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    Hey everyone, this is my first log. Weight gain is the goal as lean as possible with an ideal end weight at 180-190 and 10% BF. Let me know whacha think and if you have any questions. I started the log two days ago so I will catch up the posts.

    Research Subject (RS) Starting Stats
    Weight: 168
    Body Fat%: 9%
    Height: 5' 9"
    Bicep: 13 1/8"
    Thigh: 21 1/2"
    Calf: 14"
    Waist: 35"
    Neck: 16"
    Chest: 41"
    Chest Expanded: 44"

    Starting Levels (natural unboosted):
    LH - 5.0 (1.7-8.6)
    FSH - 2.7 (1.5-12.4)
    Testosterone, Serum - 1395 (280-800)
    Estradiol - 55.3 (7.6-42.6)

    Dosing
    GHRP-6 - 150mcg 2x per day to start. Once before bed and once after gym
    CJC-1293 - 100mcg 2x per day. Same time as GHRP
    I plan to do at least two months but I may adjust the doses/reduce supply.

    Diet
    About 4000cals per day as lean as possible.
    Cissus for cortisol control, Animal Flex for joints, and a multi-vitamin.
    I have been doing 5g of Creatine for the last month.
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    Final Results. (Stopped short due to illness)

    I got Coxsackievirus following my last post and could not eat anything but ice pops for 2 weeks. I got giant ulcers all over my mouth and throat and had to stay in bed for almost a week straight. After that I kinda fell of the face of the earth and had a work schedule change which prevented me from working out and eating good. Obviously lost all my muscle gains over the log but the BF% stayed low. Kinda a catastrophic fail for me but results did seem promising.

    Summary: Good muscle gains. BF calipers said 1% gain in BF but i didn't see it. I felt a lot bigger at the end. I didn't feel way stronger but a lot harder. I will def run it again in the future.

    Day 16

    BP: 125/74
    HR: 66
    BF%: 10% (+1)
    Weight:173 (+5)
    Temp: 99.2

    Notes: I don't know why the weight is so high. Weigh in was the same time as always and not immediate post meal. Headaches are going away. Sub's workout was a little down, just couldn't get any kind of pump going.

    Final Measurements

    Bicep: 14" (+7/8")
    Thigh: 21 3/4" (+1/4")
    Calf: 15" (+1")
    Waist: 15 1/2" (+1/2")
    Neck: 17" (+1")
    Chest: 42" (+1")
    Chest Expanded: 44" (+0)
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    Day 1

    Pre First Dose

    BP: 139/79
    HR: 74 BPM
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 168
    Temp: 98.0

    After First dose:
    Log subject appeared flushed, temp rose about 2 degrees in 2 hours.
    One hour after dose subject ate a large meal. No other noticeable sides.
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    Day 2

    BP: 135/85
    HR: 72 BPM
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 168
    Temp: 98.0

    Notes: Subject slept very deeply when dosed before bed but appeared slightly flushed and had a minor elevated temp. Sub again had a huge appetite after dosing post workout. (2000cal meal)
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    Day 3

    BP:129/89
    HR: 69
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 169
    Temp:97.7

    Notes: Sub has chronic mild headaches possibly related to reduced caffeine intake. Sub is developing minor back acne. I will try to reduce subs sodium intake to try to control BP. Subs temp consistently rises about 2 degrees after dosing. Does anyone know if this is normal?
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    Looks pretty good man. How long do you plan on running this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by verrno View Post
    Looks pretty good man. How long do you plan on running this?
    I will run it for about 2 months, more if it is going well and i can get more stuff, less if i feel that I need to up the dose and can't get more. (Can I post the Research Company name or is that a violation?)
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    Day 4

    BP: 134/86
    HR: 63
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 170
    Temp: 97.7

    Day 5

    BP: 129/79
    HR: 71
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 170
    Temp 98.1

    Notes: Headaches are less intense and less frequent but still occurring. All other listed sides are about the same. I am reducing daily calories to about 3500 and there is less felt abdominal bloating. Sub appears slightly larger and fuller. Sub just got three new stretch marks on the front of the hips. (very rare for sub)
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    Day 6

    BP: 140/78
    HR: 73
    BF%: 9-10%
    Weight: 170
    Temp: 99.3

    Day 7 (added 2IU of Slin)

    BP: 141/76
    HR: 68
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 171
    Temp 98.5


    The last 3 days were a bit of a drag. No more caffeine headaches and reduced sodium intake but BP has stayed high. Sub seemed fatigued during workouts and did not get great pumps. Weight stayed about the same until yesterday so I added Humulin-R Slin at 2IU post workout. I will increase by 1IU each workout until I hit 7IU. This will hopefully adjust for the difficulty in keeping carbs high without the sodium. I am hoping BP will drop a little soon.
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    Can't wait to see results as I'm putting money aside to buy a six month run of these two peptides. Keep it up. I wouldn't call yourself "subject" though. It makes you sound like a wanker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzLightyear View Post
    Can't wait to see results as I'm putting money aside to buy a six month run of these two peptides. Keep it up. I wouldn't call yourself "subject" though. It makes you sound like a wanker.
    I kind of enjoy it, actually. Gives an air of erudition to the whole affair
    Paging Dr. Banner. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzLightyear View Post
    Can't wait to see results as I'm putting money aside to buy a six month run of these two peptides. Keep it up. I wouldn't call yourself "subject" though. It makes you sound like a wanker.
    I never said i was talking about myself. These are research chems "not approved for use on humans." Maybe I have a very large test rat that works out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdog45ak View Post
    I never said i was talking about myself. These are research chems "not approved for use on humans." Maybe I have a very large test rat that works out.
    Ah, the old lab rat experiment. Nice.
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    huh good gains in a short amount of time !

    I'm 22, should I run GHRP6 plus CJC ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    huh good gains in a short amount of time !

    I'm 22, should I run GHRP6 plus CJC ?
    So far the gains seem normal to the calorie intake. I can't make any solid statements this early but it appears that the pro-GHs are just keeping the gains clean and the fat gains down. I am just a poor researcher and this is an inexpensive log. I got 20mg of GHRP-6 for about $16 and the 16mg of CJC-1293 for about $26. (...yes i know that is unreasonably cheap... No I havn't had it tested to see if its legit, but I have heard the company owner is reputable)
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    Day 8

    BP: 131/80
    HR: 73
    BF%9
    Weight: 171
    Temp: 98.1

    Notes: Good intensity on workout. Calories will be reduced to about 2700 (previous maintenance amount) for a little while. I hope to bring cals back up soon but I am having difficulty fitting in enough meals to keep em up due to transportation/scheduling issues.

    Day 9

    BP: 122/83
    HR: 78
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 171
    Temp: 99.2

    Notes: Headaches are almost all gone. Body acne has increased slightly more. Skin appears slightly smoother. Normal body creases and wrinkles are less noticeable (especially at inside of elbows and middle of stomach).

    Day 10

    BP:126/78
    HR: 68
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 170
    Temp: 99.0

    Notes: Yes, that is a weight loss of one pound. I believe it is due to the reduced cals as mentioned above. I am disappointed but there is no way around it for now. I am hoping that the increased Insulin will help adjust for the reduced cals once I get to 7IU post workout with carbs.

    Day 11

    BP: 130/91
    HR: 67
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 170
    Temp: 98.8

    Notes: Good workout. Sub seems stronger than beginning of cycle. I will post actual strength gains at end of cycle. Subs major muscle groups appear larger/fuller. I am still trying to fit in more cals per day but am having the same scheduling difficulties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdog45ak View Post
    Day 8

    BP: 131/80
    HR: 73
    BF%9
    Weight: 171
    Temp: 98.1

    Notes: Good intensity on workout. Calories will be reduced to about 2700 (previous maintenance amount) for a little while. I hope to bring cals back up soon but I am having difficulty fitting in enough meals to keep em up due to transportation/scheduling issues.

    Day 9

    BP: 122/83
    HR: 78
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 171
    Temp: 99.2

    Notes: Headaches are almost all gone. Body acne has increased slightly more. Skin appears slightly smoother. Normal body creases and wrinkles are less noticeable (especially at inside of elbows and middle of stomach).

    Day 10

    BP:126/78
    HR: 68
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 170
    Temp: 99.0

    Notes: Yes, that is a weight loss of one pound. I believe it is due to the reduced cals as mentioned above. I am disappointed but there is no way around it for now. I am hoping that the increased Insulin will help adjust for the reduced cals once I get to 7IU post workout with carbs.

    Day 11

    BP: 130/91
    HR: 67
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 170
    Temp: 98.8

    Notes: Good workout. Sub seems stronger than beginning of cycle. I will post actual strength gains at end of cycle. Subs major muscle groups appear larger/fuller. I am still trying to fit in more cals per day but am having the same scheduling difficulties.
    Anymore updates?? Hows the cycle going?
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    Why not CJC-1295?

    also, might want to try adding Huperzine A into your cycle. It's cheap ($5-10) and is OTC and makes your GHRP/GHRH more effective by inhibiting somatostatin which is responsible for inhibiting GH release.

    Appropriate dosage would bt 50-150mcg per day. Yes, the pills are dosed in mcg.
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    man it's been a while, wtf happened to your cycle !
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    Hey all, sorry my sub got sick for the last couple weeks with some kind of gastro virus. It was horrible. During that time I did not keep good records. Body fat% has stayed the same. BP has stayed approximately the same throughout. HR has been up in the upper 70s most of the time. Temp has ranged low to high depending on the day. I cut the peptides completely after a few days into the illness because I felt it was a waste since the sub couldn't work out or maintain a proper diet. I am sorry if this ruins the log but I am sure I am more disappointed than anyone.
    On a positive note, normally when Sub gets sick he loses a VERY large amount of weight (5-10lbs) however this time Sub did not lose ANY weight from the time of the last dose (still at 170). I am guessing the weight has maintained because of the effects of increased IGF levels promoting new muscle growth. There has been a small loss of strength since last dose.
    I will continue from day 11 to day 12 being back to 100% and with peps again.

    Day 12
    BP: 136/86
    HR: 76
    BF%: 9%
    Weight: 170
    Temp: 99.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Why not CJC-1295?

    also, might want to try adding Huperzine A into your cycle. It's cheap ($5-10) and is OTC and makes your GHRP/GHRH more effective by inhibiting somatostatin which is responsible for inhibiting GH release.

    Appropriate dosage would bt 50-150mcg per day. Yes, the pills are dosed in mcg.
    I did the CJC-1293 because i've read that it stays active for about the same amount of time as the GHRP so you get less GH released between doses so you get a larger spike on doses. I hadn't heard of Huperzine A but it looks interesting. I may add it. Does anyone have any good reads on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdog45ak View Post
    I did the CJC-1293 because i've read that it stays active for about the same amount of time as the GHRP so you get less GH released between doses so you get a larger spike on doses. I hadn't heard of Huperzine A but it looks interesting. I may add it. Does anyone have any good reads on it?
    Usually I tear someone a new a$$hole for not being able to do their own google searching...but i'm feeling generous today

    http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/t...y/page__st__30

    http://pjspeptidepage.blogspot.com/2...-hurezine.html

    http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00002/art00009

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatostatin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huperzine_A

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylc...rase_inhibitor
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    Some questions Bros !

    1- Is that a normal dose ? like a dose that most people do ?

    2- Do you need to fridge GHRp and CJC ? do you mix with BA or AA ?

    3- what's the difference between CJC 1293 and 1295 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    Some questions Bros !

    1- Is that a normal dose ? like a dose that most people do ?

    A good place to start is 100mcg of GHRP/CJC per day. You can adjust from there as the cycle goes on.

    2- Do you need to fridge GHRp and CJC ? do you mix with BA or AA ?

    Just use BAC. .5 ml per 1g of peptide.

    1 IU = .01 ml

    so if you have 2g of pep then add 1ml of BAC.

    2g = 2000mcg. 2000mcg * 1 IU = 20mcg. 5 iu = 100mcg

    3- what's the difference between CJC 1293 and 1295 ?
    Research. Just know you want modified GRF(1-29). I'd love to explain this further but I simply do not have the time right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Research. Just know you want modified GRF(1-29). I'd love to explain this further but I simply do not have the time right now.
    CJC 1293 GRF 1-29 is better than CJC 1295 DAC????

    2 more questions

    1- do you need to fridge?

    2- How do you know when to adjust the dosage and use more ?

    Thanks man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    CJC 1293 GRF 1-29 is better than CJC 1295 DAC????
    Yes, for men it is.

    2 more questions

    1- do you need to fridge?
    Yes.

    2- How do you know when to adjust the dosage and use more ?

    You can split 100mcg 3x per day. Trying more than 100-200mcg at once and you will feel some major head rushes and tingling in your hands, With GHRP-6 that is. Not only that but the hunger pains won't be as bad when splitting the doses up to 100mcg 3x per day. Don't eat any carbs or fats within about 45 minutes before dosing and about 30 minutes after dosing. Pure protein is fine.

    Thanks man
    Try 100mcg for the first few days and find your tolerances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorsn View Post
    Try 100mcg for the first few days and find your tolerances.
    Thanks, and why not take carbs ?

    and how long do I need to run this stack ?

    wanna gain 10lbs of solid mass by summer ... Im lean already
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorsn View Post
    Try 100mcg for the first few days and find your tolerances.
    GHRP-2 is better than GHRP-6. You'll see less side effects and better results - it gives a much better GH pulse than GHRP-6.

    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    Thanks, and why not take carbs ?

    and how long do I need to run this stack ?

    wanna gain 10lbs of solid mass by summer ... Im lean already
    Carbs and Fat blunt GH release. This is why it's best to pin upon waking, PWO, and before bed.

    So for the AM and PWO dose, just wait 30 mins before eating and then do whatever you want. GH will peak 30 mins after administration. And it's okay to mix the GHRH & GHRP in the same slin needle.
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    Day 13

    BP: 136/80
    HR: 71
    BF%: 9%
    Weight:170
    Temp: 98.9

    Notes: Good workout with great pumps. Sub feels better getting back into things. Energy is high, sleep is good and hunger is going back up. Sub looks "bulkier" than ever in a good way but i do think fat% is up even if the calp doesn't. Since this is a gain cycle i don't mind if there is some fat gains especially considering how hard ANY gains have been in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Usually I tear someone a new a$$hole for not being able to do their own google searching...but i'm feeling generous today
    lol, sorry I was feelin lazy. Stuff looks good, i'll try to add it in a couple days. Thanks for the tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdog45ak View Post
    lol, sorry I was feelin lazy. Stuff looks good, i'll try to add it in a couple days. Thanks for the tip.
    I'd wait until you've at least been on the GHRP/CJC for 30 days like they suggest....just so you can notice the difference and any potential sides that may come up
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    can you get GH gut from these stuff ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    can you get GH gut from these stuff ?
    man you guys suck at looking things up for yourselves I had the answer to this in 5 mins via google

    Taken from another thread on another forum....from the master himself....

    Acromelagy (GH Gut) can only occur if you are predisposed to it (i.e. have the gene) in which case you will likely have already been exhibiting symptoms of this disease. Any GH (including your own natural production) can exacerbate symptoms.

    As for the GH gut that is something that may occur from chronically high levels of IGF-1. High levels of IGF-1 would come about from chronically high levels of GH.

    ...possibilities sure at much higher chronic dose levels when combined with a factor that will exacerbate growth effects...a factor such as insulin...
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    I hate the GH gut, why the hell would someone want to have bigger muscles and also have a ****roach belly gut... nasty mofos lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    I hate the GH gut, why the hell would someone want to have bigger muscles and also have a ****roach belly gut... nasty mofos lol
    lol, "****roach" like on family guy "D*ck VanD*ke"

    Ditto what Dark said on the GH gut. I've read that high levels of cortisol can also contribute to visceral adipose fat tissues around yer guts and add to the "GH gut" look.
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    Day 14

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    Notes: I think there is some water retention especially on subs abs. I am guessing this is the reason for the increased weight and possibly for the increase on the fat% calps.

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    Notes: Weight has stayed up. Gains appear wet for now. Sub is having minor headaches occasionally.
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    bro do you know you can only get 100mcg out of GHRP6 at a time ? The rest get wasted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    bro do you know you can only get 100mcg out of GHRP6 at a time ? The rest get wasted
    That's broscience my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    That's broscience my friend.
    what's a broscience my friend ? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusrulezzz View Post
    what's a broscience my friend ? lol
    I believe you are trying to say that 100mcg is the saturation dose and that there is diminished returns on amounts over 100mcg. In that case, you could be correct. However, GHRP is cheap and diminished returns are still returns. I do not believe that from what i have read that more that 100mcg is wasted completely.
  

  
 

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