Dat's - CJC-1295 & GHRP-6 (Basic Guides)

SoCo4Fun · 08-05-2008, 05:24 PM

Thanks dat!!!

Distilled Water · 08-05-2008, 05:52 PM

So if one were to "Blast" with CJC @ 2mg/week would it best just do EOD dosing of 500mcg? That would keep levels higher and would be pretty easy to dose. Then the GHRP-6 at 400mcg/day?

datBtrue · 08-05-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Distilled Water

So if one were to "Blast" with CJC @ 2mg/week would it best just do EOD dosing of 500mcg? That would keep levels higher and would be pretty easy to dose. Then the GHRP-6 at 400mcg/day?

You have several proven concepts to marry into a postulation.

First CJC-1295 is a long-lasting analog of GHRH and therefore only twice a week dosing is needed to keep GH levels elevated.

Second GHRP-6 (all the GHRPs) as soon as they are injected create a 2 hour pulse of GH release.

Third administering both GHRP-6 (or any GHRP) and GHRH together synegistically increases that newly created pulse. Ghrp-6 creates a big pulse of GH but GHRP-6 + GHRH creates a much bigger pulse of GH.

It is a waste of potential GH release not to dose the CJC-1295 (long lasting GHRH) at the same time as the GHRP-6.

How much of a waste? It could very well be just a small waste because CJC-1295 is floating around all the time and so in effect when ever you dose GHRP-6 by itself the two compounds (GHRH & GHRP-6) are present together.

But look at the CJC-1295 release curve. Initially it looks just like the GHRH release curve. Both rise quickly in the first 5 minutes of administration before settling down.

So I posit that there WILL be benefit & synergy from dosing the two at the same time.

For convenience sake twice a week CJC-1295 administration is probably all you need. But I prefer:

100mcg of CJC-1295 + 100 - 200 mcg GHRP-6 three times a day. This has the effect of building up total levels AND according to my posit further amplifying GHRP-6's pulse everytime.

Distilled Water · 08-05-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by datBtrue

You have several proven concepts to marry into a posit.

First CJC-1295 is a long-lasting analog of GHRH and therefore only twice a week dosing is needed to keep GH levels elevated.

Second GHRP-6 (all the GHRPs) as soon as they are injected create a 2 hour pulse of GH release.

Third administering both GHRP-6 (or any GHRP) and GHRH together synegistically increases that newly created pulse. Ghrp-6 creates a big pulse of GH but GHRP-6 + GHRH creates a much bigger pulse of GH.

It is a waste of potential GH release not to dose the CJC-1295 (long lasting GHRH) at the same time as the GHRP-6.

How much of a waste? It could very well be just a small waste because CJC-1295 is floating around all the time and so in effect when ever you dose GHRP-6 by itself the two compounds (GHRH & GHRP-6) are present together.

But look at the CJC-1295 release curve. Initially it looks just like the GHRH release curve. Both rise quickly in the first 5 minutes of administration before settling down.

So I posit that there WILL be benefit & synergy from dosing the two at the same time.

For convenience sake twice a week CJC-1295 administration is probably all you need.

I'm sorry, my wording was wrong. I ment administer the 2 together. I was using "then" and should have worded it "along with". I'm 100% on board with your using both together.

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Originally Posted by datBtrue

100mcg of CJC-1295 + 100 - 200 mcg GHRP-6 three times a day. This has the effect of building up total levels AND according to my posit further amplifying GHRP-6's pulse everytime.

That would yeild 2100mcg (2.1mg) of CJC/week and also, if it were me, 2800mcg (2.8mg) of GHRP-6/week. With as you've stated earleir optimal times would be morning, post workout and pre-bed. Only having to wait ~30min to eat and the less fat the better.

This would create the highest levels for this "burst". Then as a "cruise" (prior and post) of 100mcg CJC dosed pre-bed along side GHRP-6.

Sounds like all one would need during the "blast" is say 10-20mcg of igf-lr3 with that morning and post workout dose of CJC/GHRP-6 to make for some scary gains and big eating.

**Mach .78** · 08-05-2008, 07:04 PM

Still loving this thread...

Ok, I'm going to refrain from continuous stimulation of my central nervous system. Check. I'm just stimulated by all of this great testing and info! Thanks

datBtrue · 08-05-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Distilled Water

...Sounds like all one would need during the "blast" is say 10-20mcg of igf-lr3 with that morning and post workout dose of CJC/GHRP-6 to make for some scary gains and big eating.

The elevated GH levels will induce IGF-1 synthesis in the liver. I think during that blast you'll have all the IGF-1 you'll need. No need to add IGF-1 in fact it could be inhibitory.

Better to use 4iu of Hum-R in the morning & 4iu of Hum-R PWO...much much much better indeed. (Of course one needs AAS) A spot of T3 wouldn't hurt and yes eat a lot for sure.

Distilled Water · 08-05-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by datBtrue

The elevated GH levels will induce IGF-1 synthesis in the liver. I think during that blast you'll have all the IGF-1 you'll need. No need to add IGF-1 in fact it could be inhibitory.

Better to use 4iu of Hum-R in the morning & 4iu of Hum-R PWO...much much much better indeed. (Of course one needs AAS) A spot of T3 wouldn't hurt and yes eat a lot for sure.

Yea I guess there is some deregulateing with IGF use....from your literature and thinking about it more it could be conterproductive. Yea a nice dose of T3 at say 12.5mg or so should add nicely.

datBtrue · 08-05-2008, 09:31 PM

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Yea I guess there is some deregulateing with IGF use....from your literature and thinking about it more it could be conterproductive. Yea a nice dose of T3 at say 12.5mg or so should add nicely.

IGF-1 as it rises feeds back and sends a negative or inhibiting GH release signal. This is important because we are relying on the body's own machinary to create GH for us.

This is unlike the situation where you inject GH. In that case you don't care that the body stops production because you are the one providing the target hormone... not your body.

T3 could be dosed higher. I'm experimenting with a high dose at the moment.

SoCo4Fun · 08-05-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by datBtrue

IGF-1 as it rises feeds back and sends a negative or inhibiting GH release signal. This is important because we are relying on the body's own machinary to create GH for us.

This is unlike the situation where you inject GH. In that case you don't care that the body stops production because you are the one providing the target hormone... not your body.

T3 could be dosed higher. I'm experimenting with a high dose at the moment.

High dose like 50mcgs or high dose like 100mcgs? For me personally (and I've "experimented" extensively with T-3) 50mcgs would be awesome during the blast session...hmmmm...I may just throw that in...

ozarkaBRAND · 08-05-2008, 11:11 PM

So, IGF-1 use while using ghrp-6 is without doubt a not-so-prudent idea?

I had planned on doing this in the future, and doing so like this:
IGF1 - 40mcg bilaterally 3 days per week
Ghrp6 - 200mcg daily, 1 pre-workout (or pre breakfast?), 1 pre-bed

datBtrue · 08-06-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun

High dose like 50mcgs or high dose like 100mcgs? For me personally (and I've "experimented" extensively with T-3) 50mcgs would be awesome during the blast session...hmmmm...I may just throw that in...

I've been using 100mcg for the last two weeks. It seems to really work well. I am dropping the dose down to 50mcg tomorrow and will make a subjective comparison.

Its not clear exactly what benefit or liability T3 will cause. Here is a snippet from

Amino Acids and Proteins for the Athlete By Mauro G. Di Pasquale which I do not yet own in hard cover.

...so there is no clear answer. I know it is additively anabolic... but is 100mcg too high? How about 50mcg?

datBtrue · 08-06-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND

So, IGF-1 use while using ghrp-6 is without doubt a not-so-prudent idea?

I had planned on doing this in the future, and doing so like this:
IGF1 - 40mcg bilaterally 3 days per week
Ghrp6 - 200mcg daily, 1 pre-workout (or pre breakfast?), 1 pre-bed

Try it. Actually it might work well. GHRP-6 is only busy for a few hours and GHRP-6 only elevates IGF-1 intermittently unlike CJC. So you could probably benefit from administering IGF-1 in that instance because the GHRP-6 by itself won't get those IGF-1 levels elevated chronically which is also needed for growth.

Plus GHRP-6 acts through several mechanisms a few of which may counter IGF-1 inhibition. This contrasts with GHRH (CJC).

So try it bro. I actually like your plan.