So i was thinking that one could use a tapered dose of CJC-1295 in conjunction with something like Powerfull to restore natural HGH levels quickly after a lengthy HGH cycle.
maybe some nice doses of arginine,GABA,GHB,Clonidine or even L-dopa(if you are brave enough=I am) will help here.
This is a good line of thinking, Pumbertot.
I was also thinking about what compounds may help the hypothalamus end start to produce endogenous GHRH in this scenario as the pituitary recovery is totally covered by CJC.
Basically any compound that works on the pituitary would not be needed here as CJC is perfectly fine for getting the pituitary going since CJC is basically the natural hormone somatotrophs expect to be agonised by. Not to say you couldn't use a different pituitary stimulating compound in place of CJC, I just think CJC is better at doing this job without stimulating additional unecessary pitutary trophs (corticotrophs and lactotrophs).
AFAIK GABA/GABOB/GHB/L-Dopa will stimulate the pituitary (somatotrophs, corticotrophs, and lactotrophs), not the hypothalmus directly.
Clonidine will only work against reducing somatostatin tone, and not do anything to agonise the hypothalmus into producing GHRH.
Note: I do not beleive that the suppressive effects of GH are as great on the Hypo/Pit axis as compared to HPTA suppression due to gear, thus recovery would be milder and less prone to side effects in the transition phase.
CJC and other pituitary stimulating compounds will only help speed up the recovery process regardless of whether the hypothalmus will still need its own recovery time in the interim.
I did not proofread my original post and wanted to clarify a certain sentence below. I did not mean to include the line in bold as I was thinking about exogenous GH suppression of both the pituitary and hypothalamus. The instance below is just regarding exogenous GHRH suppression of the hypothalmus, NOT the pituitary. Obviously GHRH will be stimulating the pituitary at that time
Basically while on exogenous GHRH (CJC) the hypothalamus will most likely be suppressed as well as the pituitary(I am speculating) and not produce its own GHRH at normal levels
so isnt there anything we can use to stimluate the hypothalamus?
- Forms of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) By Alan P. Mintz, M.D., CEO, CMO and the Cenegenics Medical Institute Physicians
Forms of Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
sorry old post but after reading many threads I'm confused.. if igf1, which has a long half life, is suppressive in terms of GH production, how is it possible to not have a negative feedback injecting exogenous GH in the morning?
What type of hgh dosage requires pct? Are you running a long and high dosage cycle? I am currently about 8 months into a 2IU ED 5/2 split of hgh, is it recommended to stop and start again later to reduce suppression? I am noticing a bit of loss of libido, so am curious to see the effects others have seen from long hgh cycles.
Any guidance you all could provide would be greatly appreciated.
Originally Posted by anaboller
Bump for the question about PCT, still don't understand if at low dosage(how much?) there is any suppression...
@ anaboller, are gains in streanght remarkable on that dosage? Also do you notice any improvements in tendons and joint streanght?
I've really struggled to find information on longterm hgh supplementation. I've heard from some in the anti-aging community that they've ran hgh for years without issues, and am thinking that at low doses (like mine - 2IU 5 on/2 off) that it doesn't need to be cycled off. I am planning on taking a break nevertheless in the new year to be safe.
Regarding results, I play quite a few sports and have noticed my ligaments/tendons are injury prone in general. I'll typically have one mild sprain or injury per year that takes me out of commission for a week or two. This year with hgh supplementation I've been able to train through any sprain I had which isn't something I'd normally be able to do. Strength, even though I haven't concentrated and dedicated myself as much as I should, has consistently increased nevertheless. I am still hitting all my 1RMs even in exercises I haven't done for months. I am also faster and more explosive, which is a plus for me as well, and somewhat leaner with no drastic changes to diet (actually now my diet is a bit worse!).
All of these effects have taken a while to show up (results take 2 - 3 months), and have been so gradual that I haven't noticed them. It's only when other people who haven't seen me in 3 - 6 months see me do they comment that I look leaner and stronger. All in all, I am a big fan of it over AAS for my goals.
But this thread is about hgh suppression and pct so I am hoping someone can shed light on this, LOL!