Suggestions for maintaining chest with rotator injury???

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Jebrook View Post
    Naw this is good real life info @Sparkss and what I'm looking for. That does make me apprehensive because I've had pain for 2 years honestly and just stubbornly trained around it. Still, fingers crossed for a minor injury and good prognosis. Time will tell.
    Keeping my fingers crossed for you that it is a simple impingement that the surgeon can resolve while he is in there with the scope. Mine was the result of an accident (fell down a full flight of stairs) and I took a ton more damage than just my rotator, so take my experiences with a double dose of that grain of salt . Plus, the younger you are the faster/better you will recover and respond to the surgery.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/281831-sparkss-journey-recovery.html


  2. @Jebrook My 2 cents.
    Been in this boat for at least 6 months. I had to try different exercises and it has gotten a better over time. Very slow progress and a he ll of alot of patience heart ache and saying I cant do that either. and the Weight has to stay down and the reps up. started with like 20-25 reps and now I'm at 12-14. very slow progress.

    Google Jeff Cavaliere and Shoulder injuries he seems to know his stuff and has helped me get back to working shoulders and chest.. I posted some links some were for Hairy grandpa. might search Jeff Cavaliere on AM.
    here is what I have been doing for the past 5 weeks. hope this helps.

    Shoulders:
    Bent over Lat raises with Cable. (do them Like Cavaliere says)
    Standing Lat raises with cable (" " " " )
    Single Arm Landmine Presses. Take the elbow as deep as the pain will allow.

    Chest:
    Hammer strength decline. (Make sure the elbows dont go below horizontal) this seems to help with almost all Shoulder and chest exercises.

    Pec Dek machine. believe or not. try the seat at different heights.

    Standing slightly bent over cable presses. (Make sure the thumbs are up and the stretch is what you can handle) experiment with different angles. I'm on this for like 15 min. I know it has to piss some people off at the gym. (they hardly ask to work in so screw them)
    We have a chest press machine at the gym that you can push the starting point out to where my hands are not pressed into my chest to start.
    Hard to explain. I can start the press with my hands out in front so my elbows are not too far back.(this does suck because I still have to go like really light or it hurts. Like 35 reps. I use it as a finisher.
    Please feel free to ask any questions. Here to try to help! I feel your pain brother.

    I have posted a Pick of how lopsided i have got since my left shoulder has been jacked.
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  3. I second the Jeff C. advice. He has some great suggestions for "safe" and overall "better" exercises for shoulder health.


    My shoulder looks like that, but mainly because of the loss of ROM (and limited scapula movement).
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/281831-sparkss-journey-recovery.html

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ryane87 View Post
    thanks Ryane87 @Jebrook yes rehab 3 times a week is what I do. Got to make time for the rehab. I do it at the end of my workout since I have the blood flowing and more range of motion. make sure you do them correct and progress with more sets over time & take it slow to start out. (if you are not already doing them)
    I went balls to the walls (like 15 min.) with them to start out and I think the inflammation got so bad it made it worse.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by BloodManor View Post
    Rest is the key with any injury. Also dosing ostarine at 25mg a day healed my nagging shoulder injury. Not healed 100% but 90% better.
    so the ostarine helped that much? all natty but might have to take a shot at it.
    Can you tell me how you cycled ostarine ?
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  6. I'm gonna run a cycle in the spring focused not only on building mass and cutting but also fixing my god damn shoulders. Not sure what I'm going to run, probably deca and some peptides I've looked into slightly

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ChocolateClen View Post
    I'm gonna run a cycle in the spring focused not only on building mass and cutting but also fixing my god damn shoulders. Not sure what I'm going to run, probably deca and some peptides I've looked into slightly
    I've heard D-bol is good for the Joints? However dont think you are going to cut on that.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by ChocolateClen View Post
    I'm gonna run a cycle in the spring focused not only on building mass and cutting but also fixing my god damn shoulders. Not sure what I'm going to run, probably deca and some peptides I've looked into slightly
    @BloodManor said the Mk-2866 really help him. might be worth looking into it. When i get some time I think I might.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    @BloodManor said the Mk-2866 really help him. might be worth looking into it. When i get some time I think I might.
    I heard something like 157 was good? Idk I honestly haven't looked much in to it cause I'm on a cycle now and I've heard it's a bad habit to plan your next cycle while you're still on one.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    I've heard D-bol is good for the Joints? However dont think you are going to cut on that.
    Deca is famous for being joint friendly. Just be careful not to mask the pain and cause further injury.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by ChocolateClen View Post
    I heard something like 157 was good? Idk I honestly haven't looked much in to it cause I'm on a cycle now and I've heard it's a bad habit to plan your next cycle while you're still on one.
    157 is some kind of a Peptide that HGP has been using for his bad shoulder. I think he said TB-500 helped more but dont quote me on that one.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    157 is some kind of a Peptide that HGP has been using for his bad shoulder. I think he said TB-500 helped more but dont quote me on that one.
    Yeah if I recall correctly but I'm not entirely sure. I have to look in to this stuff more

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    157 is some kind of a Peptide that HGP has been using for his bad shoulder. I think he said TB-500 helped more but dont quote me on that one.
    BPC-157(Body Protecting Compound). I used 500 mg daily for two weeks about a month ago. I felt quick improvement and pushed harder. Likely this exacerbated my injury. It made my shoulder "feel" better at the time but wasn't enough to heal it fully. I do think it's a great product to use for many benefits though, plus it's relatively dirt cheap. My elbows and knees felt better than they ever had while on it and still do.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by Sparkss View Post
    Keeping my fingers crossed for you that it is a simple impingement that the surgeon can resolve while he is in there with the scope. Mine was the result of an accident (fell down a full flight of stairs) and I took a ton more damage than just my rotator, so take my experiences with a double dose of that grain of salt . Plus, the younger you are the faster/better you will recover and respond to the surgery.
    Lol. I'm belong in the 35 and older forum. I'm only out on furlough. I'm 38!
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Jebrook View Post
    Lol. I'm belong in the 35 and older forum. I'm only out on furlough. I'm 38!
    I was 46 when I first injured mine, 47 by the time surgery/PT was done. So you are well ahead of the curve
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/281831-sparkss-journey-recovery.html

  17. Good news guys. The scope will be done next Tuesday. I spoke to the surgeon and he's pretty confident that the damage is moderate to minor. He estimated about 10% chance of catastrophic injury. Still, with my luck, I'm very nervous. I'll keep you guys posted.
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  18. Nice! Definitely update us.

  19. I had my left shoulder operated on as a teenager because I dislocated 13 times. I have about 75% use of my shoulder. I was using bad form on the bench press and over head press and tore it up pretty good.

    After surgery I made many mistakes and learned from them. Here is what I do now to avoid pain.

    All of my pushing exercises are in the neutral grip.
    I will usually do two body weight exercises at the end of every workout.
    On pushing days I like to do dips and pushup/flys on gymnastic rings.

    It is simple and it works for me.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Jebrook View Post
    Good news guys. The scope will be done next Tuesday. I spoke to the surgeon and he's pretty confident that the damage is moderate to minor. He estimated about 10% chance of catastrophic injury. Still, with my luck, I'm very nervous. I'll keep you guys posted.
    Good news. I dont even want to see what a Dr. would say. I couldn't handle the truth. plus it is sloooooowly getting better. I've been using Invictus for about 2 weeks and I think its speeding up the healing. Hope its not in my mind. Just got some ANDROCRINE TD. got a good deal. going to start using it after my Invictus runs out. I like the Iron Legion TD stuff, dont have to use so much.

    Does OL have anything like this? I love the OL stuff I have used in the past.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Studhorse View Post
    Good news. I dont even want to see what a Dr. would say. I couldn't handle the truth. plus it is sloooooowly getting better. I've been using Invictus for about 2 weeks and I think its speeding up the healing. Hope its not in my mind. Just got some ANDROCRINE TD. got a good deal. going to start using it after my Invictus runs out. I like the Iron Legion TD stuff, dont have to use so much.

    Does OL have anything like this? I love the OL stuff I have used in the past.
    If you're referring to invictus we don't have a solo cortisol control product ATM. We do have Sup3r 11 which reduces cortisol but it's not natty. We also have a Laxogenin supp in both oral and transdermal.
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  22. Other than some minor niggles in the shoulder area that went away after skipping a session or two - I have no experience in this area. The only thing I can add, is if you can do the movements *at all* with a light weight - Schoenfeld has shown hypertrophy even with reps in the 20-25 range IIRC.

  23. Sorry to hear about your shoulder, man. The surgeons I work with typically say around 16 weeks recovery if there is a cuff tear. Closer to 6 months before decent lifting unfortunately. Just the acromioplasty cuts that time in about half. I highly recommend making sure your surgeon intends to repair the cuff arthroscopically if they find a tear. Not all ortho surgeons do rotator cuff repairs arthroscopically (and there can be extenuating circumstances where they just can't for certain tears). There is less muscle dissection, and quicker recovery if they don't have to use an open approach, not to mention much smaller scars.

    I've had shoulder issues for years as a result of an old mountain biking injury. I have impingement, but have been able to avoid surgery thus far. I don't barbell bench anymore. Haven't for 10 years. Strictly dumbbell bench, cable cross overs and occasionally floor press. I also have to be careful on bench angle for inclines (needs to be below 30 degrees for me). This has allowed me to work around my shoulder issues fairly well, and I personally think you get a better response from dumbbells anyway (minus the part where you get to compare bench press numbers with everyone &#128518. I've also had good results from a quality joint support. Cissus, turmeric, fish oil and flexatril have all done wonders (though I'm pretty sure you have the supplement side handled).

  24. @Jebrook I'm not sure about recovering from a scope, but I had a SLAP repair, bicep tenodesis and had my bursa removed. I used TB-500 (5mg/week) and it helped me speed through recovery, and helped a lot with pain, muscle spasms and adhesions. I went to PT 3-4 days per week. I believe a friend of mine just had a scope and cleanup done and it didn't take too long to recover, maybe a couple months? My ROM recovered within 1 month, total recovery in about 3-4 months. I wasn't very aggressive though as it was a pretty major surgery for myself, so I stuck to bands and dumb bells for a while before benching and pressing again.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Jebrook View Post
    If you're referring to invictus we don't have a solo cortisol control product ATM. We do have Sup3r 11 which reduces cortisol but it's not natty. We also have a Laxogenin supp in both oral and transdermal.
    thanks for the info brother. I will look into the Laxogenin.
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