PROTOMAX is here, well not here, exactly but..

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    oh Bioman has been around a while and he knows his stuff not doubt.....I think this is just one of those situations as I said that some people have significantly different results from each different hormone....some results can even be unexpected.

    Mr.50
    I wonder if anyone has ever had a total failure to achieve hypertrophy or body recomp while on M1T or Superdrol (legitimately sourced) though? I would contend that if an athlete's nutrition and training are adhered to with utmost dedication, these two compounds cannot vary drastically in their sweeping anabolism and renowned success.

    Just as my personal opinion, I believe when we hear wildly differing end-results from users' protocols... it is overwhelmingly often because of lackluster focus and consistency in training/nutrition/rest, or due to a poorly sourced under-dosed product.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I wonder if anyone has ever had a total failure to achieve hypertrophy or body recomp while on M1T or Superdrol (legitimately sourced) though? I would contend that if an athlete's nutrition and training are adhered to with utmost dedication, these two compounds cannot vary drastically in their sweeping anabolism and renowned success.

    Just as my personal opinion, I believe when we hear wildly differing end-results from users' protocols... it is overwhelmingly often because of lackluster focus and consistency in training/nutrition/rest, or due to a poorly sourced under-dosed product.

    Oh I agree when we take anabolism as the only effect of any aas/ph/ps/ds..... purely looking at weight gain/lbm gain I am sure if all other factors are controlled for we might see similar results (of course individual fiber types and other physiological factors still will contribute to the degree of effects from any compound even with proper nutrition and exercise routine)......but I guess what I am remarking on and the vast difference we here between individual reactions to various different compounds, are mostly in the ancillary effects.....i.e. libido increase or decrease; fatigue or energy; acne or no acne; hair loss or no hair loss; etc.

    Mr.50
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    what I am remarking on and the vast difference we here between individual reactions to various different compounds, are mostly in the ancillary effects.....i.e. libido increase or decrease; fatigue or energy; acne or no acne; hair loss or no hair loss; etc.

    Mr.50
    Oh, I absolutely understand AND agree now. Thanks for clearing that up Mr. 50.

  4. Well I placed my order for Protomax yesterday. I hope to run it some time in the fall since I'm running a cycle now. Are there any logs yet?

  5. I'm 38 and have basically reached my goals. I like TO and other DHT analogues because they are so low maintenance...no gyno worries, low liver impact etc but they put on some nice lean mass and help to burn fat. I run a maintenance cycle perhaps once a year and am not a BBer.
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  6. This compound looks interesting- similar to epithio found in epistane- Which I have used to great success


    I may just have to pick a bottle of this and methyl s up! would this work in the same way as a superdrol bridge into epistane?


    Curious
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html

  7. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Well I placed my order for Protomax yesterday. I hope to run it some time in the fall since I'm running a cycle now. Are there any logs yet?
    I believe Mr. 50 is starting a log up soon.
    IBE/PHF Boladrol - The Most Potent PH in the World - Available Now!

  8. Not far behind you myself .As an older cat we find what works and we stick with it. If it works for ya all the more power to ya and no need in messing with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    I'm 38 and have basically reached my goals. I like TO and other DHT analogues because they are so low maintenance...no gyno worries, low liver impact etc but they put on some nice lean mass and help to burn fat. I run a maintenance cycle perhaps once a year and am not a BBer.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by M16 View Post
    Not far behind you myself .As an older cat we find what works and we stick with it. If it works for ya all the more power to ya and no need in messing with it.
    Any link to this log? I'd like to see how this stuff works, interested in trying it. I like hearing little to no sides

  10. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    Any link to this log? I'd like to see how this stuff works, interested in trying it. I like hearing little to no sides
    A few ProtoMAX logs have been posted a little while ago in the supplement logs section.

    There were some non responders but for the majority of the loggers they had great success and pct was a breeze !

    You can find ProtoMAX at a great low price if you're still interested in buying some.

    Also if you have any questions or concerns you can always PM a rep and we'd be happy to help.


  11. Quote Originally Posted by AK32408 View Post
    A few ProtoMAX logs have been posted a little while ago in the supplement logs section.

    There were some non responders but for the majority of the loggers they had great success and pct was a breeze !

    You can find ProtoMAX at a great low price if you're still interested in buying some.

    Also if you have any questions or concerns you can always PM a rep and we'd be happy to help.

    Ill check the logs out, I will be cycling Epi here soon, i may try protoMAX a few months afterwords. Sounds like nothing to lose

  12. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    Ill check the logs out, I will be cycling Epi here soon, i may try protoMAX a few months afterwords. Sounds like nothing to lose
    Let me say I love IBE and I just bought some Boladrol.....but with that said I have taken Protodrol from IForce and Protomax from IBE and I did not have the same sort of experience from them. I loved Protodrol but I did not have a good experience at all on Protomax. I can not explain it. I spoke with a rep and he indicated IBE had theirs tested for purity and it was good. Wish there could have been a test on the IForce version because I loved it!

    Mr.50

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Let me say I love IBE and I just bought some Boladrol.....but with that said I have taken Protodrol from IForce and Protomax from IBE and I did not have the same sort of experience from them. I loved Protodrol but I did not have a good experience at all on Protomax. I can not explain it. I spoke with a rep and he indicated IBE had theirs tested for purity and it was good. Wish there could have been a test on the IForce version because I loved it!

    Mr.50
    How were the sides and gains on protodrol?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    How were the sides and gains on protodrol?
    Absolutely perfect for me based on my age and where I am in training. Decent mass gains with good strength gains. Drastically increased mood and libido. Body fat loss. Pumps but nothing that would inhibit cardio. No other sides.

    Perfect compound for my physiology. Too bad I cant get it anymore...

    Mr.50

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Absolutely perfect for me based on my age and where I am in training. Decent mass gains with good strength gains. Drastically increased mood and libido. Body fat loss. Pumps but nothing that would inhibit cardio. No other sides.

    Perfect compound for my physiology. Too bad I cant get it anymore...

    Mr.50
    Shoulda stocked up man:/ I wish i could try it, is it discontinued?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    Shoulda stocked up man:/ I wish i could try it, is it discontinued?
    Yes sadly. I had two bottles but they are all gone now.

    Mr.50

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Yes sadly. I had two bottles but they are all gone now.

    Mr.50
    Why was it discontinued?..

  18. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    Why was it discontinued?..
    I guess IForce was getting out of the prohormone business but I wish they would turn somone on to their source and formulation for the original Protodrol.

    Mr.50

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    I guess IForce was getting out of the prohormone business but I wish they would turn somone on to their source and formulation for the original Protodrol.

    Mr.50
    Do you thinking ProtoMAX would have a better effect on someone my weight, and quite new to PH?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    Do you thinking ProtoMAX would have a better effect on someone my weight, and quite new to PH?
    Nah. In my opinion Protodrol and Protomax are not the same compound. And by this I mean that based on my subjective anecdotal evidence they are not the same. And I am not saying that is truth. Its my opinion. Also I am not saying either company duped us or any of that BS. I am just saying that sometimes problems occur in the manufacturing process or with the supplier and what a company thought they were getting turns out not to be what they get. When that happens they may get something better for most users or something worse for most users. You never know.

    So in my opinion if you ran Protomax it may work fine for you or you may be like me and have responded better to Protodrol.

    Mr.50

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Nah. In my opinion Protodrol and Protomax are not the same compound. And by this I mean that based on my subjective anecdotal evidence they are not the same. And I am not saying that is truth. Its my opinion. Also I am not saying either company duped us or any of that BS. I am just saying that sometimes problems occur in the manufacturing process or with the supplier and what a company thought they were getting turns out not to be what they get. When that happens they may get something better for most users or something worse for most users. You never know.

    So in my opinion if you ran Protomax it may work fine for you or you may be like me and have responded better to Protodrol.

    Mr.50
    What did you gain from protomax, or did you gain absolutely nothing?
    also what did you use for PCT for it?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    What did you gain from protomax, or did you gain absolutely nothing?
    also what did you use for PCT for it?
    Oh I made a gain of just under 10 pounds in 4 weeks (keep in mind tissue building wise I respond really well to any compound) which is reasonable but the problem was that I was so lethargic on it, and depressed mood, and lack of libido that the overall experience was not a good one and didnt allow me to get the most out of the cycle because sometimes I was too lethargic to really want to even train.

  23. I always do a thourough PCT with a SARM and and AI reverse dosages on the two. Sometimes I throw in an OTC test booster but I stick with real SARMs and pharmaceutical AIs whenever taking a hormonal compound.

    Mr.50

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    I always do a thourough PCT with a SARM and and AI reverse dosages on the two. Sometimes I throw in an OTC test booster but I stick with real SARMs and pharmaceutical AIs whenever taking a hormonal compound.

    Mr.50
    Clomid work?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    Clomid work?
    Oh yeah....but as you start to decrease the clomid dose you should maybe have an AI available and start to increase the AI as you decrease the clomid.

    Mr.50

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Oh yeah....but as you start to decrease the clomid dose you should maybe have an AI available and start to increase the AI as you decrease the clomid.

    Mr.50
    Ill run 100mg first day, 50mg for the rest of 4 weeks. I should be set

  27. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    Ill run 100mg first day, 50mg for the rest of 4 weeks. I should be set
    I would say for Proto that would be fine

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    I would say for Proto that would be fine
    If you were running Epi what else would you throw in?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by TehProdigy View Post
    If you were running Epi what else would you throw in?
    Epi is only a marginally stronger compound but if I was going to add anything into an epi cycle it would be to add in an AI (like Arimidex etc.) that would slowly ramp up in dosage towards the end of PCT as Clomid was decreasing. Then after a few more weeks I would phase out the AI. This may quite well be overkill for an epi cycle.

    Mr.50

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Epi is only a marginally stronger compound but if I was going to add anything into an epi cycle it would be to add in an AI (like Arimidex etc.) that would slowly ramp up in dosage towards the end of PCT as Clomid was decreasing. Then after a few more weeks I would phase out the AI. This may quite well be overkill for an epi cycle.

    Mr.50
    Better overkill then not enough, how about

    Clomid
    DAA
    Milk Thistle
    Fish Oil
    Creatine
    Taurine?
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