[markandy75]

Guys i have been facing a situation for last 34 years that i have not shared with anyone and maybe i can use some expert help here, i had 1 undecended testicle which was operated and removed so i grew up on another one. I grew up fine in terms of height and features, i am 6-1 260 pounds ......so i tend to believe that i did not had problem with my GH, the problem is that although i grew normal in all other areas my overall genital growth was not normal i am small by all means, i think this could be because of low testosterone growing up.

My problem, if i try to boost my testosterone using meds it will shut me down completely given my body can only produce so much testosterone, i am well grown in terms of other physical features other then my genital growth so does it mean HGH has no role in genital growth....

What should i take to give my body an environement where it can compensate for lost testicle and produce all hormones naturally and not cause shut down and make me feel like regular guy

[vaporeized]

this is an interesting question. I had some ideas, but its your last comment that has me really thinking. Would hate to say, buy trib or zinc mono (ZMA) and have it do absolutley nothing.

"What should i take to give my body an environement where it can compensate for lost testicle and produce all hormones naturally and not cause shut down and make me feel like regular guy "


I am just wondering, if you were to take some sort of gear (regardless of what it is) or were to take some new form of PH, again, regardless of what it is, this most likely will produce some effects. The problem that you may have is after the cycle, wil your body shut down completely, regardless of what you take. there are 100's of supps you can take, but IMO, i would really talk to a DR. The last thing you want to do, is shut your body down for a quick 5-10 lb gain. Only to lose it all plus more.

As far as your pct, would you have to take more then the normal person with a pair?

If anything, as I said, Trib and ZMA are natural so that might be helpful.

If i find anything, ill post back, maybe someone else may have more info.

[Bobaslaw]

Originally Posted by markandy75

Guys i have been facing a situation for last 34 years that i have not shared with anyone and maybe i can use some expert help here, i had 1 undecended testicle which was operated and removed so i grew up on another one. I grew up fine in terms of height and features, i am 6-1 260 pounds ......so i tend to believe that i did not had problem with my GH, the problem is that although i grew normal in all other areas my overall genital growth was not normal i am small by all means, i think this could be because of low testosterone growing up.

My problem, if i try to boost my testosterone using meds it will shut me down completely given my body can only produce so much testosterone, i am well grown in terms of other physical features other then my genital growth so does it mean HGH has no role in genital growth....

What should i take to give my body an environement where it can compensate for lost testicle and produce all hormones naturally and not cause shut down and make me feel like regular guy

Interesting. How old were you when your testilce was removed?
DatBtrue just recently posted in another thread regarding a condition called "micropenis" or "microphallus". It occurs during pubertal genital growth when there is an insufficiency of DHT, an important regulator of genital growth during this key period.
It would just be speculation that this is something that may have effected you if you had one functional testicle during this time. More important would be knowing whether your testosterone levels may have been low thus causing less conversion to DHT at that time.

As far as your current levels and what to do? Go get some hormone testing and see what your levels are. Then go from there. If you need HRT, you need HRT... If not, then you can consider other methods to get the most out of what you have.

Take Care.

[markandy75]

Thank you, finally someone was kind enough to respond. I have the best doctor in town treating me as i have good insurance but his treatment is old school take TRT dont worry about shutdown; maybe that is the way but i want something more creative where i can give my body more raw material to make more hormone.

I have tried ZMA , Trib even Epistane they all help natural supps cause test increase but they also increase estrogen conversion because the body is used to low test and converts excess to estrogen. Testim or epistane causes shutdown.

I do agree that i may have had low DHT growing up to have small gential, what the hell i will call it to for what it is ...i have small penis.

Here is what i am thinking, one testis is like driving a v-4 car and not v-6...in traditional sense your engine can only prouce so much power before being overworked and shut own. But here is what i think; like when you modify 4 cylinder you can use same engine to generate more power with same engine size ........what i am looking for is how can i modify my body to have it produce more test keep estrogen low naturally by modification......i am open to trying peptides or anything cutting edge that can help and i can spend money.

What will be nice is if i can some how start my puberty again ........ i am open to any suggestions, one thing i have learned is that i have read and learned lot more things here then i did from my doctor.

[papapumpsd]

Originally Posted by markandy75

Thank you, finally someone was kind enough to respond. I have the best doctor in town treating me as i have good insurance but his treatment is old school take TRT dont worry about shutdown; maybe that is the way but i want something more creative where i can give my body more raw material to make more hormone.

I have tried ZMA , Trib even Epistane they all help natural supps cause test increase but they also increase estrogen conversion because the body is used to low test and converts excess to estrogen. Testim or epistane causes shutdown.

I do agree that i may have had low DHT growing up to have small gential, what the hell i will call it to for what it is ...i have small penis.

Here is what i am thinking, one testis is like driving a v-4 car and not v-6...in traditional sense your engine can only prouce so much power before being overworked and shut own. But here is what i think; like when you modify 4 cylinder you can use same engine to generate more power with same engine size ........what i am looking for is how can i modify my body to have it produce more test keep estrogen low naturally by modification......i am open to trying peptides or anything cutting edge that can help and i can spend money.

What will be nice is if i can some how start my puberty again ........ i am open to any suggestions, one thing i have learned is that i have read and learned lot more things here then i did from my doctor.

Sounds like you need to move!

[dsade]

Damn...some new areas here, for sure, and you are asking about basically the holy grail.

Androgen levels are not the only keys to growth...look at androgen receptor density and sensitivity.

A promising area here is Carnitine and it's salts - especially, for some reason, L-Carnitine-L-Tartarate.

Another area of interest is NO sensitivity, as well as connective tissue pliability. Nothing systemic there in the second one, but fruit based anti-oxidants and ESPECIALLY procyanidins/proANTHOcyanidins are showing promise with effects on ARs.

I sympathize with you, my friend.

[MentalTwitch]

as Dsade said, i am glad a new area is coming up like this.
If youre anywhere near Chicago i recomend coming to find a Dr. we have some great ones.
Best of luck and dont worry about being embarassed, wht you did took alot and i respect that and that youre opening a new area to talk about.
Best of luck.

[datBtrue]

My opinion is that IF your testosterone production has been low your entire life and IF your phrase "feel like a regular guy" is indicative of lack of energy, low mood, lower sex drive, etc. ...all things that are symptomatic of an abnormally low male hormonal profile then you will not be able to do what nature could not.

Think of it this way...what you are asking is for a method to substantially elevate your own testosterone production chronically. You want this because you are flying a single engine prop plane.

But almost every guy on the bodybuilding forums want that as well and most of them are flying dual engine jets.

"They" have found nothing that compares to exogenic administration of hormones.

DSADE said it best, you are asking for the holy grail.

I don't want to discourage you but the ideas you came to the board with (i.e. growth hormone, peptides...) are inadequate to the task.

You never had adequate testosterone levels so there is no baseline from the past that you can "attempt" to get back to... no Clomid therapy or any type of restorative therapy is worth trying because there is nothing to restore.

You say your doctor is "old school" but I see his willingness to prescribe testosterone to you to bring you into a normal range as "progressive". If you want to feel better you need to have normal levels of testosterone circulating and the only way (in my opinion) that THAT is going to happen is by administering it exogenically.

[markandy75]

Here is my problem, if i take natural supps like ZMA and 6OXO and trib my test goes up to normal range ......even otherwise i have lot of energy, i am very positive and overall mood is always calm. I dont feel that i have low test but on other had, i do suffer with ED at times and that could be diabetes complication too and i do have gyno....so i am confused is it really test or is it really something else that i am missing.......honestly i am pretty strong guy in terms of physical strength and build ......i m just confused, my 1st step that i need help is to reduce my estrogen conversion over time without reducing the test production comin from my single prop engine as someone put it; if i can somehow do that i will be able to get more test from my production house without paying overtime......if i can do that i will be good to get to go to next step

[datBtrue]

Originally Posted by markandy75

......i m just confused, my 1st step that i need help is to reduce my estrogen conversion over time without reducing the test production comin from my single prop engine as someone put it; if i can somehow do that i will be able to get more test from my production house without paying overtime......if i can do that i will be good to get to go to next step

You mentioned diabetes.

I assume you have a fat pad with tissue that is insulin resistant.

In that fat pad resides the enzymes that will convert testosterone to estrogen.

You need to reduce/eliminate that fat pad.

So what is your plan to do that? How will you accomplish an elimination of fat in your mid-section and a 10% overall bodyfat ratio?

Also it is estradiol (E2) that seems to be responsible in part for male sexual function. Too much or too little has a negative effect. The sweet spot is low-mid 20's. What is your level?

Hormonal balance, making your tissue less insulin resistant, reducing the negative impact of insulin all will play a role in making you feel better.

So what is diet plan?

[xtraflossy]

"the problem is that although i grew normal in all other areas my overall genital growth was not normal i am small by all means, i think this could be because of low testo..."

I don't want to be the ass here, but am I the only one who read his question to be more along the lines of increasing his penis??
He clearly said that he is physicially advanced in all other areas.

I'm not tring to call anyone out, but I (and the rest of the community) would rather helkp directly with an issue, then indirectly.

There are MANY causes for ED. stress, high blood preasure, low blood preasure, low hormone levels. My bad spelling has been known to drop wood a few times.

You very well could have a low hormone level, or it could be normal. IT could be at acceptable levels yet one is imballenced.

If your looking to basicly throw your body back into puberty we don't appear to have that technology down just yet.

Penis enlargement has been discussed very professionally around here before- and also humorously. there's something for everyone on that topic

One other cause for ED that could very likely be a contributing factor is the fact you know you have one testy and you THINK it would be effecting your sex life. Just becasue a few time you can't get it up doesn't mean there is a perminate problem.
I think if you seriously look into the ED, you may have a much more clear idea of some of the other things going on; only becasue so many things are tied into your penis.

Just eliminate ED for the moment, and what are you left with?
..a little gyno from childhood? ,..has it gotten worse?
Weakness?
depression?
Do you find yourself crying during the morning news? lol



The concern I have here in this case is we are all so quick to tie our penises to hormones (which much of the time is a good indicator- but not always)

[markandy75]

i am not worried about Size i can take care of it with surgery, i am more worried about balancing my own hormone profile, i dont want to swing between taking supps to feel good loose weight and and then when i stop them go on rebound ......i am going to try few things and will let you know how it goes.

[comacho]

Originally Posted by markandy75

Guys i have been facing a situation for last 34 years that i have not shared with anyone and maybe i can use some expert help here, i had 1 undecended testicle which was operated and removed so i grew up on another one. I grew up fine in terms of height and features, i am 6-1 260 pounds ......so i tend to believe that i did not had problem with my GH, the problem is that although i grew normal in all other areas my overall genital growth was not normal i am small by all means, i think this could be because of low testosterone growing up.

My problem, if i try to boost my testosterone using meds it will shut me down completely given my body can only produce so much testosterone, i am well grown in terms of other physical features other then my genital growth so does it mean HGH has no role in genital growth....

What should i take to give my body an environement where it can compensate for lost testicle and produce all hormones naturally and not cause shut down and make me feel like regular guy

it's not out yet.

wait like 10 more years.

until then testosterone replacement therapy? if you dont like that idea then live with it sorry dude as like others have said thats like a dream supplement. I wish i bleed testosterone and igf lol

[datBtrue]

Originally Posted by comacho

I wish i bleed testosterone and igf lol

In the U.S. if you bled testosterone into a vial you would be a criminal but put the testosterone back into your body and you are no longer a criminal.