Boladrol - A Brand New PH from IBE!
- 10-13-2010, 09:36 PM
I agree with you to a point. But, the companies putting out crap are fly by night companies. Not proven companies that have been around like IBE. That's what I'm saying; why is IBE contributing to the crap being put out by putting out another methylated oral that will be abused by teens and then we all pay the price.
If anything , I wish IBE would wait until the others are gone(next year I hear ) and then throw it out there . It will take at least another year for the Feds to legally make it go away. Any way, peace....
- 10-13-2010, 09:37 PM
- 10-13-2010, 10:32 PM
10-14-2010, 02:49 AM
10-14-2010, 03:01 AM
10-14-2010, 04:20 AM
BTW, here is what P. Arnold said about Boladiol, and is why I thought it a bad move to market it (besides the aformentioned side effects and health issues).
"it would be easy to prepare from bolasterone. i would expect it to have very good conversion to the active
but seriously, the days of prohormones - especially non natural ones like this - are essentially over".
10-14-2010, 10:21 AM
10-14-2010, 10:33 AM
10-14-2010, 02:18 PM
10-15-2010, 09:42 AM
Some people in here have brought up toxicity as well but once again if you aren't abusing it and you are taking proper precautions with things like NAC then there should never be a problem. I see people taking 100mg Epistane for 4 weeks, it is insane. Superdrol and M1T have been some of the most toxic compounds to come to the market and they are probably still the two most popular compounds in the world.
I also want to mention that just because this is a "dimethyl" compound it does not mean it is twice as toxic. The number of methyl groups does not correlate with toxicity, the only one that matters is in the 17 position and it is always like comparing apples to oranges when you look at one compared to the other.
I can tell you this though, this stuff is insanely potent, I have followed a few of the testers in person and it is crazy. It seriously is like the "old school stuff", good, fast gains, great feeling, and great aggression.
10-15-2010, 11:51 AM
10-15-2010, 11:57 AM
10-15-2010, 12:04 PM
10-15-2010, 12:14 PM
10-15-2010, 12:15 PM
I will be logging my run in a few weeks, just getting everything else together and waiting the the bottle the was promissed to ship ; ) come on baby
10-15-2010, 12:16 PM
10-15-2010, 01:09 PM
10-15-2010, 01:16 PM
I would still like to know the difference between Havoc and Epistane, as stated in post #38. I would prefer not to be ignorant on the subject as some suggest that I am.. I would prefer a pm as to not hijack this thread any further.
10-15-2010, 01:27 PM
Test bottles should be received by next week. There should be more than one honest report. judging by the strength of this, experienced guys should be feeling it within 7-10 days. Should be good.
10-15-2010, 01:48 PM
10-15-2010, 03:07 PM
So for ANYONE to say this is toxic is ignorant and completely guessing. Frankly you can't look at a compound and determine toxicity, if that were the case there would be no need for pharmacodynamic studies or phase 1 clinical trials.
And to discredit what was said about "we didn't know how toxic they were going to be" with things like superdrol, we 100% did. I was around in those times and MULTIPLE beta testers came back with insane bloodwork, HDL levels less than 10, LDL greater than 225, liver enzymes twice to three times upper limit normal, etc. and that was before the product was released. People still bought it and still buy it today. Same with dymethazine, that is one we could "somewhat" predict due to how closely related it was to superdrol.
Logs should be out today or this coming week, some people already got it. Check PHF, BB.com, and AM.
10-15-2010, 03:43 PM
10-15-2010, 03:58 PM
I gave up on pointing this out to people a while ago. It just gets old for one to repeat himself over and over...and there are a few gurus on here that quote dimethylation as the reason for increased hepatotoxicity and they post WAY more than I do. It was just a lost cause...
EDIT: I was just told that 7c alkylation will cause hepatotoxicity in the likes of 17c alkylation. I've never read this before.Oh my. Caffeine is TRI-METHYLATED!!!
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
10-15-2010, 05:55 PM
10-15-2010, 06:45 PM
I just want to reiterate the fact that anything that is abused can cause problems, even water! So enjoy these things but don't go crazy with your dosing and don't take it for long amounts of time. I have always found that 2-3 weeks is fine for me, I take a break and I am ready to go again, no PCT needed especially on the 2 weekers.
10-16-2010, 04:43 AM
10-16-2010, 02:39 PM
I just got my beta samples today! I'll be starting the cycle around Nov. 1st. Waiting on support supps, AI's, etc. I post full details and my background once I get the long going. I'll post a link to the log here.
Can't wait to get started. Haven't been on anything for over a year. Sounds like it will be a beast!
10-16-2010, 02:56 PM
10-16-2010, 06:05 PM
It's about time we got something strong out. I'm tired of SD being the only thing to really get excited about IMO. I'm glad someone finally risked some toxicity issues to deliver something that will work. Any more bottles as I'd love to test this out.
10-17-2010, 12:26 PM
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