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    This sounds very promising people, any body know anything about it??

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    What the heck is it?
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    well am not really sure what it is and hence the post, but this is what i gathered so far:

    A new drug that's 10 times more anabolic to muscle than Long-R3 IGF-1 and totally resistant to liver destruction. Oh, and burns fat almost as well as DNP! ( thats Accroding to: Elite Fitness News )

    few days on it is like being 6 months on hgh at high doses ! ( actual testimony from user , not advertising BS )

    New :PGCL = 10x more Anabolic then IGF ! 50x stronger then PGF2 ! Lose fat like DNP ! Build muscle like steroid ! Pumps muscles like IGF ! Shed bloat like Lasix ! site growth like Synthol ! get shreded like you are winstrol , all in one shot and in RECORD TIME ! transform body before your eyes , shoot it into GYNO and it melt it away , no need to cycle it ..
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    thats just way to damn good to be true this would be every drug wrapped up in one the greatest drug in bodybuilding history to make those kinda claims its just to farfetched for me to believe i can do all that that effectively
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    If its as good as what that description says you'll seen seeing a ton of jacked, ripped mofos at the gym.
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    i totally agree with you guys, but it really won't hurt to know what it is. Thats what we are here for...to learn.
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    yeah i saw that to from a pretty reputable company... I havn't heard any feedback or much about it ..
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    It sure sounds way to hyped up. EVERY single thing that has worked for 30 years is wrapped into one 25mcg injection in a matter of days?

    According to one post on another board a poster said "it's apparantly it's a more Potent version of PGF2a".

    Isn't PF2a harsh on the gut and you are on the toilet a lot?

    I sure would like to see what the results are. Everyone wants something that works better as the sceince gets better. I hope it is ture.
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    yeah a read were a guy is doing this. he says it does work but you are on the toliet a lot.. he also says its site specific.. doesn't sound like its worth it to me.. he was hoping it didn't work so he could stop taking it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighRPM's View Post
    It sure sounds way to hyped up. EVERY single thing that has worked for 30 years is wrapped into one 25mcg injection in a matter of days?

    According to one post on another board a poster said "it's apparantly it's a more Potent version of PGF2a".

    Isn't PF2a harsh on the gut and you are on the toilet a lot?

    I sure would like to see what the results are. Everyone wants something that works better as the sceince gets better. I hope it is ture.
    Thats exactly what it is, I wonder if it will work topically is the only reason I would look at it but evenso would be costly but considering how hard pgf is to get it may be worth a shot.
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    PGF-2a causes smooth muscle to contract, hence the craps around the time of injection and means it's a no-no for women.

    About PGCL...I can't find much hard-facts about it, should it be assumed that it's a long acting PGF-2a? I don't like assumptions...
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    throw together some money for a vial and IŽll test it on my ***** titts and for site specs grow, of course, with pics and all theat jazz.:bruce3: izza:

    Else, to order from this source is to uninteresting at the moment.
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    For anybody that's interested, here's a thread from another board:

    PGF2a in adipose tissue in love handles? - EliteFitness.com Bodybuilding Forums
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    Here's another guys experience on it:

    Okay Bro's,

    Lets take some of the mystery out of IP's PGCL.

    First let me tell you that if you don't know, I have been a friend of IP
    now for many years. I also would have been equally willing to post
    negative or neutral comments about PGCL had I found the first results to
    be dissappointing or the experience dangerous. This is a subjective post
    and you must recognize, as I do, that this is pretty much uncharted
    territory and no physician in his right mind would approve of these
    methods for determining PGCL's effect or safety in bodybuiding MEN. The
    literature on prostoglandins in bodybuilding is very limited. I was
    greatly helped by articles on Basskiller and Mesomorphosis. You will note
    in the literature reviews, that many times the dosing information is
    choppy and you are not sure exactly which prostoglandin the author may be
    referring to or which prostoglandin PGCL really is ( stronger or weaker ).
    There is a ton of vetinary information out there on the drug that is used
    to bring on heat and to induce labor in elephants, cattle, and pigs. But
    it is hard to find information on fat metabolism, muscle growth, and
    dosages in males.

    IP's PGCL: It's ( PG-CL ) and each powder amp is 500 mcg or 1/2 mg.

    THE PRICE: Pretty pricey although when one actually considers the
    dramatic physique altering effects that occur with the drug and mild to
    moderate workouts, it may be very cost effective. Certainly, when placed
    side by side to HGH, PGCL appears to eliminate fat, at a rate many times
    that of HGH. One of the most limiting factors of PGCL use appears to be as
    spoken about elsewhere; the fact is that users get burned out with being a
    pin cushion and to a lesser degree with the diarrhea that is induced by
    the drug. Now IP tells me it can be taken at far lower frequencies ( 1
    amp every two weeks ) and still be effective. This would truly make the
    drug dirt cheap. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing
    schedules as high as mine, although I am very comfortable with the startup
    schedule and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However,
    if it can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
    frequencies, then obviously that is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
    UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
    if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
    a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
    yourself, but I cannot see how you can in good conscience risk the health
    of your baby to-be.

    THE DOSAGE: I found that 1/4cc PGCL is a nice volume to shoot into a muscle
    with an insulin syringe 29guage X 1/2 needle. You could use more or less
    volume, but becuase there may be a small bite to the injection, it is
    rather shallow injection, and there are more small nerves at shot
    locations then you are use to with gear sticks, 1/4cc feels about right.
    You clearly get the effects of the drug in what, appeared to me, to be
    like-manner as when I used 3/4cc of PGCL. Besides, 1/4cc makes it easy to
    split up in dosages that are suggested for a 220lb male ( approximately
    37mcg ). Now I usually get bacteriostatic water from the lab supply store
    to mix stuff with but I was lazy and I picked up Sterile Normal Saline Eye
    Wash from the pharmacy section of the grocery store. IP has you buying
    distilled water and microwaving it, which is cheap and can be easily done.
    I just don't like gallon jugs as they quickly become breeding grounds for
    bugs. So I used sterile normal saline and you can use sterile water.
    Doesn't appear to matter although I am not an expert if you hadn't
    noticed, LOL. You have many ways to get 12 insulin syringes filled at 1/4
    cc from 1 amp of powdered PGCL to give you a shot with approximately
    40mcg of drug in it. I personally use a clean one ounce drink shot glass that
    has been submerged in ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 91% for 5 minutes and then air
    dried. With a sterile 3cc syringe, draw up just over 3cc of saline or water.
    Break the top off the amp ( happy to report these Chinese glass amp tops break
    easily as they are supposed to ) and put 2 cc in the amp and allow powder
    to mix into solution. Then withdrawl everything out of amp with syringe and
    you should be left with a syringe that has just over 3 cc's PGCL solution in it.
    Shoot the 3cc's PGCL solution into the shot glass and draw up 12 insulin syringes
    with 1/4cc ( or ml) PGCL each. You now have 12 shots available from one 500mcg
    amp each. Each shot will have approximately 40 mcg's of PGCL which is the
    recommended dose ( as far as I can find ) of PGCL for a 220lb MALE.

    STORAGE: I kept the amps and the readied syringes in a refrigerator.
    However, in reviewing the vetinary literature, I found that the drug in
    solution may be kept in a dark place at room temperature. Obviously,
    keeping the drug refrigerated for elephants in Africa would be a
    challenge.

    SHOOTING PGCL: Well it takes a little getting used to as it did the first
    time you nailed yourself with a 1 1/2 inch 22 or 23 guage needle. It does
    have a small bite at first and it varies depending on the muscle region
    you are hitting as there are differences in where pain receptors are
    between shot locations. But the worst pain that ( which isn't very bad ) is
    the pain that you already know when you lay the needle close enough to a
    nerve that the solution volume excerts pressure and you feel alittle pain
    with inject. Thats why 1/4cc is a good shot volume as it isn't putting a
    whole lot of volume pressure out at the point of inject. About every 10th
    injection I did get a small ( dime-size ) bruise from needle/shot trauma.
    This was ususually associated with jerking the syringe around or
    repositioning the needle in the muscle using my left non-dominat hand.
    You will find the bicep an easier muscle to hit the the tricep, DUH!. I
    never aspirate back, but everyone will tell you you should.

    THE DOSING SCHEDULE: I am just going to tell you what I did. I based my
    inject sites, frequency, and dosage on what little literature was
    available. BEAWARE::: It appears that I may be using well over twice the
    necessary amount of drug needed. I shot ( two 40 mcg. injects ) 2 - 3
    times a day ( 4 - 6 total shots ) depending on whether I was working that
    day or not. On days that you are working you may have to scale back the
    shots, or not do them at all, as the need to use the bathroom in quick
    order is there everytime you inject. ON WORK DAY: I would do 1 shot at
    work at a time when I knew that 20 minutes to 1 -1/2 hours after I
    injected I could spend 1 - 3 ( 5 - 10 minutes breaks ) on the ****ter
    stinking the place up. I would then shoot some time after dinner being a
    lttle sensitive to others in the house as far as smell and splatter ( if
    you know what I mean!! ). ON NON WORK DAYS: I would do 2 shots,
    3 times a day at times that made sense as far as ingestion of food and availability
    of toilet. Now it is clearly a very fast acting drug and there is some
    literature from bodybuilders suggesting shooting 5 times a day as the
    anabolic effect may be as short as only 2 hours. May be my 6 shots on NON
    WORK days should be spread out and limited to 5 shots total. But I am
    afraid the logistics, as far as toilet use, and other tolerance issues,
    make me comfortable with my shot schedule ( again that is ( 2 ) 40mcg
    shots, 3 times a day where they make sense )

    THE SHOT PAIN/SORENESS: You will read about having 64 possible shot
    locations and the need to rotate the shots between muscles, locations and
    workout days. I am going to tell you my experience is different. I am 6
    days into it and shooting only my biceps and triceps. I did shoot my
    chest once, my quads once and my calves once and the bowels moved about
    the same degree with each location. It maybe becuase I am actually
    hitting my system with 80 mcg with each inject session so proxcimity to
    the guty may be a mute point as the ****s going to roll ( or slip out of
    you!! ) anyhow. I experience muscle soreness for about as long as the drug
    remains active which I would guesstimate at 1-3 hours. I have experienced
    nothing debilitating as far as muscle pain and I can inject the muscle
    over and over again. I can work the muscle moderately hard, get a great
    pump, without any consideration of whether I shot the muscle that day or
    not. Now your experience may be different as I know from experience with
    shooting IP's oils forever it seems that while I rarely ever had
    sensitivity some guys would get tremendous adverse reactions at the
    injection site. DO YOU UNDERSTAND: That I shoot two shots into the
    identical areas of the bilateral muscle with every shot episode. So during
    the 1 -3 sessions a day, I shoot one bicep or tri area and then try to
    shoot immediately the same area on the other arm. Thats how I get 80mcg's
    of drug with every inject session.

    WHAT ELSE AM I ON: I am on HRT and don't cycle anymore as I can't
    grow on cycles that include up to 2 grams of test a week. I am over 50 and my
    test levels are managed by a physician who uses lozenges to keep me at a
    level of someone about 30. You will never grow on HRT, but if you time it
    right sometime after 40 when your muscle mass starts to dwindle, get on it
    and you may blunt the muscle loss. How long??? we will find out!!! I
    also take armidex and procepia, but that is really it. Oh I am doing PWO
    slin and Maxy Waize just to augment the muscle fullness if I can. Only on
    workout days. I do 75mg -100 mg of ephedrine HCL preworkout and I have
    noticed a blunted effect of ephedrine since being on PGCL. I would say 30%
    less of a boost.

    THE SHOT LOCATIONS: Like I said above, I am not rotating muscles beyond
    the two I have chosen to experiment on. My Biceps and my Triceps. I am
    only doing the lateral head of the triceps for reasons that will become obvious
    to you when you go to hitting the tricep muscle by yourself.

    ****************************** ******************** *******
    THE SIDE EFFECTS:

    Your experience may be different and my experiment may be dangerous for
    some MALES. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing
    schedules as high as mine although I am very comfortable with the schedule
    and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However, if it
    can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
    frequencies then obviously this is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
    UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
    if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
    a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
    yourself, but I cannot see hopw you can in good conscience risk the health
    of your baby to-be.

    THE SCARIEST EFFECT: Was on the first or second day of use when doing
    shrugs, on about the 4th set the area around my adam's apple started to
    tighten up. Now the first thought is that the airway could close down as
    with anaphalactic shock. I stopped the exercise and the sensation quickly
    subsided. That was the only time I experienced that feeling. PGCL is a
    smooth muscle constrictor and today I think I may have just triggered some
    smooth muscle in my neck or possibly the lower windpipe to contract.
    Understanding it doesn't make it any safer, if your airway should close
    off, you won't be worrying about muscle size anymore.

    NAUSEA: Truthfully, it was only the first day that I almost felt ( when
    the drug was peaking in my system, around 1 hour or so ) like vomiting.
    I didn't, it never got to the point of heaves. That 1st and 2nd day was
    one of fatique and a feeling of sickness mostly when the drug was peaking.

    THE ****TER: This is probably the biggest nuisance, but may also be one
    of the most beneficial aspects of the drug. You will need a bathroom for
    diarrhea 1 - 3 times within the 1st 20 min to 1 1/2 hours after injecting
    the dosages I used. The drug causes spontaneous abortions in females
    through smooth muscle contractions. In men this drug causes you to
    spontaneously abort much of what you have in your GI track, as well as,
    your bladder through the same mechanism. It doesn't seem to get better,
    it happens everytime, and there were a couple times that I would have ****
    my pants ( at work ) if I did not have a toilet readily available. The good
    news is ( despite a puckered *******, LOL ) you develop a tolerance and it
    becomes a fairly easy thing to manage, but how many times can you admit
    to your family in a week period, you have the runs? Seems a little weird!!

    BODYTEMP: You read about sweating and increase in body temperature when
    people are describing the effects when drug is peaking in your system. In
    my experience I had a consistent drop in body temperature 36.3 - 36.9
    degrees celcius when peaking ( at about 1 hour or when you are compelled
    to the bathroom ). Much of the day my hands and feet where cold and so it
    appears to me that I peripherally shut down due to vasoconstriction of
    blood vessels in my hands and feet. It may be a compensatory reaction to
    the sudden loss of water volume intravascularily through the massive
    shifting of water into the GI tract causing, near-explosive, diarrhea.
    Just speculation as is all of this report.

    SITE PAIN / MUSCLE SORENESS: As noted above: small bite with injection,
    soreness for me while drug levels were high and nothing that prevents me
    from working that muscle or re-hitting the site.

    CRAMPING: Some cramping thats confined to the hands mostly every
    day once or twice that subsides. I attributed this to electrolyte loss from
    diarrhea and diuresis.

    BRUISING: Like I said above, small, dime-size, bruises about every 10th
    inject from muscle trauma I speculate was cuased by me jerking the syringe
    and needle around with my non-dominant hand.

    ****************************** ******************** *******

    THE RESULTS:

    WEIGHT LOSS: In 5 days, I lossed 9 lbs. Much of this was water, but it was
    also significantly fat. Vascularity has been brought out by a reduction of
    the fat sheath on arms and legs. Belt size shortened about 1 inch.

    ARM SIZE: In 5 days, approximately 1 inch, added to my Bicep/tricep
    measurement post workout of the arms. About 18 to 19 inches with the
    muscle staying fuller throughout day. Come on,,, I am over 50, how big did
    you think I would be??? bigger than most!!

    HORNYNESS: Some users of prostoglandins report increase in Libido. I
    would say mine was enhanced slightly, but this maybe more of a placebo
    effect. In younger men this effect maybe more pronounced or it may not
    have any effect on libido.

    PURELY SPECULATION / BABBLING

    What makes this drug so interesting for rapid weight loss is that you are
    emptying the gut periodically throughout the day and depriving the body of
    calories and electrolytes. However unlike caloric restrictive diets
    of say, less that 1000 calories a day, you are able to eat normally ( if
    not overeat ) and not suffer through the psychological pain of strict
    dieting. You may also prevent the re-setting of the metabolism that occurs
    when the body thinks you are depriving it. But I am convinced, that in
    addition to diuresis, the drug is causing food in the small intestine to
    not get fully absorbed, but be evacuated out of the body. Whether there
    is actually increased fat metabolism occuring ( the burning up or
    "killing" ) of fat cells that one reads about from prostoglandins I can't
    tell. I do not see heat occuring which would lead me to believe that my
    metabolism was increased. I do see one of the most pain free and profound
    weight loss through diuresis and decreased nutritional absorbtion that I
    have ever experienced, or heard of. If you are a fighter trying to make
    weight, take 80 mcgs of PGCL, and within 2 hours you maybe as much as 5
    pounds lighter. One gallon of water weighs 8 lbs and I didn't weigh it,
    LOL, but that first shot/**** was about 1 /2 gallon of pretty toxic stuff.
    I would certainly consider gatoraid/pedi-lite drinks throughout day if
    in fact, we agree there is a serious loss of electrolites ocurring. There
    is obvious muscle swelling due to inflamation of the muscle. How can this
    be anabolic?? It is fluid! It must be stretching fascia? But is it
    anymore stretching than if I was on 2 grams of test?? Time will tell. I
    have 5-6 more amps to do in my arms. What are the health consequenses in
    men?? Hell I don't know, but in rats given tons of the drug, it appears
    that any negative effects subsided with discontinuation of the drug.
    Tolerance issues: most people seem to tolerate and learn to manage the
    ****ter, but it appears that 2 months is the maximum that people want to
    be a pincushion or to just manage the logistics associated with PGCL. My
    intuition tells me that I will do 8 amps into my Biceps and Tris and then
    take a break and evaluate the longer term effects. I think a 10amp
    package for $250 from China and 500mg of test a week will get you a 1-2
    month bridging cycle between steroid use. IP tells me he may bring this
    price down and both he and the remailers will be stocking up on PGCL in
    the next couple weeks.


    IN SUMMARY: I have done DNP and could not tolerate it beyond day two. It
    was probably the most frightening experience along with just the
    discomfort from heat. DNP is nasty stuff and frommy perspective the kind
    of stuff physiologically that if you show up in the ER with serious side
    effects, they aren't going to have a clue other than ice packs as to how
    to treat you. In other words they are as apt to turn the negative effects
    up as much as turn them down. It wouldn't surprise me if death occurs
    occaissionally with DNP use. I have used as much as 700ius of HGH over a
    few months and while I did recognize fat loss, it came at a significant
    price.

    No this is very interesting stuff that I think warrants a try without more
    than base test, and without HGH. It is cool stuff in that you can
    painlessly diet and ( with a little site pain ) manipulate muscle size all
    within a matter of days.

    I do not know if the muscle swelling will occur in people with little or
    no muscle mass. I suspect that like steroids, there won't be much of a
    size increase without mass.

    Well did I seem biased??? I hope not!! I am IP's friend, but money has
    never motivated me to compromise Truth. In fact I paid full price for the
    product which is extremely rare for me. This is all subjective and in the
    end I only hope I have just provided some helpful information that will
    allow you to safely experiment with this very unique drug. For God's
    sake people, do you realize I am reporting all this after only 5 days or
    2-3 amps 1mg - 1.5 mg PGCL. I will give you the full, blow to blow,
    through 5 more amps so that this is not just some great beginning followed
    up without an ending reported.


    Allbeef
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    I'd be wary of buying anything IP makes that is "cutting edge".

    No offense to them, but - I mean really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedbacker View Post
    For anybody that's interested, here's a thread from another board:

    PGF2a in adipose tissue in love handles? - EliteFitness.com Bodybuilding Forums
    Hmmm...
    Quote Originally Posted by Some Dude From That Link
    Common name (±)-Cloprostenol sodium salt
    Trade name Ciosin, Cyclix, Estrumate, Lutaprost, Onsett, Planate
    Generic name Cloprostenol - sodium salt
    Chemical name 1?(Z),2?(1E,3R*),3?,5?-(±)-7-2-4-(3-chlorophenoxy)-3-hydroxy-1-butenyl-3,5-dihydroxycyclopentyl-5-heptenoic acid, sodium salt
    Synonym Sodium salt of (±)-(16-m-chlorophenoxy)-17,18,19,20-tetranor-PGF2?
    CAS number 55028-72-3
    EINECS number 259-439-3
    Formula
    Formula C22H28O6Cl · Na
    Relative molecular weight 446.90

    Transdermal use.. Im experimenting, and can tell you that it is readily, and very easily absorbed through the skin. It shows a great degree of promise as a topical product. As many of you have noted, the ability to dis it evenly around troubled areas is going to be life changingly useful.

    There are about 5 major ones in use ranging in potency, and specificity of binding.

    Also, women(!) My studies have not produced any evidence to show any effects on the female reproductive system are permenant- Indeed, the drug is used to control fertility, not to end the possibility of it. The pain it seems women have is movement of the ovaries, and nothing more. The drug causes abortion by acting on the Corpus Luteum. However, the animals appear to be fit for the purpose afterwards. A farmer would be unwise to use an experimental drug and write off his prescious livestock...

    But you are correct that pregnant women should not go near the stuff- but as a positive we can see just how effective the trandermal formula may be...




    As for use on a bulking cycle- A lot of people have asked me about their "Paper weight" or how much in pounds they will put on. PGCL is not the worlds best bulking agent. Gains will be disapointing if you go by the scales. Calorie balance, eat as much as you like. Its the one time youll get away with it! It can be used on a bulking cycle- the real beauty of it is the fact that you just watch the lagging parts respond like never before.

    Basically- Overall weight gain wont be anything to shout about, but the difference to biceps and calfs is extremely visible, whilst systemic fat loss is pronounced- Absorbtion through the skin is reputed (according to Pfizer) to cause systemic effects.

    The only undesirable effect if used in conucntion with AAS is that the pumps become so severe that the lagging part gets so engorged that it wont travel through a full ROM unimpeded. Partial reps become the only option.

    As for the evidence of permenant fat loss, I'm looking as we speak, and stumbled across this earlier:

    Treatment of 3T3-L1 preadipocytes with arachidonic acid resulted in a dose-dependent inhibition of adipocyte differentiation. The cells failed to aculate fat droplets and did not express stearoyl-CoA desaturase 1 mRNA, a marker for late-stage differentiation. The inhibition of differentiation was reversed by the addition of cyclooxygenase inhibitors ibuprofen or indomethacin. Inhibitors of the lipoxygenase and cytochrome P-450 epoxygenase pathways were unable to reverse the effect of arachidonic acid. Dexamethasone, one of the adipogenic agents normally used to induce differentiation, could be replaced with cyclooxygenase inhibitors in the differentiation tail. This implicated dexamethasone as a modulator of prostaglandin synthesis in culture. Prostaglandins F[2?] (ED[50] = 0.4 nM), E[2], and D[2] prevented differentiation, each with a specific, dose-dependent affinity. Prostaglandin F[2?] was the most potent inhibitor of differentiation, suggesting that a prostanoid FP[2] receptor (FP receptor) mediates the prostaglandin action. Fluprostenol (ED[50] = 0.3 nM), a selective FP receptor agonist, prevented differentiation, confirming the involvement of an FP receptor in the inhibition of 3T3-L1 preadipocyte differentiation. Stimulation of the FP receptor for 1 h during the first day of differentiation was sufficient to cause substantial inhibition. Endogenous PGF[2?] production was lower in differentiating cells compared to unstimulated preadipocytes. These data suggest that PGF[2?] production by preadipocytes plays a role in maintaining the undifferentiated state.

    Hmmmmmm!
    I can't believe this guy is even hinting that women could inject prostaglandins.
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    Hmm


    Of all that information and thanks for posting that. This stands out the most.

    "What makes this drug so interesting for rapid weight loss is that you are
    Emptying the gut periodically throughout the day and depriving the body of
    Calories and electrolytes
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    To me the weight loss of 9 pounds could easily be the "laxative effect" it seems to have. If you are crapping out water and food before you body can digest you are going to LOSE weight and be depriving your body of what it needs.

    That seems discouraging and dangerous to me.
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    The drug sounds interesting... but I think I will let about 1000 more people test it before I even consider it.

    But RPM, you're right. Take 16 Ex-Lax every day for a week and you, too, will lose 9 pounds. (Probably won't gain 1" on your arms, though.)
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    oh boy. 9lbs lost and 1" gained on the arms....IP is a piece of, ahem..."work"
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    Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    oh boy. 9lbs lost and 1" gained on the arms....IP is a piece of, ahem..."work"
    LOL. That's what I said too, but i've been seeing quite a few positive reviews saying similar things as far as fat loss and site enhancement on a few different boards.
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    PGF-2a has always been known to do this though, its nothing ground breaking really. If you check IP's list, he even states it a "synthetic and pure" pgf-2a.
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    I'd just like to know the half-life, it really does just sound like a longer lasting version of Lutalyse/Dinoprost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziricote View Post
    I'd just like to know the half-life, it really does just sound like a longer lasting version of Lutalyse/Dinoprost.
    I don't even think its longer lasting, the dosing is 3x/ED from IP's advice.
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    I'm yet to find exactly how long the half-life of this stuff is but right now my best bet is ~1 hour, it may be stronger mg for mg compared to Dinoprost but like you say Aspire- it would still require 3+ injections/day.
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    /bump

    Reading about this and elsewhere and found this thread. So did any of you try it?
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    FO you canŽt lean out with steroids and anti-es, then I think one should overthink oneŽs strategy and maybe become a pro-poker player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcam222 View Post
    /bump

    Reading about this and elsewhere and found this thread. So did any of you try it?
    Hey J, empty some of your PM storage space!
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    Done D. Where is the link to go gold at?? I cant seem to find the thing anywhere.
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    I'll bring this up from the dead..

    I'm on PGCL at the moment, 40mcg 2x daily..

    Pros!
    - The dose doesn't hurt at all
    - The muscle dosed tends to look pumped for days after
    - My waist is starting to shrink, being diabetic this tends to be my hardest spot to lean out

    Cons!
    - Weird taste in mouth maybe 5mins after dose.
    - Toilet visits last for me about 35mins, thankfully I only go once per dose.
    - I'm hot for about 3-4hrs after dose

    I'm still 202lbs, yet my waist went from 33 to 30" in 13 days.. Been dosing this 5 on/ 2 off..
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    God I remember being on it in 2007. It tore me up..I tried playing with the doses and I came off ten days before my show just to be safe. The weird thing when coming off..and I am not sure that this is attributed to the pgcl, was my fingernails and toenails started to curve and I lost the Lunula or the half moons in my nails. My doctor told me that this was a calcium absorbtion problem and/or lack of nutrients ...she knew my "usage". It took all the way till May of 2008 for my nails to come back. Now the interesting part of it is, is that I am not on GH and ate all year long (2008). My sides and belly fat has never really came back. I mean I have bulked but I no longer have my love-handles that I would always get after going crazy from dieting. It did help me with fat loss..not for sure about muscle gain. My dosage was anywhere from 2x 40mcg to 2x 15mcg. I nearly crapped myself to death...peace.Oh and I stayed on for 2 months with a week break in between.
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