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    Info on NEW M1-D Black


    THE SCIENCE BEHIND M1D BLACK

    M1D is a advanced version of our popular hormone products, it is a prohormone that may convert into testosterone at a very high rate. It is a very elegant product that needs some explaining!

    Prohormone 100mg **
    3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One - the prohormone

    Metabolism Complex 590mg **
    2-Phenyl-Di-Benzyl-Benzopyran-4-One a non-steroidal aromatase inhibitor shown in preliminary studies to be stronger than ATD and 6-OXO.

    Phellodendron - in one preliminary study, this ingredient works like Tamoxifen in the body to block estrogen.

    L-Carnitine L Tartrate - according to studies, carnitine may make testosterone more active at the receptor.

    Cissus quadrangularis - this extract may reduce cortisol and is anabolic.

    Luteolin - Sulfotransferase Inhibitor which is one of the main ways hormones are excreted (sulfated hormones are rapidly excreted) thus increasing the life of your hormones

    Piperine - Glucoronidase inhibitor which is another main way hormones are excreted (glucoronidated testosterone is rapidly excreted in the body for example) thus increasing the life of your hormones

    Stinging Nettle Extract - according to preliminary studies, may reduce SHBG and DHT, to make more testosterone available and may also reduce 5aReductase activity which is the enzyme that converts testosterone to DHT (5aReductase is another way to deactivate testosterone)
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    Oh, and word is this will be out this month... we're hoping NP gets it in 2 weeks.
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    I'm currently in the middle of my second week of m1d. What could I expect differently from m1d black compared to the current m1d?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave99 View Post
    I'm currently in the middle of my second week of m1d. What could I expect differently from m1d black compared to the current m1d?
    How much cissus roughly in a serving ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave99 View Post
    I'm currently in the middle of my second week of m1d. What could I expect differently from m1d black compared to the current m1d?
    From what i gather, M1-D should produce results quicker and be much stronger. With increased AI properties we'll see a higher T:E ratio which will have many obvious benefits.

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    How much cissus roughly in a serving ??
    Will be a bit before we get all the info on the product, and as with most prop blends we may or may not be able to disclose serving size. I'm guessing we'll get a blanket answer that the dose is either "enough" or "not enough."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam
    Will be a bit before we get all the info on the product, and as with most prop blends we may or may not be able to disclose serving size. I'm guessing we'll get a blanket answer that the dose is either "enough" or "not enough."
    being a rep, i understand and respect ..blanket answer is fine
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    Excited for this, M1D always served me well!
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    Just baught M1D.....will have to buy M1D black also to compare ! Pump for it look real nice !!!
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    umm...... 3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One = DHEA

    explain please?
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    Will it be sublingual ?

    It is a enchance DHEA a bit not just straight DHEA, a reps will explain it better
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    umm...... 3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One = DHEA

    explain please?
    I don't understand what you're getting at. Yes it's DHEA, and the biggest detractor from DHEA is the high conversion to estrogen, which hopefully we've curbed with this new blend. We can't sell a methyl steroid, we're trying to be FDA compliant and able to sell at national retailers. This makes sense yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    I don't understand what you're getting at. Yes it's DHEA, and the biggest detractor from DHEA is the high conversion to estrogen, which hopefully we've curbed with this new blend. We can't sell a methyl steroid, we're trying to be FDA compliant and able to sell at national retailers. This makes sense yes?
    what im getting at is that lg wrote 3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One instead of dhea... why be misleading???...

    i understand the need to make products and sell them, i understand people have families to feed..... but why market dhea as a muscle building supplement when its useless for this purpose.
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    what im getting at is that lg wrote 3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One instead of dhea... why be misleading???...

    i understand the need to make products and sell them, i understand people have families to feed..... but why market dhea as a muscle building supplement when its useless for this purpose.
    I don't agree with the statement that DHEA is useless for muscle building. But if that's your opinion then M1-D probably isn't for you. We're deffinitely not trying to "get one over" on the consumer.
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    I still think LG should just write DHEA as DHEA instead of the crazy formula which causes people to think LG is trying to trick their customers. Eric wrote a great article a while back on why DHEA worked the way it did in M1D, so there is no reason that the same rationalization and information could be given with the new black version.

    The real question I have is why LG decided to go with the same old DHEA as before as opposed to one of the newer, seemingly more effective types that are used in Primordials products and in the AMS products etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    what im getting at is that lg wrote 3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One instead of dhea... why be misleading???...

    i understand the need to make products and sell them, i understand people have families to feed..... but why market dhea as a muscle building supplement when its useless for this purpose.
    PHs tradditionally have always put the chemical name on the label, do you complain too that something says 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol instead of Methyldrostanolone (which is superdrol)?

    If you want to suggest the proper name for DHEA on the label, then shouldnt it say 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone and not DHEA? And if it did say 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone couldn't your misleading argument still be applied since not many people know what that is?

    It is well known that these products contain DHEA, it isn't a cover up or marketing ploy. Yes this product does contain dhea along with other key ingredients that may add or take away from the potency of the product and you suggesting that they are being misleading or that DHEA is pointless then you either have no clue or are being disingenuous. DHEA has so many pathways and can convert to numerous hormones

    And as far as M1D is just plain DHEA .. see write up on the previous M1D below
    Quote Originally Posted by LG Sciences View Post
    Ok, Methyl 1-D is always being questioned, so I thought I would write a quick explanation on the science behind it and why the knock off products are no where near as good. You can get an idea of the time spent on the product.

    Methyl 1-D isn't just DHEA, we use a DHEA Ethanoate Ester. Ethanoate Esters help improve functional absorbtion while (my theory) blocking some of the effects of Sulfotransferase. Sufation is the main way Androsterones get inactivated in the body and the Ethanoate Ester occupies the same spot as the Sufate, so in theory it should increase the bioavailability of the molecule. Sulfation is the main reason you need to take a thousand milligrams of a diol to make it effective. Blocking Sulfation was started in this industry by US!

    Ingredient # 1 - ATD
    ATD blocks aromatase and keeps more of the conversion process in check, so more DHEA is available to convert into Testosterone.

    Ingredient # 2 - Ellagic Acid
    A natural SERM derivied from raspberries. Ellagic Acid would serve to block any intrinsic estrogenic effects of the 5-ENE molecule.

    Ingredient # 3 - Milk Thistle
    Milk Thistle isn't just for livers, it blocks the second big route of excretion, Glucoronidation. The standardized Milk Thistle we use, inhibits Glucoronidase.

    Ingredient # 4 - Luteolin
    Luteolin is a Sulfotransferase competitive inhibitor. Meaning it soaks up the Sulfotransferase enzyme so it can't act on the hormone. A HUGE percent of 3b-ol steroids get sulfated, which makes them inactive. Luteolin is a strong binder to Sulfotransferase, much stronger than a prohormone.

    Ingredient # 5 - Stinging Nettle Extract
    We all know that this blocks SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but the full plant extract is also a 5aReductase inhibitor, which means less converstion to DHT and much higher androgen levels.

    Ingredient # 6 - Coleus Forskolin
    CF upregulates 3bHSD, the enzyme responsible for converting the 3b-ol to the active. Since the gut contains a boat load of 17bHSD much of the oral hormone is turned into 5-AD, which if you block the estrogenic effects (which we have) is pretty potent.

    Ingredient # 7 - Caprylic Acid
    This is one half of Receptor, which makes the cells more sensitive to androgens.

    Ingredient # 8 - Zinc Aspertate
    The Z in ZMA is what does all the work. Zinc increases the effeciency of the Androgen receptor fingers.

    Ingredient # 9 - Piperine
    Piperine increases absorbtion by blocking Glucoronidase as well as increasing intestinal permeability.

    So, when someone says "M1D is ****, it's just DHEA" post them this write up please...

    Honestly, all hormones (except the 17aMethyl) could benefit from our delivery methods (patent pending). Making the stuff you have work better is what we are all about. We are not perfect, but as you can see I am quite proud of Methyl 1-D!
    I look forward to using this product and seeing how it was improved upon
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    So does this mean that LG is going to join the true dark side again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colbert View Post
    So does this mean that LG is going to join the true dark side again?
    No

    Dark side would imply illegal or questionable products.

    All LG products are compliant with the current FDA regulations
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    PHs tradditionally have always put the chemical name on the label, do you complain too that something says 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol instead of Methyldrostanolone (which is superdrol)?

    no, because superdrol works for building muscle... dhea i havent seen be effective in young healthy males

    If you want to suggest the proper name for DHEA on the label, then shouldnt it say 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone and not DHEA? And if it did say 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone couldn't your misleading argument still be applied since not many people know what that is?

    i just personally believe the label was listed the way it was to confuse people who have no clue what theyre reading/doing

    It is well known that these products contain DHEA, it isn't a cover up or marketing ploy. Yes this product does contain dhea along with other key ingredients that may add or take away from the potency of the product and you suggesting that they are being misleading or that DHEA is pointless then you either have no clue or are being disingenuous. DHEA has so many pathways and can convert to numerous hormones

    dhea converts at a high rate to estrogen when administered orally... what other key ingredients? ATD=anti androgen... worthless.... even if the dhea is converting to test because of the ATD, its also rendered useless because of ATD

    some of the other herbs/vitamins in the supplement are useful, but not dhea/atd combo...


    And as far as M1D is just plain DHEA .. see write up on the previous M1D below

    I look forward to using this product and seeing how it was improved upon

    i dont wanna e-fight with you, i understand you need people to buy supps, the sad part is... most people dont know what works and what doesnt... i can tell you that atd and dhea isnt something i would wanna be putting into my body
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    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    i dont wanna e-fight with you, i understand you need people to buy supps, the sad part is... most people dont know what works and what doesnt... i can tell you that atd and dhea isnt something i would wanna be putting into my body
    E-fight?



    I apoligize if my post came off in a hostile manner as that was not my intention although your posting seems to be clearly an attack of a supplement in their own sub-forum but regardless that was not my intention so i apologize if you took it that way

    And to address your points..

    no, because superdrol works for building muscle...
    So it is okay to use the chemical name of one compound but not another? And this rule is based of your percieved effectiveness of said product?

    Your issue was the chemical name was used (3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One) and not the slang name (DHEA) so my response was do you have the same concern for other prohormones that use the chemical name rather than the proper or slang one?

    dhea i havent seen be effective in young healthy males
    M1D is much more than just DHEA.

    The problem with DHEA is that it must undergo two enzymatic conversions to arrive at testosterone and has two chances to aromatize into estrogen during these conversions. This can result in higher estrogen levels and LG has taken this into account and added ingredients along with DHEA in order to channel the conversion to testosterone along with reducing conversion to estrogenic and androgenic metabolites.

    i just personally believe the label was listed the way it was to confuse people who have no clue what theyre reading/doing
    Again prohormones have traditionally always had the chemical name on the label. The proper name of DHEA would have been 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone and this could have been just as confusing as the chemical name. Like I said prior it is well known that M1D contain DHEA and no one from LG tried to hide or deny this so your accusation is really just unfounded.

    dhea converts at a high rate to estrogen when administered orally... what other key ingredients? ATD=anti androgen... worthless.... even if the dhea is converting to test because of the ATD, its also rendered useless because of ATD
    I think I explained the estrogen conversion above already. As for the other key ingredients.. I dont know if you noticed but when I quoted the write up I specifically put "see write up on the previous M1D below", note the bold underlined work there?

    In the original post he states that 2-Phenyl-Di-Benzyl-Benzopyran-4-One (which is a 7,8-benz derivative) is the AI used NOT ATD.


    i understand you need people to buy supps, the sad part is... most people dont know what works and what doesnt... i can tell you that atd and dhea isnt something i would wanna be putting into my body
    I dont need anyone to buy anything. I have no affliation with LG Science and have no benefit from sales of this product. I was simply checking recent post and your post caught my attention so I responded.

    I understand that you have no interest in this product nor DHEA. However, what I dont understand then is why even comment in the thread? Or attempt to discredit the company and make it seem like they are trying to pull a fast one?
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    Hormonal agents are very good at reversing the damage that environmental toxins are doing to your body. If you ask me, everyone should be on something similar to M1D Black to block estrogen and raise the androgenic environment.

    An AI and 5-DHEA or whatever you prefer to call it can raise test levels as much as 250-500mg of Testosterone injections per week. It's been shown in the literature. The term DHEA is meaningless and misleading, better to use the proper nomenclature so people know what they are getting.
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    Well, i come back from vacation and i find i've gotten some nice support from a Taurus bro. Thanks Judo, really wasn't looking foreward to typing out a whole slew of facts, you did it for me
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    at least you didn't use the IUPAC nomenclature of (3S,8R,9S,10R,13S,14S)-3-hydroxy-10,13-dimethyl-1,2,3,4,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-dodecahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-one haha.

    but seriously, have you guys been thinking about the other forms of dhea like the ones PP and AMS are utilizing?

    I'll give M1D black a shot... also always been a fan of M1D as a base on other cycles
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    Quote Originally Posted by zb126 View Post
    at least you didn't use the IUPAC nomenclature of (3S,8R,9S,10R,13S,14S)-3-hydroxy-10,13-dimethyl-1,2,3,4,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-dodecahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-one haha.

    but seriously, have you guys been thinking about the other forms of dhea like the ones PP and AMS are utilizing?

    I'll give M1D black a shot... also always been a fan of M1D as a base on other cycles

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    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
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    Quote Originally Posted by LG Sciences View Post
    Hormonal agents are very good at reversing the damage that environmental toxins are doing to your body. If you ask me, everyone should be on something similar to M1D Black to block estrogen and raise the androgenic environment. An AI and 5-DHEA or whatever you prefer to call it can raise test levels as much as 250-500mg of Testosterone injections per week. It's been shown in the literature. The term DHEA is meaningless and misleading, better to use the proper nomenclature so people know what they are getting.
    Lol. So why isn't plain ole DHEA at Walmart super dosed with an AI for epic gains? Do you have any studies to confirm your claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ONtop888 View Post
    Lol. So why isn't plain ole DHEA at Walmart super dosed with an AI for epic gains? Do you have any studies to confirm your claim?
    Because the people buying DHEA at walmart likely have very different goals for taking it. Also, for women, DHEA converts preferably to testosterone IIRC and the AI isn't as necessary as men where the preference is estrongen.

    As far as studies go, are you asking to prove DHEA converts to the other hormones or are you asking about the AI's usage or what exactly are you asking about? All the explanations that Eric wrote in that post long ago regarding the ingredients are pretty well accepted and known...a simple PubMed search can confirm them.

    Also, if you look at the price per mg of the stuff in stores its not really that cheap. Throw in an AI etc and the price would be through the roof. If you are looking for dhea with those extras, then LG's product is pretty competitively priced at online retailers.

    I see it as a matter of weighing out the benefits and possible harm of this type of prohormone vs a designer steorid. Sure the gains aren't as crazy but there are a lot of other factors that go into using something like superdrol or halodrol etc. that don't need to be mitigated with this type of supplement or even the AMS or PP products for the most part. And then there is the legality of the different types... these are DSHEA compliant etc. There are a lot of factors going into why you would use this for a cycle or on a cycle of something else so IMO its not as cut and dry as "Ill only gain 6-9lbs on this so superdrol is better cuz i may gain 20 bro"
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    Let's put it this way. We just finished up 3 logs on bb.com with experienced older lifters. These guys have 10 years under their belts and are in amazing shape. All 3 subjects gained a legit 3-4lbs of LBM off the Trifecta. Yes, 3-4 L B M on an advanced lifter. That is quite amazing considering the legality of our products. Our DHEA ester works, and works well when paired with MMV. M1-D Black will be even better with the addition of a better delivery system, LCLT, and Phellodendron. Our product is in NO WAY comparable to plain old DHEA from Wal Mart. If you believe that, you seriously have a lack of chem understanding. Or you're just an angry troll. Don't like our products? Sorry. Then don't buy it. Those that do take M1-D Black will have positive experiences if they're diet and training are in check. We're not offering Superdrol here, we're offering FDA compliant formulas that will help you attain your goals. Not many other companies can do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xGenericx View Post
    How much of a surpression is there with this? Is there even any?
    Shouldn't be too much. Although if you run 2 bottles at 8 caps a day like i recommend you deffinitely want to take an AI or something like Activate Xtreme or Triazole or T-911 to kick things back in gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xGenericx View Post
    How much of a surpression is there with this? Is there even any?
    possible mild shutdown but this product is not known to cause extrem shutdown.
    I would rec a mild PCT with it. formadrol for eg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zb126 View Post
    Because the people buying DHEA at walmart likely have very different goals for taking it. Also, for women, DHEA converts preferably to testosterone IIRC and the AI isn't as necessary as men where the preference is estrongen.

    As far as studies go, are you asking to prove DHEA converts to the other hormones or are you asking about the AI's usage or what exactly are you asking about? All the explanations that Eric wrote in that post long ago regarding the ingredients are pretty well accepted and known...a simple PubMed search can confirm them.

    Also, if you look at the price per mg of the stuff in stores its not really that cheap. Throw in an AI etc and the price would be through the roof. If you are looking for dhea with those extras, then LG's product is pretty competitively priced at online retailers.

    I see it as a matter of weighing out the benefits and possible harm of this type of prohormone vs a designer steorid. Sure the gains aren't as crazy but there are a lot of other factors that go into using something like superdrol or halodrol etc. that don't need to be mitigated with this type of supplement or even the AMS or PP products for the most part. And then there is the legality of the different types... these are DSHEA compliant etc. There are a lot of factors going into why you would use this for a cycle or on a cycle of something else so IMO its not as cut and dry as "Ill only gain 6-9lbs on this so superdrol is better cuz i may gain 20 bro"
    GREAT post!
    the M1D is nto JUST some DHEA.
    I love it added to my cycles.
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    I cant wait to try the new M1-D Black! I love the old M1-D so will definitely be trying this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    E-fight?



    I apoligize if my post came off in a hostile manner as that was not my intention although your posting seems to be clearly an attack of a supplement in their own sub-forum but regardless that was not my intention so i apologize if you took it that way

    And to address your points..



    So it is okay to use the chemical name of one compound but not another? And this rule is based of your percieved effectiveness of said product?

    Your issue was the chemical name was used (3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One) and not the slang name (DHEA) so my response was do you have the same concern for other prohormones that use the chemical name rather than the proper or slang one?



    M1D is much more than just DHEA.

    The problem with DHEA is that it must undergo two enzymatic conversions to arrive at testosterone and has two chances to aromatize into estrogen during these conversions. This can result in higher estrogen levels and LG has taken this into account and added ingredients along with DHEA in order to channel the conversion to testosterone along with reducing conversion to estrogenic and androgenic metabolites.



    Again prohormones have traditionally always had the chemical name on the label. The proper name of DHEA would have been 5-Dehydroepiandrosterone and this could have been just as confusing as the chemical name. Like I said prior it is well known that M1D contain DHEA and no one from LG tried to hide or deny this so your accusation is really just unfounded.



    I think I explained the estrogen conversion above already. As for the other key ingredients.. I dont know if you noticed but when I quoted the write up I specifically put "see write up on the previous M1D below", note the bold underlined work there?

    In the original post he states that 2-Phenyl-Di-Benzyl-Benzopyran-4-One (which is a 7,8-benz derivative) is the AI used NOT ATD.




    I dont need anyone to buy anything. I have no affliation with LG Science and have no benefit from sales of this product. I was simply checking recent post and your post caught my attention so I responded.

    I understand that you have no interest in this product nor DHEA. However, what I dont understand then is why even comment in the thread? Or attempt to discredit the company and make it seem like they are trying to pull a fast one?
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    Any word if the current formadrol is still good as a PTC for this? Could just take DAA with it too, right?
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    What's supposed to be the major change between this and the old version? Is there a trifecta 2 available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    What's supposed to be the major change between this and the old version? Is there a trifecta 2 available?
    I've answered this and your other questions via PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SynergyIre View Post
    Any word if the current formadrol is still good as a PTC for this? Could just take DAA with it too, right?
    Ya i think FormX will be great for pct actually. With a 3 cap (recommended) dose you get 1.5g of DAA, you could additionally supplement bulk DAA for another 2g for optimal dosing and to better restore HPTA.
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    I am going to be running M1D black with our 5aOHP. Think they are going to work quite well together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus BigK View Post
    I am going to be running M1D black with our 5aOHP. Think they are going to work quite well together.
    This sounds like a good idea
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    i just took a look at the warning just for the fun of it and it says:
    NOT FOR USE BY INDIVIDUALS UNDER THE AGE OF 18. DO NOT USE IF PREGNANT OR NURSING. Not intended for use by persons under 40
    it is the last part i'm a little confused by ??
  

  
 

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