Well I am saying that the original product was different than what was released or the original logs were a front, either way I just started talking about it this week cause im pissed and im glad these people are speaking up about the bull**** they've went through. I guess your right other products are ****ty too I guess they really got us huh? Well **** them too then and why would u not want to blow up there threads day after day. U really want to just let it go because other companies do it too? U think its not their fault? Do u really think there has been a single person with gains from this product?