From my understanding, there isn't a more sustainable & easy "cycle" than Test & GH. I only recommend EQ in the mix for added hunger and stamina, since both can drastically enhance muscle growth over the long haul. Tren, however, I recommend to stay away from. Something that powerful simply cannot be safe or healthy for your body, even in the short-term. You just don't need it for sustainable gains.
Im looking at getting 1500iu and running that at 10iu/ed straight. ill have test e 500mg/week entire time. Idk if i should add EQ at lets say 400mg/week on top of the Test for entire time (6months) for some extra muscle/hunger/stamina/vascularity or if i should blast it at lets say 800mg/week for 4months straight. Or 500test, 400eq, + 1-2 fast acting steroids cycled in and out like mast + var.
Im still extremely sceptical at the price of this growth. only one way to really know for sure.
Where do I get this test done?
Either way, I feel pretty good about it because they provide a number of products for Pfizer.
It's trickier with peptides other than GH though. Timing is really key and a megadose + a solid, carb-laden meal is necessary literally just an hour before going in for tests. The good thing here is that during all of the processes involved for testing peptides, the most constant and consistent process is LabCorp. I literally get in and out in 10 minutes or less, which is good for these types of studies.
Turns out, privatemdlabs actually has an HGH test for only $49. So that would be the easiest way. Just take a large dose 15-30 minutes before going in for the test. In the realm of anabolic hormones, high GH levels does not always equate to high IGF-1 levels. It usually does, but not always.
Those who train hard and more frequently will likely see a rise in IGF-1 levels. I try to imagine these two as having a similar relationship as Total T and Free T does to each other. Just because the one is high doesnt always mean the other will be spot on as well. But if I'm not mistaken, the relationship between GH, IGF-1 and MGF is not fully understood.
Fueled, i am getting hgh. I wanna run IGF lr3 with it. How would I do Incorporate both at the aame time? My hgh is supposedly pharma grade USA made, but my IGF is research grade.
I also have test e and eq along that.
IGF-1 LR3 is not the same thing as IGF-1. It isn't localized and doesn't necessarily cause immediate proliferation of muscle tissue. However, it does act like a super insulin - shuttling glucose and nutrients to the muscle cell almost exclusively. This is where it is most benefitial. Take IGF before your largest meal(s) of the day. Usually for me those are breakfast and post workout meals. Since IGF acts alot like insulin and has nutrient partitioning effects, don't be surprised if it plays with your blood sugar alittle or even alot. For me, it exhausted my sugar levels and caused me to stay in a state of slumber and sleepiness. I hated it but the physiological effects obviously made a difference.
Personally, I'd just take a low dose PWO (about 10mcg). If you are already on Test/EQ/GH, you shouldn't "need" anything else to get bigger and leaner. That's an incredible stack and IF you have a diet that is plentiful in nutrient-dense calories, you'll see incredibile gains.
IF (but won't be) I did a cycle like this and I could afford GH, I'd run
300 Test- E
4 IU/day GH
200mcg Ipamorelin @ night
I bet with something like that I could put on 25lbs in 3-4 months. Plus, something I have learned over the years is that you need to taper hormones up then back down. The reason is not for your safety, but because I've noticed more consistent gains as I tapered up and I've noticed better results in keeping those gains by tapering down gradually as well. Easier on the mind and body if you ask me.
So IGF -1 is better than the lr3 because it actually makes the muscle bigger not just act as a nutrient absorbent?
I've only really seen people do lr3 and the des version. I've never heard of somebody taking IGF 1. I clearly have to research
I'm under the impression that IGF lr3 is superior because its longer acting and more stable and wouldn't raise and drop ur blood sugar. People use it on keto and before going to bed.
Other sites will tell you that it has a half-life in days, but for whatever reason PA is convinced it has a 3-4 hr half-life instead.
Either way, there is ONE THING that I know is true from my own experience - the stuff doesn't cause muscle proliferation on the spot like some want to think. It just doesn't. Good ole fashioned IGF-1 human pharma grade does this, and in much, much smaller doses.
LR3 does however have good nutrient partitioning effects which is what you really need anyways for good muscle growth. Nutrient partitioning is probably 50% of the reason why steroids are so effective at creating muscle and burning fat. So it's a very positive effect.
I can't find any IGF-1 especially pharma grade. It seems the only IGF form out is lr3 and des.
random thought- does the IGF elavation (im sure it would dramatic) from HGH cause liver stress? especially if i plan on taking an oral at some point with the HGH? or am i not reasoning correctly.
and OP, sorry bro ive been hijacking ur thread. i just hope its good info for anyone interested in HGH.