anabolic Minds
    @cubs1987 @Sparkss

    A few orders came in and no discount codes were used!!!

    You guys get 20% off if you use my code "WES20" at checkout. If you did not use the code and you ordered, no worries, take 1 minute and send an email to this link
    https://www.masupps.com/contact/

    Let them know you ordered and you did not use a code, but wanted to use code "WES20". You will have the 20% refunded to you.

    How does this sound?
    Lightweight Sponsored Bodybuilder/Strongman Competitor- Iron Mag Labs "WES15" for 15% off
    Iron Mag Labs=- www.ironmaglabs.com /Iron Mag Research- www.ironmagresearch.com / "WES20" for 20% off at MA Labs- www.masupps.com

  9. Anabolic Minds @cubs1987 @Sparkss

    A few orders came in and no discount codes were used!!!

    You guys get 20% off if you use my code "WES20" at checkout. If you did not use the code and you ordered, no worries, take 1 minute and send an email to this link
    https://www.masupps.com/contact/

    Let them know you ordered and you did not use a code, but wanted to use code "WES20". You will have the 20% refunded to you.

    How does this sound?
    Lightweight Sponsored Bodybuilder/Strongman Competitor- Iron Mag Labs "WES15" for 15% off
    Iron Mag Labs=- www.ironmaglabs.com /Iron Mag Research- www.ironmagresearch.com / "WES20" for 20% off at MA Labs- www.masupps.com

  10. Duplicate post- Apologies
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by WesleyInman View Post
    Anabolic Minds
    @cubs1987 @Sparkss

    A few orders came in and no discount codes were used!!!

    You guys get 20% off if you use my code "WES20" at checkout. If you did not use the code and you ordered, no worries, take 1 minute and send an email to this link
    https://www.masupps.com/contact/

    Let them know you ordered and you did not use a code, but wanted to use code "WES20". You will have the 20% refunded to you.

    How does this sound?
    Sounds great, but I used the discount code already . I used AM20, only to give props to the AM community. I was not sure if your (WES20) code was shared across multiple forums, and I wanted to let MA Labs know that their sponsorship on AM was what brought me to the site.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/281831-sparkss-journey-recovery.html

  12. Quote Originally Posted by CJNator View Post
    My statement isn't directed at the fact that is doesn't directly effect body comp, it's that the price is double the average preworkout. I understand value is subjective but I'm sure there are other things you can get for 60$ that would benefit you more. I'm not belittling the product or anyone that gets it, hell I might get it if I have the extra money to spend.
    No I get what you're saying. I'm just also saying that it really comes down to what you wanna spend your money on. I pay for cialis not for body composition but for boner bonanzas. People buy pot because it makes them feel good, I personally don't like how it makes me feel and act unless I'm using it to fall asleep. That's why I'm considering trying this! The feeeeeelsman.
    Training & everything else log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/275307-bam-bam-goes-30.html

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CJNator View Post
    Subd, will the price lower? In my opinion that's a bit pricey for a product that doesn't directly effect body composition. On the other hand, it being pricey would stray away anyone that would primarily look to abuse it.
    Every now and then I will see someone say it is pricey. At $59.99 (with the discount), it is more costly than the average "supp", but when comparing the cost to what you actually get, it is FAR less costly than almost every other supplement out there. Allow me to explain.

    Most people who aren't "in" the supp industry don't understand what kind of money supp companies are actually making on them. The typical product in this industry costs about $5-$10 to make and has a profit margin of 400-500+%...and some profit margins are well over 1,000%! Lest you think that profit margins over 500% are uncommon, think again. Some of the most popular products out there have 800-1,000% profit margins.

    For those of you who are unaware, a profit margin refers to the percentage of revenue remaining after all costs have been deducted. If a product has a profit margin of 500%, that means the company is making 5X as much money on it as what it costs them to make it. Do the math. I could list some very commonly sold products--by many companies--that cost under $5 to make and are sold for between $59-$99 (and sometimes more). Most customers buy these products without a second thought and are very "happy" with their purchase...because they have no idea how badly they are getting ****ed in the ass.

    By comparison, Vicaine's profit margin is a small fraction of the industry average...and I mean a SMALL fraction. It is about as low as you are ever going to get. I have had many people within the industry tell me (behind closed doors, after learning about the product's manufacturing cost to purchase price ratio) that I was "giving my products away", that I should "get rid of the discount", and that I should "raise my price". These are all real quotes pulled from my saved emails. It gives you an idea of the mentality that pervades the industry.

    On another note. There have been a few guys, whose initial thought was the same as yours, that tried to purchase each ingredient separately, in bulk...in the hope of getting a better price. Afterward, they publicly posted that even when trying to buy in bulk they could not get as good of a deal as what I sell it for...and they are correct. You would need to order 1,000 bottles (or more) through a manufacturer in order to get a better price.

    However, before long you will start seeing the reviews pile up here...and combined with the 100's of other reviews already out there, you will have a pretty good whether or not it is something you want to try.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by CJNator View Post
    My statement isn't directed at the fact that is doesn't directly effect body comp, it's that the price is double the average preworkout. I understand value is subjective but I'm sure there are other things you can get for 60$ that would benefit you more. I'm not belittling the product or anyone that gets it, hell I might get it if I have the extra money to spend.
    It's not just a "pre-workout". It can be used for many different things...and often is. For the record, there is NOT a single other supplement on the entire market, anywhere in the world, that will provide the same benefits as Vicaine. So, when you say "I'm sure there are other things you can get for 60$ that would benefit you more", it is actually incorrect from a replacment standpoint, as Vicaine's effect profile can't be replaced with other supplements, no matter how much money you spend on them.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Thank you for taking the time to respond and actually informing/educating people about he nature of this product and how to use it, along with the potential for abuse that is associated with it.

    With that said, I strongly feel that comparing it to prescribed psych meds is not really 1:1, as I would hope that people are taking these medications under doctor supervision. Of course, many doctors hand drugs out like candy and don't really give a damn about the patients abusing them, but being prescribed a medication, and hopefully having limited supply/access to it and having regular updates and check-ups is vastly different than just seeing something on the internet and buying it. Being better than corrupt, unethical, drug-pushing doctors (not all doctors fall under this umbrella of course) isn't really much to brag about.

    Again, I am happy you are being upfront and honest on this forum, but I can't help but be concerned for people who may find this product online WITHOUT reading about it on a forum, and MA has admitted that the website does not really provide nearly the level of warnings/caution that we have here. I didn't see ANY mention of potential for abuse or addiction on the website, only the tiny mention of not to use more than 4 times per week or if you have a history of addiction, and said it (the lack of this information) is to protect the site/seller/whatever, but don't you think it potentiality puts some consumers at risk? Just because it's more than super-shady research chemical sites say doesn't mean it's good, just that it's better than something really bad. Granted, people should do their research before ingesting anything, but we know that doesn't always happen, and it only takes a few uneducated people abusing this product to have it taken away from everyone, and even have the government decide to get more involved witch regulating supplements and limiting our access to them, even safe ones.

    Just my $0.02 and trying to look out for people. Again, I do think people have the right to use whatever they want, but I do feel that it's only responsible to try to ensure that these people are aware of the nature, both good and bad, of what they are taking.
    I should also mention that nearly 1,000 people have used Vicaine at this point...and NO ONE has reported any serious side effects.

  16. Two day shipping on mine it looks like! Will try to post a review on Saturday. I am always writing papers for my masters program so that is probably what I will test it on!

  17. Double Post
    Last edited by drseuss6969; 06-29-2017 at 09:50 PM. Reason: Double Post

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Sparkss View Post
    Sounds great, but I used the discount code already . I used AM20, only to give props to the AM community. I was not sure if your (WES20) code was shared across multiple forums, and I wanted to let MA Labs know that their sponsorship on AM was what brought me to the site.
    Thank you for your support, brother. Also, just so you aware for the future, Wes's code (wes20) is only used here at AM, so that Wes's sales could be tracked specifically throughout the AM community. Obviously, the "am20" code is only used here as well. Thank you again and let us know if you have any questions at any point in the future.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    Thank you for your support, brother. Also, just so you aware for the future, Wes's code (wes20) is only used here at AM, so that Wes's sales could be tracked specifically throughout the AM community. Obviously, the "am20" code is only used here as well. Thank you again and let us know if you have any questions at any point in the future.
    I will use Wes's code for the next purchase then!
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/281831-sparkss-journey-recovery.html

  20. Quote Originally Posted by drseuss6969 View Post
    Two day shipping on mine it looks like! Will try to post a review on Saturday. I am always writing papers for my masters program so that is probably what I will test it on!

    Awesome...hope you really like it. Please don't start with more than 2caps. You can always adjust the dosage from there. Thank you for the support.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    It's not just a "pre-workout". It can be used for many different things...and often is. For the record, there is NOT a single other supplement on the entire market, anywhere in the world, that will provide the same benefits as Vicaine. So, when you say "I'm sure there are other things you can get for 60$ that would benefit you more", it is actually incorrect from a replacment standpoint, as Vicaine's effect profile can't be replaced with other supplements, no matter how much money you spend on them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    Every now and then I will see someone say it is pricey. At $59.99 (with the discount), it is more costly than the average "supp", but when comparing the cost to what you actually get, it is FAR less costly than almost every other supplement out there. Allow me to explain.

    Most people who aren't "in" the supp industry don't understand what kind of money supp companies are actually making on them. The typical product in this industry costs about $5-$10 to make and has a profit margin of 400-500+%...and some profit margins are well over 1,000%! Lest you think that profit margins over 500% are uncommon, think again. Some of the most popular products out there have 800-1,000% profit margins.

    For those of you who are unaware, a profit margin refers to the percentage of revenue remaining after all costs have been deducted. If a product has a profit margin of 500%, that means the company is making 5X as much money on it as what it costs them to make it. Do the math. I could list some very commonly sold products--by many companies--that cost under $5 to make and are sold for between $59-$99 (and sometimes more). Most customers buy these products without a second thought and are very "happy" with their purchase...because they have no idea how badly they are getting ****ed in the ass.

    By comparison, Vicaine's profit margin is a small fraction of the industry average...and I mean a SMALL fraction. It is about as low as you are ever going to get. I have had many people within the industry tell me (behind closed doors, after learning about the product's manufacturing cost to purchase price ratio) that I was "giving my products away", that I should "get rid of the discount", and that I should "raise my price". These are all real quotes pulled from my saved emails. It gives you an idea of the mentality that pervades the industry.

    On another note. There have been a few guys, whose initial thought was the same as yours, that tried to purchase each ingredient separately, in bulk...in the hope of getting a better price. Afterward, they publicly posted that even when trying to buy in bulk they could not get as good of a deal as what I sell it for...and they are correct. You would need to order 1,000 bottles (or more) through a manufacturer in order to get a better price.

    However, before long you will start seeing the reviews pile up here...and combined with the 100's of other reviews already out there, you will have a pretty good whether or not it is something you want to try.
    I probably will get it eventually and take it on my down time, it's seems like a good unorthodox supplement for a lot of things. It would be cool to see a write up on it.

  22. So I took two pills and the first hour it was pretty great, however it ended up being wayyyy to much for me. I got really dizzy and did not feel well. Going to try one pill next time to give it a fair chance!

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by drseuss6969 View Post
    So I took two pills and the first hour it was pretty great, however it ended up being wayyyy to much for me. I got really dizzy and did not feel well. Going to try one pill next time to give it a fair chance!
    Yeah, cut it down to one. Most people do best with two, but for some it is too much.

    What most likely happened is that you experienced a minor opioid OD...not in a serious way, mind you, but enough to make you not feel well. For example, most people who have taken a drug like Vicodin or Percocet like the way it makes them feel. In fact, most would say they feel GREAT...that is...unless they take too much. This is much more common among the inexperienced, but can happen to experienced users as well. An opioid OD is usually characterized by nausea, dizziness, sweating, and even vomiting.

    Milder OD's will start out with the user feeling great, but as opioid concentrations within the bloodstream continue to rise, the individual moves from a feeling of euphoria to one of dysphoria (nausea, dizziness, sweating, vomiting, etc), effectively ending the pleasurable experience.

    Some people are more sensitive to the effects of opioids than others...and make no mistake, Vicaine contains a FULL OPIOID AGONIST just like the above mentioned drugs...and at a fairly high dose (for those without a tolerance, that is) for that matter. In these individuals even low-moderate doses can be too much. Like Wesley said in a different thread (and I concur), it seems that only about 1/10 people feel that 2 caps of Vicaine is too much for them and do best with just one cap. Considering what you have described above (going from feeling great to feeling dizzy-unwell), you very likely experienced a very minor opioid OD--certainly nothing harmful, but enough to put a damper on your experience.

    Vicaine is a very powerful product and should be taken seriously. It is not your everyday, garden variety supplement, but a potent concoction of compounds that produces an effect comparable to well known prescription/black market. drugs. I specifically formulated Vicaine to be STRONG, so that no one could ever accuse me of under-dosing my products (one thing will never do), but this is also why I made sure to leave multiple dosing options available (1-3 caps), so that pretty much anyone could find a dose that works best for them.

    Give just one cap a shot--and wait until you feel wide awake to take it. Most people do best taking it at least a few hours after they've woken up and 1-2 hours after they've eaten something (but not immediately after eating, as that can dull its effects), as taking pills on an empty stomach first rise in the morning (no matter what it is) often makes people feel nauseas and dizzy, so try to avoid that by waiting a bit later in the day to take it.
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