Am I Reasoning Correctly? (Thought on Peptides)
- 04-21-2013, 06:35 PM
Am I Reasoning Correctly? (Thought on Peptides)
I donn't know a lot about peptide use. But I know a thing or two about human behavior. People tend to do what they believe benefits them. So I compare the volume of posts in this subforum with the volume in the other main anabolic forum and read proposed cycles. The lack of use of peptides among people who are pinning steroids and the difference in traffic suggests to me that peptides are not popular because they are not as effective as steroids in adding or preserving muscle mass.
This is in spite of the fact peptides are legal in the US. Prohormone/DS, also legal, use is popular on this site, but that could be they are available in pill form and cycles may be a bit more inexpensive. Still, like I said, those pinning testosterone and trenbolone and spending lots of cash cash on anavar don't seem to avail themselves of this cheap, legal alternative.
Even SARMs are more popular, so I don't think the argument peptides are too new is a strong one. Even users will admit SARMs are not terribly effective at growth, either.
There is great danger in insulin use, while also being legal, cheap, and effective. I suppose it is a bit too high maintenance for most users to incorporate into cycles. I can understand this one not being popular.
Reflecting on this, I am thinking peptides are not terribly useful for leanness, strength, mass, etc. Note that I have never tried any, read any studies which I understand, or anything like that. I just observe people who know more than I do about the chemical subculture within physical enhancement.
I hope this doesn't come off as a troll post. I starting reading about peptides to see if they are worthwhile, not to instigate trouble in the forums. I would love to hear any thoughts from others regarding this post. Thanks in advance.
- 04-21-2013, 06:42 PM
- 04-21-2013, 07:45 PM
Maybe I should have asked, "Why aren't peptides more popular around AM?"
I had forgotten that these drugs supposedly take a while to work, but aren't users generally training their asses off in the interim? Maybe someone who is at their natural limit will notice a difference when they make gains again, but I still have my doubts.
04-21-2013, 09:36 PM
04-21-2013, 10:08 PM
I mean if I or anyone trains assiduously and religiously for six months, there will be gains with or without peptides. The prolonged time interval involved introduces a lot of confounders. Any experiment has confounders, but steroid cycles obviously work because the gains seen rarely occur in their absence. Peptides just don't seem as observably efficacious, but I remind that I am not as knowledgeable or experienced as a lot of members here.
By natural limit, I meant the case of someone who could not make any more gains but the addition of the peptides resulted in progress after the prolonged plateau. A controlled experiment using the best example I could imagine practically occuring in the field.
04-21-2013, 10:22 PM
With peps you have to understand it is also about anti-aging when you come right down to it. I don't think 6 months is enough time and it's not easy pinning 3 times a day, especially when it is long term- it's more of a lifestyle thing. Do you want to age well while maintaining max muscle or blow up quick or both. Regardless of which I think peps will be the wave of the future although the wave for many is not something they are ready to get their board out for yet.
04-22-2013, 05:33 PM
peptides are less understood for sure. you have to realize most people would rather do what the big guy at the gym says hes been doing for 10 years than take the time research and learn new things on their own, however unfortunate that may be. Peptides can be extremely useful in ways aas cannot be based on my personal experience. google "RussianStar" his write ups on peptides are phenomenal.
04-24-2013, 08:12 AM
04-24-2013, 08:17 AM
04-24-2013, 09:28 AM
I will check out datbtrue; thanks fellows.
I have seen russianstar's write ups on several drugs, but the advertising contained in them made me question his claims.
04-25-2013, 07:54 AM
ghrp 6 = ghrelin release in body = intense feeling of hunger.
ghrp6/cjc1293 = more GH released = Liver releases more IGF-1 due to more GH = pumps and tightness.
Both good signs, you stuff if legit or has not been damaged by mis handling.
Yeah, peps are just like GH, dont expect instant results.
04-25-2013, 08:12 AM
04-26-2013, 02:39 PM
that's like saying that everyone who was buying real estate and crapping on gold was buying what worked.
04-26-2013, 09:04 PM
It did work for a while, which is why they invested; they stopped buying when it stopped paying off. But peptides obey natural laws, so they either have benefits or they do not.
05-07-2013, 05:55 PM
05-08-2013, 12:07 PM
Peptides are no very popular for a few reasons. You have to pin them 3-5x a day, lets face it that a huge negative. Also ghrps/grfs are pretty weak, there's a log that I did on peptides using them very aggressively and didn't get that much out of them. It takes time to notice effects because they are weak. Of course IGFs work much better and Im about to change my pre wo with IGF des on regular bases cuz it comes out to be about the same price as jack3d lol.
Peptides are very interesting and I believe we are on our way to finding new and very powerful hormones with very little side effects. The peptides we are seeing today are simply a prototype of what will come in next 5-10 years.
In a steroid cycle alone just test for 12 weeks will yield way more gains than a 12week peptide cycle and it'll b cheaper and way more convenient too. Ghrp and cjc are def a nice addition to a test cycle as they can help u bring out details like more vascularity and better skin and some fat loss. But again peptides are no where near being a miracle drug.
**** even straight hgh is not that powerful on its own.
05-08-2013, 12:22 PM
I think peptides are actually equally as strong as GH if you have legit peptides. The last recorded results from GHRP-6 and CJC combo caused anywhere from a 2.5-5 IU pulse of GH in the body in one 100mcg dose of each. Plus, it does it the same way your body would naturally do it which is in a pulsatile motion rather than having GH float in your blood.
05-12-2013, 11:36 PM
I've used hgh, long r3 igf1, ghrp6, ipam, cjc 1295 wo dac, mod grf 1-29. Peptides are way more effective then hgh.
Although for what ever reason hgh made my skin super baby butt soft.
06-15-2013, 09:28 PM
I have had blood tests that amazed my HRT doc!!.. he seriously had never heard of some peptides.. we had a 'frank' discussion.. he now has begun to examine selling GHRP-2......like some select other HRT facilities do........the results are proven by blood work!!!
06-16-2013, 05:51 AM
08-17-2013, 04:09 PM
08-21-2013, 09:24 PM
09-26-2013, 01:03 AM
Been using HGH and IGF On/off for years. I used nothing else as far as peptides are concerned and my base weight went from 215 to 230 currently, but it took at least 5 years. I can visibly see muscle that I didnt have before HGH and IGF. Now for those who wonder this is 230 without anabolics just natural. WIth the addition of anabolics I easily go to 250+ and at 6ft tall is not too shabby.
Honestly to you all, you gotta have patience, knowledge and be perseverence with this stuff. It's not an overnight thing is a lifestyle like someone else have mentioned. And you have to eat a LOT of food and from experience the extra size is killing me with the amount of food I have eat to mantain.
09-26-2013, 09:25 AM
If you get legit GHRP, there is no comparison. The pumps (which could be due to my increased calories) are nearly unbearable in the gym. Strength and stamina is also increasing and has always done this in the past when I used it then.
09-26-2013, 05:26 PM
09-27-2013, 12:51 AM
09-27-2013, 01:43 AM
09-27-2013, 01:46 AM
09-27-2013, 01:47 AM
j/k.....for a 6 week or so cut, it would be worth the extra effort/nuisance. I'll try it, thanks. Just got off of this extreme site a minute ago, bought some cjc to go with the GHRP-6 since many of the guys suggested it doubles the effectiveness.
09-27-2013, 01:56 AM
I've been on ghrp6 and CJC continuously for about a year now. G6 for a few months before. It really makes a huge difference.
09-27-2013, 02:10 AM
09-27-2013, 04:44 AM
I only do 100 mcg once a day with CJC. I even dropped it to 75 for a few weeks. I see people overdoing this stuff quite a bit. I think 50 mcg 2x a day of g6 and 50 mcg 1 x a day for CJC is plenty for most people on the decline, but at 29 I push the dose a bit to get noticeable results.
Edit: this is based off no scientific data though lol. Just speculation and experience.
09-27-2013, 09:34 AM
The solution isn't to change doses. The solution is to change compounds. Go with Ipamorelin. Ipa is more refined and precise anyways. It has no interaction with cortisol or prolactine like GHRP-6/2 or Hex does.
09-27-2013, 09:36 AM
09-27-2013, 11:02 AM
09-27-2013, 01:00 PM
I had no idea how old you were, don't take it as an insult. More just saying that I see real young guys younger than myself, have to dose very high to notice the effects.
09-27-2013, 01:07 PM
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