broken radius and ulna - in the middle of a cycle of test & anavar

[wormwood]

broke radius and ulna last night and looking at a long recovery

was taking 1g per week test cyp and 40mg/day anavar

thinking of lowering test to 600 and going back on growth - run up to 5iu/day and vit D 5000iu/day

any experience or thoughts?

 

[Killcure666]

Ouch, sorry to hear that man. How did you break your radius and ulna?

I think your plan of dropping the dosages will be good. Your focus should switch from building to simply maintaining what you have and continuing your cycle at a lower dose should help mitigate atrophy.

 

[wormwood]

I honestly dont remember what happened i know i was at an octoberfest party and the next thing i know im waking up in the hospital.

So far ive dropped dose of test to 600mg/week. I just got home from hospital yesterday. i did 1 unit of growth yesterday and 1 this morning. I'm going to ramp that up very slowly since im still very swollen and i need to be able to write and type asap i dont want any gh induced swelling to aggravate that.

Also taking 10,000 iu of vit d3 in two divided doses. going to get some Vit C and i think ill take a few grams per day of that whenever i can find some without magnesium stearate.

still taking oxandrolone at 40mg per day.

Hoping i can come off this oxycodone soon - im not a fan of that at all.

Im not in a cast they put in two plates and 17 screws so this ace wrap is supposed to come off in 2 weeks. of course this happened as im getting ready for biochem, cell bio, and endocrinology midterms... ****ing great timing...

i was able to type about half of this with both hands though so thats promising.

 

[wormwood]

Alright so one week later and I am back and typing pretty well now I took off my bandages to discover about 35-40 staples holding everything together and swelling has reduced immensely. I was able to write some notes today that was nice. Getting better slowly but surely. I've been off painkillers for 3 days now don't even need them to sleep which is awesome. Was running gh starting at 0.8 units and bumped up to 1.6iu two days ago feeling good for the most part a little tenderness here and there and the top of my hand is numb still but I'm def on the up and up. Staying at 1.6iu through the end of this week and going up to 2.4iu next week. Will hold that steady for 2 weeks and see what the doc says when I go for my first follow up. Going to try to get into the gym at some point this week to do some cardio and abs and legs at the very least. I'll try to keep us updated as best as I can and let you guys know how it goes

 

[wormwood]

2 weeks post op as of today.

My daily non-training use of my injured arm/hand is almost fully restored. I'm still avoiding lifting anything more than 10 lbs with it but everything else seems to be going okay.

I thought that the numbness in my hand would dissipate as the swelling went down but I do apparently have some radial nerve damage. Still numb across the top of my hand - especially in my thumb. oddly enough my pointer, middle, ring, and pinky fingers are fine and I have feeling without any problems there.

I'm at 2 iu/day on the gh right now and will likely stay here for the remainder of the week. At least until I get my staples taken out in 2 days. At that point I will have a chance to pick my surgeon's brain on the use of gh and growth factors to increase rate of healing and improving my prospects for returning full feeling in my hand as the nerve damage is severe enough that I believe it warrants it's use there. I'm really hoping he'll be on board with me there. Oddly enough I think my insurance would actually cover it so let's hope I can put up a convincing argument.

The research on it seems pretty solid. I found a particular study involving the nerve growth for the ulna in rats that showed not just significant, but remarkable improvement in length and amplitude and more than one study debating it's use as a standard treatment in the use of speeding the rate of healing in fractures in general.

atrophy is beginning to become apparent in my right arm which is really saddening. I know this is unavoidable to some extent but its still not fun to step on the scale and notice i've lost 15-20 lbs. I'm trying as best as I can to eat clean throughout this ordeal so I don't take on any adipose gains.

I will try to update this again after getting my staples taken out in a few days.

 

[wormwood]

Alright well after several meetings with the surgeon and a few x-rays it appears there was a lot of bone loss and my ulna is taking its sweet time to heal. The radius is doing quite well and is well on its way to looking normal but there is still a gap in the midshaft of my ulna. At this point it is considered a non-union or delayed union fracture. The gh I had left didn't last long so that has ceased and I don't see myself being in the financial position to get more any time soon. I am however still running test 400mg/wk, Anavar 40mg/day and deca at 400mg/wk. For the last 3 weeks I've been using an exogen ultrasound bone stimulator as well. I've noticed that the pain reduced considerably when I introduced the deca and 2 months ago and the combined effort with the bone stim seems to be improving the load bearing capacity of my arm. I am able to push in an axial manner without any real difficulty but I cannot do any curl motion until I know for sure that the ulna has made considerable progress. Any of you guys have any experience with anything like this? Any input, experiences, or suggestions are welcome. I have ballooned up like a whale and am eager to get back to my normal routine of heavy free weights without any restrictions or limitations

 

[hazard12]

Id suggest cissus and healing peptides (TB-500 and BPC-157). You wont regret starting any of these, I guarantee.

 

[hazard12]

Also, if you can get EQ, id add it at 300mg/week for collagen synthesis. High dose vitamin C for the same reason. Hydrolized collagen peptides should help rebuild. Take a look at my log, I am currently healing my connective tissue/muscles from an injury and I am using just about everything that helps repair. You can probably get some good ideas from it: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/290016-return-dead-undetermined.html

 

[celc5]

Edit: whoa wait a second. Surgery last October and u still dont have bone union? Am I reading this right?

 

[wormwood]

Edit: whoa wait a second. Surgery last October and u still dont have bone union? Am I reading this right?

Yes that is correct. The ulna fracture was open and there was some bone loss. I have metal plates on both radius and ulna holding everything together.

 

[wormwood]

Also, if you can get EQ, id add it at 300mg/week for collagen synthesis. High dose vitamin C for the same reason. Hydrolized collagen peptides should help rebuild. Take a look at my log, I am currently healing my connective tissue/muscles from an injury and I am using just about everything that helps repair. You can probably get some good ideas from it: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/290016-return-dead-undetermined.html

I will have to look into eq for collagen synthesis. I came across fantastic data supporting the use of nandrolone for non-union fractures based on studies done in rabbit tibial fractures. I have never used eq before - I thought part of the mechanism for nandrolone's effect on bone was through increased collagen synthesis so it seems like it may be over kill to add another compound - I'll have to read through the study again.

Thanks for the input fellas.

 

[wormwood]

Also, if this protocol with the bone-stim doesn't work well enough - I plan to meet with a regenerative orthopedic specialist to see if stem cell therapy in the Cayman Islands would be a viable option to increase the rate of healing in that area. There is also a method where the stem cells are harvested and injected the same day without the culture to increase cell count and this practice is allowable in the states. It's a pity the oligarchs at the FDA keep such advanced treatments like this away from the general public.

 

[Tearbear]

Casts are old school. Doctors often try to use plates when possible. I know someone that recently broke their wrist. You must have really jacked that thing up from the sound of it.