Im a big fan of Seth's book. I learned alot reading it and a check back on things often. I, like you, remember seeing it in the book, and as soon as IBE announced this, I looked back and read what Seth said.
Extremely strong - Check - Nothing IBE tried to hide
Milligram dosing - Check - IBE announced this level of dosing
His strongest warning comes from the fact that it was removed from the market as a pharmaceutical compound due to the liver toxicity. Superdrol, one of the most praised compounds (outside of illegal AAS) on these boards, is also dimethyl, and requires a dosage in the 10mg-30mg range. Some have hit 40, and even 50mg (though I consider this nuts). I wouldn't be as dramatically concerned with the liver toxicity, or at least any more than superdrol. All it takes to combat this is a well planned cycle and support supplements (Insert Liver Juice plug here- )
As for the estrogenic sides, there are many compounds that run this risk. Two ways to handle that situation, be proactive and counteract the negative effects with your choice of AI/etc. or avoid this compound and search for something that won't convert. The compound certainly isnt for everyone, but I wouldn't goto the extreme of condemning it on Seth's words alone.
P.S. I have no reason to plug this product, and am not affiliated with IBE in anyway, I am just adding my 2 cents. I won't be using this compound anytime soon (I'm still an SD virgin-though not for too much longer), but thats not to say I won't pick up a bottle of it to keep around for a rainy day.
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I seen someone say SD makes you feel like crap and therefore more toxic, then compares the feeling of Boladrol to Anadrol, which is the only steroid with documented liver cancer.
EDIT: ah damn, I didn't realize I was in your forum IBE. I will leave this up so i can read your response, but will not post again in here.
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That said, I have no intention of trying this
i think ppl should remember the fact that IBE has always put out great products.. i highly doubt they would introduce a 'toxic liver destroyer' intentionally. we'll have to wait for the actual blood tests and logs to confirm/deny any rumors about the compound
The feds are doing what they have always been doing... There are "supplements" being released with more then 3 or 4 compounds in a single pill and you think THIS is going to push the fda to crackdown on the industry?
N you keep saying "trust SR" but the side was talking about a diff compound at a different dose... The diol on this compound week certainly change things and a reasonable dose wont bring near the detrimental effects of 10-15 times that dose suggested in other studies.
Really the fear mongering regarding this supp alone as being the thing that's going to destroy the industry is absolutely ridiculous.... I would much rather see sd go then m1t.
I agree with you to a point. But, the companies putting out crap are fly by night companies. Not proven companies that have been around like IBE. That's what I'm saying; why is IBE contributing to the crap being put out by putting out another methylated oral that will be abused by teens and then we all pay the price.
If anything , I wish IBE would wait until the others are gone(next year I hear ) and then throw it out there . It will take at least another year for the Feds to legally make it go away. Any way, peace....
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BTW, here is what P. Arnold said about Boladiol, and is why I thought it a bad move to market it (besides the aformentioned side effects and health issues).
"it would be easy to prepare from bolasterone. i would expect it to have very good conversion to the active
but seriously, the days of prohormones - especially non natural ones like this - are essentially over".
Some people in here have brought up toxicity as well but once again if you aren't abusing it and you are taking proper precautions with things like NAC then there should never be a problem. I see people taking 100mg Epistane for 4 weeks, it is insane. Superdrol and M1T have been some of the most toxic compounds to come to the market and they are probably still the two most popular compounds in the world.
I also want to mention that just because this is a "dimethyl" compound it does not mean it is twice as toxic. The number of methyl groups does not correlate with toxicity, the only one that matters is in the 17 position and it is always like comparing apples to oranges when you look at one compared to the other.
I can tell you this though, this stuff is insanely potent, I have followed a few of the testers in person and it is crazy. It seriously is like the "old school stuff", good, fast gains, great feeling, and great aggression.
Ultradrol Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...pressured.html