DangerDave
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Is insulin discussion allowed on the forums? I don't see much so I am asking before I post up some stuff.
As long as we're not sourcing I think anything goes. I mean look at all the stupid crap people post on here. At least slin discussions with fairly intelligent abusers will be informative and answer questions and help others in the future. This places motto is learn teach lead right?Is insulin discussion allowed on the forums? I don't see much so I am asking before I post up some stuff.
Get a blood glucose meter. Never go below 100. My sweet spot is 7g carbs/iu. I gain muscle but not fat at that dose. The BGM is a necessity for slin use imo.Ok so I am looking to start bursting it for 10days on 2 weeks off during my upcoming bulk.
I was going to start at 3iu on day 1 and work my way up to 10iu. My big question is carb consumption pwo and that fact I am using humulin R.
I know humulin R kicks in about 30 minutes so 30 minutes before I finish lifting I will pin and start drinking my Creatine, Glutamine, BCAA and 30g of 50/50 potato/dextrose shake. Immediately following lifting I will get down another Shake with 50g pro 30g simple Carbs and eat my sweet potatoes and fruit.
I know they say 10g of carbs per 1iu of slin but that seems excessive. If I am eating 5 meals before I lift and almost 300g of carbs before I lift do I really need 10g per IU post workout?
Any suggestions of ideas on finding my sweet spot in the safest way possible? I feel my plan is solid and as I increase IU my post workout shake will increase in simple sugars and protein. Probably at 5g per iu till I hit 10iu.
Thoughts? Suggestions? I have been reading Duchaine's work and L. Rea's stuff so basing it off that style of slin use.
For sure man. I totally forgot to mention I got a BGM. Thanks. I will be running it with 5iu GH ed broken into 2 shots. I want to experiment because next bulk I want to do bursts of GH/Slin at 10iu GH and 10iu Slin Am/Pm ED 10on 14off. And duchaine was smart as hell but gave no fuks when it came to safety for sure haha.Get a blood glucose meter. Never go below 100. My sweet spot is 7g carbs/iu. I gain muscle but not fat at that dose. The BGM is a necessity for slin use imo.
ps- Careful with Duchaine. The man was a genius but not exactly safety conscious.
I have used it all 3 and believe it or not with r i like pre the best. When i first got BGM I was testing all the time. Def test pre , post (30 mins) Post 1st carb. pre 2nd carb and post 2nd carb. Its alotbut it will tell u how u r responding and u can adjust accordingly.For sure man. I totally forgot to mention I got a BGM. Thanks. I will be running it with 5iu GH ed broken into 2 shots. I want to experiment because next bulk I want to do bursts of GH/Slin at 10iu GH and 10iu Slin Am/Pm ED 10on 14off. And duchaine was smart as hell but gave no fuks when it came to safety for sure haha.
Do you use it prewo, mid or post? How often do ypu take glucose samples?
Were you kind of locked down after lifting? Like incase an emergency scenario? or would you just venture out w some sugary stuff?I have used it all 3 and believe it or not with r i like pre the best. When i first got BGM I was testing all the time. Def test pre , post (30 mins) Post 1st carb. pre 2nd carb and post 2nd carb. Its alotbut it will tell u how u r responding and u can adjust accordingly.
Intra workout carb pro drink seemed to work fine to keep that totally at bay.Were you kind of locked down after lifting? Like incase an emergency scenario? or would you just venture out w some sugary stuff?
jw, this is a very interesting topic which I would like to learn more about from users.
How would you run it pre? I am interested to see how your carb intake was set up pre workout, intra and post.I have used it all 3 and believe it or not with r i like pre the best. When i first got BGM I was testing all the time. Def test pre , post (30 mins) Post 1st carb. pre 2nd carb and post 2nd carb. Its alotbut it will tell u how u r responding and u can adjust accordingly.
How would you run it pre? I am interested to see how your carb intake was set up pre workout, intra and post.
Most if my reading has been done in the small window immediately after lifting.
I have it all to start but am waiting for my bulk GH to show up. I am just learning the last few things and asking my questions.
Thanks man. I am running with GH and that will help keep fat down. GH will shift my metabolism to burning fat for fuel while blood sugar levels are high.I've done humalin r 3x day 3days a week for 3 weeks recently. It's only way I've used it and I find it helpful. I started at 3-4iu but I was doin 10-12iu per shot after couple days. I dose pre breakfast again mid day and pre wo althought I can dose post wo too since u have some slin lingering around with the r. I have a shake of whey glutamine and creatine post most shots or a big meal high pro high complex carbs. I would relay mostly on pasta for carbs but I do have gummy bears n **** on deck in my gym bag.
Try it this way before u do 2-4week Ed.
I would do major muscle groups on the slin days. I do not have HGH.
If ur trying to not gain fat than slin is prob not best compound. Maybe with HGH it's lean gains but not so much without.
This protocol came from pro muscle. It's very popular there
I would go upwards of 25/unit insulinOk so I am looking to start bursting it for 10days on 2 weeks off during my upcoming bulk.
I was going to start at 3iu on day 1 and work my way up to 10iu. My big question is carb consumption pwo and that fact I am using humulin R.
I know humulin R kicks in about 30 minutes so 30 minutes before I finish lifting I will pin and start drinking my Creatine, Glutamine, BCAA and 30g of 50/50 potato/dextrose shake. Immediately following lifting I will get down another Shake with 50g pro 30g simple Carbs and eat my sweet potatoes and fruit.
I know they say 10g of carbs per 1iu of slin but that seems excessive. If I am eating 5 meals before I lift and almost 300g of carbs before I lift do I really need 10g per IU post workout?
Any suggestions of ideas on finding my sweet spot in the safest way possible? I feel my plan is solid and as I increase IU my post workout shake will increase in simple sugars and protein. Probably at 5g per iu till I hit 10iu.
Thoughts? Suggestions? I have been reading Duchaine's work and L. Rea's stuff so basing it off that style of slin use.
Ok that's great info. As of now I consume just over 100g postworkout. Some in my shake, a piece of fruit and 12oz sweet potato that I smash before I leave the gym. All I have to do is adjust the type of carbs.I would go upwards of 25/unit insulin
Remember post workout your sensitivity is better as is uptake
Also your not diabetic so 10-15 g carb per iu is generally for diabetics on insulin
Better ton start at a higher number and work your way down vs potential hypoglycemia
If I were you I'd hit 5 Ius insulin with 100 carbs
If you run insulin for too long you will eventually develop an insulin resistance which basically makes you diabetic. I know a guy who used it for a full year with no breaks that now is resistant to insulin and must wear a heart monitor on him at all times so be careful with insulin but at the same time it's not that hard to understand once you get into itOk lets keep this discussion going.. I assume you can develop a tolerance or something to insulin if you keep using an exogenous source?? Anyone care to elaborate or share personal stories?
yeah I say sdotn use it. somehtign that can so easly kill you should not be taken lightly. i know ill never use it. but got no prob with 1g of test ew.I believe it is.
Let's start a discussion on safe smart insulin usage.
Lol. 1g of test can kill you. Getting out of bed can kill you. Driving to work can kill you. Eating that chicken breast for dinner can kill you. All easily. There's precautions to protect against all of that. This is a thread discussing safe insulin usage. Not discussing not using it. Slin used right is a fantastic tool to break the genetic barrier wide open.yeah I say sdotn use it. somehtign that can so easly kill you should not be taken lightly. i know ill never use it. but got no prob with 1g of test ew.
I do not agree with your comparison. s SMALL miscalculation or general mistake in dose can kill you. VERY small... not the same as the rest you mention....Lol. 1g of test can kill you. Getting out of bed can kill you. Driving to work can kill you. Eating that chicken breast for dinner can kill you. All easily. There's precautions to protect against all of that. This is a thread discussing safe insulin usage. Not discussing not using it. Slin used right is a fantastic tool to break the genetic barrier wide open.
2 words, natural selection.I do not agree with your comparison. s SMALL miscalculation or general mistake in dose can kill you. VERY small... not the same as the rest you mention....
I see tons of posts like this on pro muscle where dudes have pinned way more than anyone should and they're still kicking.I think if ur retarted brain "accidentally" pinned 100 units if slin instead to 10, I don't think you will die as LONG AS you eat carbs.
what did they do? make really sweet kool-aid?I see tons of posts like this on pro muscle where dudes have pinned way more than anyone should and they're still kicking.
Dd you gonna go with pre or post workout slin?
Hell if I can remember. Probably something along those lines. I know a few of that forums sponsors offer like pure dextrose drinks and stuff like that so I imagine something like that would have been done.what did they do? make really sweet kool-aid? 1 cup sugar = 200g carbs
I am going to start doing post then switch to pre after I gather some data on how I react.Dd you gonna go with pre or post workout slin?
Yeah man that price is whack. Probably legit just WAY underdosed. Goid rips should be in the 250-300 range and those are certified batch numbered kits.I still need a growth guy. I've been finding rips but 170 a kit seems fishy As fuk.
Digging the new cycle. Your not running drol for the whole first 10 weeks right?
I was scared for your liver bro. Lmao.Yeah man that price is whack. Probably legit just WAY underdosed. Goid rips should be in the 250-300 range and those are certified batch numbered kits. No drol for 5 weeks haha. Good catch I missed that.
Hahaha. I was more worried about BP. I would look like Larry the lobster on Spongebob. Jacked and red as fuk.I was scared for your liver bro. Lmao.
You might have looked like bob when cirrhosis kicked inHahaha. I was more worried about BP. I would look like Larry the lobster on Spongebob. Jacked and red as fuk.
Hahahaha fact bro.You might have looked like bob when cirrhosis kicked in
At least you wouldn't have to tan...there's an upside to everything DDHahaha. I was more worried about BP. I would look like Larry the lobster on Spongebob. Jacked and red as fuk.
Haha I actually have to start tanning next week haha. My coach told me to get tanner so he doesn't have to look at my pale skrawny a$$At least you wouldn't have to tan...there's an upside to everything DD
Very good info man! Thanks and yes I am on the lean and large size. 208 and 10% at 5'8".As a type 1 diabetic, all I have to say is be careful. Things I have noticed with weight lifting and diabetes/using insulin every day is try and stay low carb until pre/post workout. The less insulin spikes you have the better for your body.
Since I am going to assume OP is a lean mean killing machine, you insulin sensitivity is pretty high, i would suggest the carb to insulin ratio start at 15:1. Also, if you feel like your sensitivity is dropping, start taking cinnamon supplements, I found it helps me use less insulin.
If you're feeling dizzy, light headed, cold sweats, tongue goes numbs, and get a deer in the head lights look, EAT CARBS. You may be going hypoglycemic (sugar drops to unsafe levels). Always keep a small snack 15g carbs. You can pick up glucose tabs at walmart and they'll kick up your numbers real fast
Monitor your blood sugar consistantly. I would say 5 times a day would be safe and would help you dial in your numbers and ratios. I personally use a One Touch Ultra Smart, you can hook it up to a computer and if you download the software from their website, you can graph your numbers and add notes so you have a nice digital logbook.
I know things are different from a diabetic to a bodybuilders aspect, but I would hate to see someone mess themselves up from insulin.
Sorry I haven't posted . I have been away. Yes you can. This is another are where a BGM is a necessity. When you fnd you blood sugar starting to rise it is a sign of insulin resistance developing. You need to either take a break or go 5days on 2 off and on the off days use a GDA (glucose disposal agent) to offset this effect. Honestly for the less advanced I recommend taking a break of a few week and hopping back on. Also the 5 on 2 off is not a bad protocol to adapt in any case right from go.Ok lets keep this discussion going..
I assume you can develop a tolerance or something to insulin if you keep using an exogenous source?? Anyone care to elaborate or share personal stories?
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