If we started an association

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  1. Well, unfortunately we can't really police the industry. I would like to offer cheap testing services for people though and cheap testing for supplement companies.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    unfortunately we can't really police the industry
    "We" as in LegalGear, or "we" as in supplement industry participants as a whole.

    I would like to hear your thoughts on the pros and cons of such a system/organization.

    Maybe in a new thread? Hey, I'll start one.
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  3. We as in the new organization. I am not really part of LG any more, my partner is CEO. I do help out for sure, but he is running the place. I am CEO of LegalGear still. I am thinking about releasing some LegalGear products, like weight belts etc...

    What do you guys think?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    I am not really part of LG any more. ... I am CEO of LegalGear still.


    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    I am thinking about releasing some LegalGear products, like weight belts etc...

    What do you guys think?
    That was out of the blue... ?? No, I think that is a bad idea.

  5. Why? It is a cool name...

    Anyway, I would like to get AM to work on the association with me. I will speak to Bobo about it. Could be really cool. I want it to be 100% above board and open to all people.
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  6. Give us teh 1AD and Andro Test mmmmmmmmm!!!

  7. I think the only way it will work is if you have an organisation that represents the supplement industry and not the consumer (sorry). You would need to get a certain amount of companies involved who pay a yearly fee and meet every so often.

    This is something that we have in Europe (i work for a supp comany in the UK), called ESSNA.

    Really depends if you want something to lobby or just a group of people to get cheaper medical cover!

  8. I agree, that the companies are the primary donators. They also could benefit from the healthcare, since we are responsible for buying our own.

  9. this seems to be a really popular topic. i'm in. my brother in law and i run a small supplement store out of our flea market. we get quality customers, but i'm tired of the average, non exercising individual walking by and stating that everything we sell is steriods. it happens more than most people would think, and it's generally said under their breath, so they don't think we hear them. general america is ignorant. ignorant about nutrition, exercise, and supplementation. that includes Washington as well. our governmental representatives don't have a clue. i gave a sample of Axis Labs Smash today to a customer and his girlfriend looked at me and asked if it would damage his liver... even after i explained that it was a similar N.O.Xplode product he was taking. God. i'm on a soap box.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by avgBdybldr View Post
    this seems to be a really popular topic. i'm in. my brother in law and i run a small supplement store out of our flea market. we get quality customers, but i'm tired of the average, non exercising individual walking by and stating that everything we sell is steriods. it happens more than most people would think, and it's generally said under their breath, so they don't think we hear them. general america is ignorant. ignorant about nutrition, exercise, and supplementation. that includes Washington as well. our governmental representatives don't have a clue. i gave a sample of Axis Labs Smash today to a customer and his girlfriend looked at me and asked if it would damage his liver... even after i explained that it was a similar N.O.Xplode product he was taking. God. i'm on a soap box.
    lol, that is just sad. A ton of people do not even have a clue. A lot of the times that ignorance is just a form of jealousy IMO.

  11. I think if structured properly could be exactly what we need. i'd be down.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash View Post
    lol, that is just sad. A ton of people do not even have a clue. A lot of the times that ignorance is just a form of jealousy IMO.
    Exactly, they are to lazy and ignorant to get themselves into even half way decent shape, so they blame anyone elses acomplishments on steroids/ supplements. No cure for stupid and lazy.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by pushinweightw View Post
    Exactly, they are to lazy and ignorant to get themselves into even half way decent shape, so they blame anyone elses acomplishments on steroids/ supplements. No cure for stupid and lazy.
    To quote Ron White "You can't fix stupid." It is embarassing how ignorant much of the general public is when it comes to health, wellness, and supplementation. Just try working in a supplement store. There are a few lights of hope though, like when the people that come in know more than you do. At that point I'm just listening and doing my best to retain what's being said.

    I am wondering if/when/how we are moving from here. Talk is fun but doing is much more rewarding.
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!

  14. sign me up. be nice for truth and common sense to prevail.

  15. I'd ****ing join today if it were to do this:

    Lobby to keep the supplements safe, i.e. legitimate companies producing legitimate products that contain the ingredients listed, that are safe if used according to their labels. (Everything is deadly if you use it enough or in the wrong amounts. Let me decide how much I can handle.)

    Allow anabolic steroids for personal use. Perhaps even tax it like cigarettes are and you would have to show ID +21, and buy it from a pharmacist along with sharps. Have harsh penalties for anyone re-distributing it, especially/including to anyone under 21. This includes not just posession but injecting someone under 21. That way it IS for the children. **** em. Let them read Spider Man comics. I'm a man and I wanna get my swole on.

    And, unban everything that was banned in 04-05 for those of us uncomfortable with injections at the moment. Total and complete bull**** banning them IMHO. All politically motivated I'd say.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Dr Packenwood View Post
    I'd ****ing join today if it were to do this:

    Lobby to keep the supplements safe, i.e. legitimate companies producing legitimate products that contain the ingredients listed, that are safe if used according to their labels. (Everything is deadly if you use it enough or in the wrong amounts. Let me decide how much I can handle.)

    Allow anabolic steroids for personal use. Perhaps even tax it like cigarettes are and you would have to show ID +21, and buy it from a pharmacist along with sharps. Have harsh penalties for anyone re-distributing it, especially/including to anyone under 21. This includes not just posession but injecting someone under 21. That way it IS for the children. **** em. Let them read Spider Man comics. I'm a man and I wanna get my swole on.

    And, unban everything that was banned in 04-05 for those of us uncomfortable with injections at the moment. Total and complete bull**** banning them IMHO. All politically motivated I'd say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Packenwood View Post
    I'd ****ing join today if it were to do this:

    Lobby to keep the supplements safe, i.e. legitimate companies producing legitimate products that contain the ingredients listed, that are safe if used according to their labels. (Everything is deadly if you use it enough or in the wrong amounts. Let me decide how much I can handle.)

    Allow anabolic steroids for personal use. Perhaps even tax it like cigarettes are and you would have to show ID +21, and buy it from a pharmacist along with sharps. Have harsh penalties for anyone re-distributing it, especially/including to anyone under 21. This includes not just posession but injecting someone under 21. That way it IS for the children. **** em. Let them read Spider Man comics. I'm a man and I wanna get my swole on.

    And, unban everything that was banned in 04-05 for those of us uncomfortable with injections at the moment. Total and complete bull**** banning them IMHO. All politically motivated I'd say.
    Everything is politically motivated. Its bull****. Now the govnt wants a part of one of the biggest industries in the world, the supplement industry. They know it brings in millions if not billions of dollars a year, so taxing it would only mean more money for their rich fat asses. Whats dying rich prove in the long run? Nothing, you're dead. To any govnt related persons

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash View Post
    Everything is politically motivated. Its bull****. Now the govnt wants a part of one of the biggest industries in the world, the supplement industry. They know it brings in millions if not billions of dollars a year, so taxing it would only mean more money for their rich fat asses. Whats dying rich prove in the long run? Nothing, you're dead. To any govnt related persons
    Thats the reason why I figured taxing it would bring it about. They get $$, we get supps that work.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Dr Packenwood View Post
    Thats the reason why I figured taxing it would bring it about. They get $$, we get supps that work.

  19. this is all fine and dandy... but talking bout it here on the boards wont get any body anywhere, someone in the know where to take step on to get this in motion DO IT, then come back here and tell me where to sign on the dotted line and I'll continue to campaign, lobby and sign petitions until this is done.

    Did any of you catch the thread on CODEX????
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...codex-why.html

    It starts at sites like these, I watched the video, I went to the site, I signed the petition and I requested for more information to be sent to me as updates are made. Without action boys your wishes wont come true. I suggest again someone in the know get the ball rolling and then come here an sstart a rucous to get **** signed, also go to the link I posted and sign that if you even want to be able to dose vitamin C in 1000mg doses in the future.....

  20. Well, we have to get started with soliciting supplement companies. Would anyone want to volunteer? I will talk to bobo about it too.

  21. I'll solicit Legal Gear for you. ...anyone else?

  22. This sounds very intriguing, but the pharmaceutical companies have one of the most powerful lobbys in D.C. It even equals the oil industries' lobyy. I definitely would love to have a voice in the debate.

    I love the idea decriminalization of steroids as a first step because i doubt that outright legalization even as a controlled substance is possible with all of this Roger Clemens bull popping up around Sportscenter.

  23. Well, most nutritional support for this comes under fire because of sports. First job would be to seperate ourselves from athletes and clean up the industry as far as selling to kids. Even a voluntary over 21 label would be a good first start like we have had since the begining.

  24. I would be down having companies to have to meet label claims and to show ID to purchase but that would mean internet sales would drop think about it. how could you go about the purchase online thing , anyone could use someone else credit card, so thats a whole other can of worm. I also believe PA could help I dont think you should single him out

  25. Quote Originally Posted by BLACK747 View Post
    I would be down having companies to have to meet label claims and to show ID to purchase but that would mean internet sales would drop think about it. how could you go about the purchase online thing , anyone could use someone else credit card, so thats a whole other can of worm. I also believe PA could help I dont think you should single him out
    There are many things that are age restrictive that can be purchased online. Credit Card purchases include a clause that says that the card holder is at least 18 years old, or has permission of card holder to use said card.

    A first step in the right direction would be for the supplement industry to at least put intended ages on bottles. Don't need kids taking product in their formative years that can potentially stunt their growth.

    I know DSHEA is a pain, but would it be possible to include more items on certain labels? Like on products that can produce adverse effects if not dosed properly or taken without proper cycle or pct. Items that can protect consumers as well as the companies, that way even the uninformed will have no excuse not to use a product properly or without proper additional items (pct, etc.)

    I really like how we're still throwing ideas around in here. I still want my Million Muscle March!
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!

  26. I agree but if you really want to clean up the supplement industry you have to look at everything including these run of the mill companies coming out saying they contain one thing and they dont and when they are caught in the wrong and called on it they threating with a law suit. For one thing its to easy for supplement companies to bring new supplements out without it bieng tested to meet label claims and i wish they would stop with all this fancy chemical talk break it down simple stupid [[peace]]

  27. A quick rule of thumb to people if you cant read whats on the label dont buy it.

  28. So as opposed to shooting everything down how about being a little more constructive?

    Maybe the installment of a reputable, unbiased facility that third party tests supplements to ensure that what's on the label is what's in the product. But if I were to say that I would be met with 'blah blah blah they'd be bought and become corrupt blee blee blee.'

    There are many ways to get your point across without completely disavowing someone elses'.
    "I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
    WHITE WHALE!

  29. listen homeboy im not shooting everybody down im just stating my opinion on something if i offend you im sorry but the problem still exist

  30. point still bieng if you dont know what you are taking i guess i should have put it that way ,dont take it and like i said before son PA could help.
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