Breaking Up Scar Tissue - Gaston \ ART \ Deep Tissue Massage

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  1. Breaking Up Scar Tissue - Gaston \ ART \ Deep Tissue Massage


    So has anyone tried any of these?
    I try to mash things out on my own, but I was wondering if anyone uses tools or has gone to a "certified" practitioner.
    Was it worth it?
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  2. I would be curious if people knew a few techniques for breaking up scar tissue, i even consider to buy myself a gua sha scraping massage tool. To my experience foam rolling isn't really the most effective thing.

    In the biohacking scene there are even people that use a car polisher to break up scar tissue, never tried it myself so don't know if it will really works.

    Edit: Another weird tool that is being used is the shibari wand. Yes you heard it good, the tool for women is also used to massage the muscles .
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  3. Scar tissue after surgery?

  4. I have got all them done. I truly believe they all work but it can be costly. I personally feel the best thing to invest your money is someone who does very good/aggressive deep tissue and then get a lacrosse ball and a very hard form roller. That will break up most scar tissue etc. if money isn't an issue I recommend them all. They truly open you up, increase flexibility, and I actually did measurements and my arms were bigger, back wider, and chest was wider after. If done right it works well

  5. Ya I saw those massaging tool kits. Not cheap at all. Even China wants close to $100 per tool on Ebay.

    A message therapist at the gym uses that car polisher on people. I've tried it. It's really not strong enough in my opinion. Or maybe she just doesnt press down hard enough but it was more of a current "feel good" result than an actual fix for anything.

    Hmm, just looked into the Shabari wand. Not sure if that will do the trick either. From what I've haerd and read, going in for someone to manually break up your scar tissue is extremely painful. This thing just looks like a sex toy. Haha.

    I'm about to just buy a butter knife and see what it does...
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by santangalo View Post
    Scar tissue after surgery?
    No, just from constant injuries and self rehab.
    Lost range of motion tells me I have a fair amount in certain places.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by fitfreak_CP View Post
    I have got all them done. I truly believe they all work but it can be costly. I personally feel the best thing to invest your money is someone who does very good/aggressive deep tissue and then get a lacrosse ball and a very hard form roller. That will break up most scar tissue etc. if money isn't an issue I recommend them all. They truly open you up, increase flexibility, and I actually did measurements and my arms were bigger, back wider, and chest was wider after. If done right it works well
    .

    That totally reminds me, I forgot to order a lacrosse ball. Was meaning to get one for a while.
    Thanks!
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  8. A butter knife would be similar to scraping or not? Have heard about the butter knife for the ankles but would be usefull for more places as well?
    Shabari wand should be very intense and tim ferriss recommends it, i might try it anywhere in the future. And it actually is haha, that's why it was a weird tool to use for this!

    Cupping could also be very usefull for breaking up scar tissue if you use the sliding technique, my cupping set will come anywhere next week so will give an update on my expierence with it!

  9. So i am trying scraping since you mentioned it .

    I really notice that the spots where i have/had triggerpoints (i know due to dry-needling) are the spots where i get the red dots (what should mean theres a lot of scar tissue). First time i only scraped my latissimus dorsi on both sides and these got a lot of red dots, today i did it again and no red dots at all only a little redness that faded within a couple of minutes.

    I also scraped my back of my shoulder, trapezius and chest since this where some spots for me to pay attention to, they all got red dots.
    With the chest i did a mobility test with overhead range of motion and it increased after scraping (might be myself tricking myself but it is what i think right now).

    Will give a update if it really helps!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mudita View Post
    So i am trying scraping since you mentioned it .
    Did you put up the money for the proper tool or are you using a butter knife?

    I haven't tried it yet. I am getting my spa repaired right now. Should be up and running in 2 weeks. My plan is to sit there and get my body warm for about 15 minutes, then go to town with my butter knife. Haha.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    Did you put up the money for the proper tool or are you using a butter knife?

    I haven't tried it yet. I am getting my spa repaired right now. Should be up and running in 2 weeks. My plan is to sit there and get my body warm for about 15 minutes, then go to town with my butter knife. Haha.
    I am using a butter knife, at first when i got to know scraping i wanted to buy a tool. But after all the butter knife is even more convenient then a tool lol, because i need to use it on myself it is pretty handy since it has a handle and you can get at your own back like that.

    I would really love to have my own spa. Hot tub with magnesium salts and a infrared sauna in my own house would be dope (L).

    I use baby or massage oil and then i go scraping otherwise it will be too rough, especially on hairy places. You donīt even have to push hard so thats why it feels like it is really working, how the **** would there get such bruising without even pushing hard :P.

  12. I ordered a hard foam roller off amazon and it came with a ball similar to a lacrosse ball and another one that became a dog toy hahah

  13. I'm glad I read this. Never heard of a butter knife for scraping. Might need to google that.

    I had cervical fusion 4 years ago and 2 months after got hit head on by a drunk driver. I could never get the pain under control and got addicted to OxyContin and over came that. I've had epidural,nerve blocks, radio frequency. Had a nuerostimulator install 1 1/2 years ago. 6 months ago my legs stopped working after every test possible they needed to do an mri to figure out surgery option they pulled the stimulator out. Now this is a month ago. I said screw it and not dealing with the downward spiral of the crap I been dealing with I found a physical therapist that is awesome. Found most of my core muscles and other major muscles have stopped working. Anyways after years off from training and lost of 25 pounds of muscle replaced with 30 pounds of fat I'm optimistic and determine to get back to pre-neck surgery shape.

    That being said I have scar tissue all up my spine and lower back from my stimulater. I had the scraping done a little and everything on my back felt like hard gravel. I wanted to see if you guys have any other recommendation to get rid of the scar tissue and to even loosen up my back muscle? I'm going to try the butter knife method also after I use the googler to check it out.

    Sorry for long story but find it important.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by witt51 View Post
    I wanted to see if you guys have any other recommendation to get rid of the scar tissue and to even loosen up my back muscle?
    I don't have back pains but someone I train with does and he says he breaks up by sitting in a spa with a jet on his back for about 15 minutes. Then gets out and uses this long stick with rolling beads on it. Lays it on the ground and then rolls back and forth just grinding it out. He doesnt have anyone to help him so he has to do it this way himself. Works. He can train, but then he just re-injures himself and has this what seems to be a never ending cycle of back pain. Looks sort of like this, except the middle parts actually spin on the stick. Name:  muscle-roller-1.jpg
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    I don't have back pains but someone I train with does and he says he breaks up by sitting in a spa with a jet on his back for about 15 minutes. Then gets out and uses this long stick with rolling beads on it. Lays it on the ground and then rolls back and forth just grinding it out. He doesnt have anyone to help him so he has to do it this way himself. Works. He can train, but then he just re-injures himself and has this what seems to be a never ending cycle of back pain. Looks sort of like this, except the middle parts actually spin on the stick. Name:  muscle-roller-1.jpg
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    I will give one of those a try. I have like brick back from so much guarding. I lay on a cue ball and roll up and down my spine to loosen it up then do an inversion table for 15 minutes. I do have a nerve problem at l2-l3 so that seems to help. I'm so tempted to say "f**k it" and just got workout. Like your friend I'm sure it will be a never ending problem. I will take any advice and recommendations. Is that something you get from Amazon or at Walmart?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by CCV3 View Post
    So has anyone tried any of these?
    I try to mash things out on my own, but I was wondering if anyone uses tools or has gone to a "certified" practitioner.
    Was it worth it?
    Yes Tried active release ART and it helped a lot since 2009. tennis ball, lacrosse ball, foam rollers, physical therapy .
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Yes Tried active release ART and it helped a lot since 2009. tennis ball, lacrosse ball, foam rollers, physical therapy .
    Is that what worked the best? My PT does something like that but probably not as intense. Is it the same as myofascial release

  18. Quote Originally Posted by witt51 View Post
    Is that what worked the best? My PT does something like that but probably not as intense. Is it the same as myofascial release
    You have to find a good ART therapist. there are two brothers in memphis , germantown Tn to be exact. One brother didnt help me, the other did. Find one that you trust. Yes ART helped me the most and got a major injurt better, two actually. the first was elbow, the second shoulder
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by witt51 View Post
    Is that something you get from Amazon or at Walmart?
    I wanted to try it for myself so I bought one on Ebay for $10
    Not in yet, but I will let you guys know how it goes...
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  20. I've been doing Graston style treatments on myself for a few years, and it's incredibly effective at helping to reduce scar tissue and other adhesions. I had a number of Grason treatments done professionally, and found it to be super effective so I was wondering about performing it on myself. I ended up purchasing a Starr tool, as the butter knife I was using initially wasn't as effective as I hoped for.

    http://www.starrtool.com/OrderSingle...minumTool.html

    I just lubricate the area to be treated with vaseline petroleum jelly (trust me, make sure the area is sufficiently lubricated or you'll have a fresh skin wound to deal with) and run the tool back and forth over the area to be treated. When you find damaged tissue you'll feel a distinct scraping/gravelly sensation through the tool. In injured areas for myself I get distinct bruising over the treated area, which typically goes away in a few days. If I really go at the treatment with higher pressure there is some localized inflammation which I find leads to some stiffness, but sometimes I find this to me more effective than a gentler treatment. I just take it easy on the affected area for a few days if I end up with joint stiffness. I typically do 2 treatments a week or so in order to let the area fully heal up before hitting it with another treatment.

    I've used this in a large number of areas, including traps, shoulders, side of neck, thumbs, elbows, forearms, wrists, thighs and obliques. The first few times you treat an area tend to be the most painful, and this pain tends to diminish with subsequent treatments.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by fitfreak_CP View Post
    I have got all them done. I truly believe they all work but it can be costly. I personally feel the best thing to invest your money is someone who does very good/aggressive deep tissue and then get a lacrosse ball and a very hard form roller. That will break up most scar tissue etc. if money isn't an issue I recommend them all. They truly open you up, increase flexibility, and I actually did measurements and my arms were bigger, back wider, and chest was wider after. If done right it works well
    Nice post. Yes, this is probably best to find a good deep tissue massager , that does myofascial work. Sometimes the ART therapist would spend 10 minutes on me for 50$ plus I was driving two hours one way because that was the only ART therapist around.
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  22. I just went to a chiropractor who does ART and a bunch of other things and figured out my shoulder might not even be torn. Something about limited thoracic extension and weak serratus anterior causing winging of the scapula and limiting my lateral arm raise with lots of scar tissue. I've seen 2 orthos who both suspected a tear but weren't sure and there only answer was to go in and look around. After my appointment with the chiropractor my range of motion improved about 50% with one appointment. I'm hopeful again I won't need surgery. ART hurts like hell though and sure feels like he's gonna tear something.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachineX View Post
    I just went to a chiropractor who does ART and a bunch of other things and figured out my shoulder might not even be torn. Something about limited thoracic extension and weak serratus anterior causing winging of the scapula and limiting my lateral arm raise with lots of scar tissue. I've seen 2 orthos who both suspected a tear but weren't sure and there only answer was to go in and look around. After my appointment with the chiropractor my range of motion improved about 50% with one appointment. I'm hopeful again I won't need surgery. ART hurts like hell though and sure feels like he's gonna tear something.
    Congrats on the successful treatment. Definitely stick with it, the treatments should get less painful over time as there is less scar tissue to break up.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by max silver View Post
    Congrats on the successful treatment. Definitely stick with it, the treatments should get less painful over time as there is less scar tissue to break up.
    It's weird though; as of today I've lost the ROM I gained the other day and it hurts quite a bit. I don't know if that's normal or
    or part of the healing process.

  25. Greenmachine I recommend a shoulder horn and rotator exercises before every workout where you use the rotators
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