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    Abliderate Advanced vs Eviscerate Smoulder.


    If you had to choose between the two, which would you use to unsheathe abs. I understand that one is for subcutaneous fat while the other is for VAT but how would you discern? I have read that not being able to perform an ab vacuum indicates VAT, is that true? I'm under the impression that at one point I was pre-diabetic (faaaaat kid).


    Would you say I have VAT? I will be doing a log after acquiring either or.

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    Eviscerate will theoretically help reveal your abdominal muscles more, BUT I would opt for abliderate advanced. It is, in my opinion, a superior formula, and anecdotally, I've noticed better benefits with the AA. Also, weirdly enough, I feel that AA didn't affect my VAT too greatly but decreased subcutaneous fat quite a bit.
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    I'm going to use both. Application of Abliderate Advanced first with Eviscerate on immediately following, actually hoping the Abliderate carrier helps absorption of the Evisc a bit, but who knows (also applying the Evisc to pecs).

    I haven't got a chance to use AA yet, but I'm a huge fan of Abliderate and Eviscerate. VAT is the underneath fat while SAT is the stuff you can pinch.

    From the picture I'd say Eviscerate, but Coop's used both and is quite knowledgeable so his words mean quite a bit here. I haven't had a chance to use the AA yet (just getting ready to).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I'm going to use both. Application of Abliderate Advanced first with Eviscerate on immediately following, actually hoping the Abliderate carrier helps absorption of the Evisc a bit, but who knows (also applying the Evisc to pecs).

    I haven't got a chance to use AA yet, but I'm a huge fan of Abliderate and Eviscerate. VAT is the underneath fat while SAT is the stuff you can pinch.

    From the picture I'd say Eviscerate, but Coop's used both and is quite knowledgeable so his words mean quite a bit here. I haven't had a chance to use the AA yet (just getting ready to).
    You will really enjoy it. It is so much more than just topical 7-keto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You will really enjoy it. It is so much more than just topical 7-keto.
    Yeah I'm pretty much starting this Monday. I'm also interested to see how the combination of the two every morning works (AA and Evisc). I know Dsade has said he has used them both before to great results.
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    Many thanks ill be picking up a bottle of AA this week
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    Additional question if you can, what's your take on tta + fish oil, and would it have any negative sides with glycobol? Concerns being with tta I'd assume i should have more fats but with glycobol i shouldn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    Additional question if you can, what's your take on tta + fish oil, and would it have any negative sides with glycobol? Concerns being with tta I'd assume i should have more fats but with glycobol i shouldn't?
    I'm not sure what you're getting at. There's no negative interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I'm not sure what you're getting at. There's no negative interaction.
    I was just under the impression that tta worked better in an omega 3/6 rich environment
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    I was just under the impression that tta worked better in an omega 3/6 rich environment
    Your diet should be rich in those anyway so...yeah
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    I'm currently using both -- 26 days out from my show. The AA REALLY helped get the waistline down (see my earlier posts), and I love the E. as I get further toward my goal.

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    . . . as you see, I have some issues with excess skin left over from when I was obese, but things are coming in.
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    what fantastic results! Anything you can do about the excess skin or is surgery pretty much the only option?
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    Im amazed, great work. Thank you i will definitely be picking up AA and e later when i have more money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    what fantastic results! Anything you can do about the excess skin or is surgery pretty much the only option?
    I'm working on the problem. I have some promising directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    what fantastic results! Anything you can do about the excess skin or is surgery pretty much the only option?
    damn.. if he can do something about that.. that would be unreal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    damn.. if he can do something about that.. that would be unreal!
    Completely agree. My older brother (and a friend) both lost a lot of fat before and struggled with some hanging skin issues. Sucks to see people dominate fat loss and have something like that going on that may require surgery. I wouldn't put much past Matt given his results so interested to see what he has cooking!
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    Hey dsade when will AA be shipping out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Look for a restock of Abliderate Advanced next week.
    From another thread and posted last Friday (3-30)
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    I noticed a skin-tightening effect during both my abliderate advanced runs so I have a feeling dsade will have this taken care of.
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    any other feedback on which would be better?
    also doesnt abliderate lower cortisol? would it make a difference if im already using a sup that controls cort such as erase/erase pro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor View Post
    any other feedback on which would be better?
    also doesnt abliderate lower cortisol? would it make a difference if im already using a sup that controls cort such as erase/erase pro?
    Is there any evidence that erase/pro control cortisol? I'd much rather go with a dedicated transdermal aid. The only overlap I see is effects on estrogen, as topical 7-keto has been demonstrated to lower estrogen quite significantly (~60% if my memory serves me correctly).
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    evidence? idunno maybe shoot natty a pm but those are the claims.. and with how dry my joints get id have to back them up.
    that being said the abliderate doesnt effect cort systemically, correct? anyways i just wasnt sure if id would be a wise combo..might just go with eviscerate
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    i personally feel that erase is better at its cortisol suppression than it is as an AI. But that's on personal experience.

    Now i wonder if both products used together would stunt estrogen too much in a PCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor View Post
    evidence? idunno maybe shoot natty a pm but those are the claims.. and with how dry my joints get id have to back them up.
    that being said the abliderate doesnt effect cort systemically, correct? anyways i just wasnt sure if id would be a wise combo..might just go with eviscerate
    Your joints likely hurt due to the estrogen control to be honest.

    And I guess it depends where you apply the abliderate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Your joints likely hurt due to the estrogen control to be honest.

    And I guess it depends where you apply the abliderate.
    I have run 6 bromo at high doses and felt nothing so i doubt it is due to estrogen suppression. Im up for trial and error though, just waiting until its for sale
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    Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor View Post
    evidence? idunno maybe shoot natty a pm but those are the claims.. and with how dry my joints get id have to back them up.
    that being said the abliderate doesnt effect cort systemically, correct? anyways i just wasnt sure if id would be a wise combo..might just go with eviscerate
    correct. 7-oxo "occupies" the 11b-HSD enzyme locally expressed in adipose tissue which makes it unable to convert cortisone to cortisol. It does not affect systemic cortisol levels.
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    Something in Abliderate Advanced vs. Abliderate that might cause it to "stick" to my shirts? Been applying Abliderate Advanced followed by Eviscerate and it seem to be "catching" my shirt and sticking to it a bit. Not really a big deal in the least bit, just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Something in Abliderate Advanced vs. Abliderate that might cause it to "stick" to my shirts? Been applying Abliderate Advanced followed by Eviscerate and it seem to be "catching" my shirt and sticking to it a bit. Not really a big deal in the least bit, just curious.
    I haven't really noticed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I haven't really noticed that.
    Hmm, two days in and noticing it. You've mentioned before about a hair dryer helping to speed absorption, think I should give this a shot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Hmm, two days in and noticing it. You've mentioned before about a hair dryer helping to speed absorption, think I should give this a shot?
    are you using the eviscerate smolder? hows the burn?? i read a couple reviews saying its pretty bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor View Post
    are you using the eviscerate smolder? hows the burn?? i read a couple reviews saying its pretty bad
    I'm using Eviscerate OG which is supposed to burn a bit more. The burn is noticeable on both versions, but it is not that bad to just wear throughout the day in my opinion. It flares up mostly during workouts, on the drive home from the gym, and ironically in the shower after the gym while washing the applied area.

    Important things to consider are: Possibly using gloves for the application of eviscerate. Making sure you are completely showered before engaging in sexual activity (my partner isn't big on kissing eviscerate). Using a different towel for body than face.

    The burn can be considerable, but the stuff flat works. A trade off I'm willing to make until Dsade unleashes burn free eviscerate on the world.
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    good info here..thanks bro
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    If only there were a package deal, can't wait till it's back in stock...
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    Make sure to snatch it when it gets up, the last stock sold out extremely quickly!
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    I love the smell of Abliderate Advanced in the morning. Such a heavy box, though.
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    Well my eviscerate smolder just shipped out..can't wait to give this a go
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    Quote Originally Posted by steppinRazor View Post
    Well my eviscerate smolder just shipped out..can't wait to give this a go
    Let us know how it treats you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce
    Make sure to snatch it when it gets up, the last stock sold out extremely quickly!
    Definitely will
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