View Poll Results: If you were the President what would you do?
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Nuke Iraq, get it over with that country is just bad news.
Leave Iraq alone.
Keep at War.
If you were the President what would you do about IRAQ?
- 07-03-2007, 10:48 AM
- 07-03-2007, 11:32 AM
While there are some things being accomplished in Iraq, who the hell is picking up the check for all this ? Tax payers are and I don't think Iraq will give us any compensation when this is all over.
I mean seriously, put aside all politics, we are spending all of our money (and alot of it too) to fix a problem (their economy) which isn't even ours. I mean if they gave us free oil in return atleast so there would not be such high gas prices then atleast there is some type of kickback, but at this point we are just pissing away lotsa lotsa money.
- 07-05-2007, 02:19 AM
honestly though.... i say they ask all who want to move from the country to come to an airstrip located on the border deport all the amarican loving civilians out and bring em here or pawn them off on france and then bomb the shii outta the rest of the country... i mean really who needs em? they are just self destructive and self rightous.... america is the big devil and no mater how much support we give theyll think us an enemy and do all thy can to breed hate against us not to mention casuse problems in the middle east and hog up all the oil.... some of this response may seem ignorant but im really just tired of hearing bout them and knowing all our good men are wasting their time sweat and blood on a bunch of ungreatful ingrates, bring em home or re-apply their effeorts else where and bomb em to hell.
If we stopped funding Iraq tomorrow, Iran would move in and take control. Is that the desired outcome?
And, just so you know, Iraq is not the only country surviving off of US subsidies, you don't even have to be a country to receive US aid, just ask the Palestinians, whose government collapsed to a terrorist group (Hamas) when Us and European 'donations' stopped filling their coffers.
I don't want to enter another pro vs con war debate, but money should not be an issue. Face it, if the government weren't spending it in Iraq, they would still be spending it somewhere, probably in North Korea, which would be a major threat if we did not 'pay the check' in South Korea for 50 years and fill it with thousands of soldiers.
Last edited by joecski; 07-05-2007 at 08:36 AM. Reason: Clarity
I dont think they will leave until they have gone into IRAN. Why would they bring them all back just to send them back over there again? The iraniens have been arming the insergents for ages and killing US troops and this is the reason the US will give for bombing IRAN's uranium enrichment facilities, saying they are a threat to peace in the middle east and are harbouring terrorists. They will use low grade nuclear weapons and do it very swiftly to show the middle east and the rest of the world that the US is still a formidable force post IRAQ.
I think the US real interest in bombing IRAN is with Israel because Israel does not want IRAN developing bombs to use on them and they have been demanding the US bomb IRAN for a long time.
Look at it this way, Iran has a stated goal of destroying the Israeli State, and if Iran gets nukes, they could do it. Israel would not wait for the US to bomb Iran, too risky for them, they would do it themselves because Iran could NOT hit them back, except through channels like Hezbollah and Hamas, and Israel is already at war with those terrorist organizations.
Any US involvement would be behind the scenes, such as selling Israel the huge bombs it needs to complete the job and having a big roadblock in Iraq for Iranian fighters to get through. Imagine if Israel bombs Iran and Iranians fighters enter Iraq to get revenge, not a good scenario for Iran.
This is what makes Iraq so important to US interests, it is a power base in the middle east, just like Japan/South Korea in Asia and West Germany in Eastern Europe.
I totally agree that IRAQ is a power base for the US and I dont think they will leave in the near future. Its also about oil too. They dont want to own the oil, just control it.
The thing with Israel though is, if they attacked IRAN, Syria would be all over them. There is every chance this will happen if the US goes into IRAN though anyway and if this happens I dont think the US will be shy about defending Israel.
Don't forget, France, England, Germany, and even Russia are much closer to the crisis than we are here in the US. They are MUCH easier targets for terrorism and outright international attacks. IF Iran built a nuclear missile, it would not reach the US. It would reach Israel and possibly into major parts of Europe/Russia. Nobody wants that.
As for terrorism in Europe though, its open slather. They can pretty much do that wherever the hell they want to. All the precations in the world wont stop them if they want to do that. Its a shame but its the way it is I think. But yea we are both on the same wave length. I think IRAQ is not the end, its only just the begining.
I just found it fascinating that Putin suggested the US build the missile defense shield in Azerbajania (sp), essentially protecting Russia along its southern border - from Iran! The US wants the shield in eastern Europe, protecting EU and NATO members, but not Russia. Russia publicly complains that the move is set to exclude them from the rest of Europe and will force them to point missiles westward. I still think Putin wants the system in his backyard because they want the added protection from the middle east.
I had the opportunity to work with an Iraqi four years ago. His family had moved here after the Gulf war. He said because he was a Christian, Muslim friends that he grew up with there would never trust him. I asked him what had been going on there one hundred years ago, and he said the Sunni’s and ****ies, and the other tribes made war on each other. I asked what will be going on there one hundred years from now, and he said the Sunni’s and ****ies, and the other tribes will make war on each other. Let’s put a wall around the Middle east and wait one hundred years, then open it and deal with whose left.
For what it's worth, I would corrupt the entire middle east. I mean ship in porn and pipe in the satelite tv free of charge. Do it by the ton. Bacon and sausage, women in bikinis or nothing at all, tits and ass everywhere, and anything and everything else forbidden by islamic law. Decimate the radical culture that breeds terrorists by showing them that instead of dying for 72 befuddled virgins then can have several experienced professionals take care of them at a nearby brothel now and still be alive tomorrow.
And I'm deadly serious. Destroy the culture. Then, when they're drowning in back issues of Hustler, eating hungry man heroes for breakfast lunch and dinner, and getting laid left and right, see how many honestly feel like fighting, much less running into a disco wearing a TNT belt.
That is why American forces face so much hatred in Iraq, the clerics do not want the Iraqi people to realize we are really the good guys, our society lives in freedom, and we respect others choices. The clerics hate it when our troops build schools, that is why they bomb them. They don't like it when they have sell western style items like DVD's, CD's, and clothing in the markets - so they bomb them. Sooner, and not later, the Iraqi people will begin to tire of this. Many already have, I am seeing more and more reports of Iraqi citizens cooperating with coalition troops to capture insurgents.
But, CDB, you are right. We need to win the cultural war before we can win the physical war. If they had a few Hooters in Baghdad I bet it would be a better place! At least our troops could get a drink!
Also, it is not a coincidence that the attempting car bombs in London were at nightclubs, the terrorists are trying to destroy our culture. I bet attendance in down at those clubs, and if it is, the terrorists won a small victory.
I'd use it as a military base to get to the real problem... Iran.
nuke it and turn da bltch into a plate of glass.
nuke iran, iraq, and all the rest.
and im a democrat. lol
At the moment there is little that can be done. If we leave, the global and national perspective of our actions shows us as weak, and it can leave Israel vulnerable. Although Israel could sweep through the ME whenever they wish. If we stay we run into more wasted American lives and a defecit that will continue to increase by the billions. Sadly we have an administration that has been dishonest regarding their intentions in Iraq and their desires for a possible battle with Iran. Iraq was never truly a threat to the US on the scale of a country like a North Korea that made direct threats. However, this administration had a hard on for Iraq, wanted the oil and influence of the area, so we were told about the WMD's that never materialized and their connection to AQ, which also was a farce.
So to answer the question, what would I do? First make sure this administration is officially out of the public mindset and hopefully many (like Cheney) have the option to be tried for war crimes (longshot). Second, I would begin a slow withdrawl. I would not cut funding, I gotta agree with Joe Biden here, that while there are troops there they need funding to be kept as safe as possible. The withdrawl would sadly take a few years, but within 4 years, all troops would be where they beling....HERE
I guess I would use state sponsored terror attacks and blame it on a non factor counter insurgency. This way I could perpetuate military expenditures that would make me and my friends astronomically rich!..all at the expense of the American taxpaying suckers!
Meanwhile I would build multiple military bases for an occupation force to defend the oil production in the New Baghdad region after we annex the rest of the country!
Now me and my oil buddies could completely manipulate the oil supply and bring the world to its knees !!! Woohoohoo hahahaha
i wish there was more stuff done via the route of the CIA.. seems like much of that kind of work is taking a backseat nowadays or their just doing alot better covering up what they are doing.... either way i think a korean assisination is in order and secret bomb planting missions at any and all nuclear/uranium facilities are in order....
i very much have been enjoying reading the posts by those members who seem to have some background info on the situation though, very entertaining.... im still all for bombing them...
i also like CDB's version of a western jihad.
I disagree that assassination would help in North Korea, it would only piss off China and cause major social upheavals in NK. Better to go with what we're doing, it seems like NK is dismantling it's nuke capability, although we've been down that road before too. Any major changes would alter the balance of power and throw China and South Korea into a tizzy.
I still totally agree with CDB, got to win the 'hearts and minds', or at least distract them with shiny objects, alcohol, and naked women.
In the end, I only foresee more warfare, although I don't know to what extent we will be directly involved. I read a piece in Newsweek recently about the large military bases we are setting up in Africa to house SpecOps. They are performing counter-terrorisms measures in Africa because it is the next likely breeding ground for terrorists. It's good to see we have taken some lessons from Afghanistan and are getting ahead of the curve.Interestingly, many European nations, including France, also have a large military buildup underway in Africa.
I fear the war against extremism won't end any time soon, it is driven by poverty and zealotry, and is an established way of life. But, like CDB said, we need to convince people it is better to have pleasures on earth than to pray for 72 virgins in heaven.
We have essentially been at war with Iraq for almost 18 years. Saddam was contained for most of them after the Gulf War and whenever he ****ed up we shut him up. I think they thought that they would just finish the job and terrorism was the excuse.
We paid a lot of money to bomb the **** out of that place. We basically paid a lot of money to destroy the power grid and basic services. Now, private contractors are making a lot of money rebuilding what we destroyed. It's pretty retarded in my opinion.
I think we should leave Iraq but leave a strong military presence in the region to thwart any intrusion from outside sources wether it be France or Iran. Maybe patrol the borders with Iran to keep out any interference. That way our troops aren't playing mr. policeman and the Iraqi's can do what they want, wether it's killing each other or making it work.
This is essentially a religious war that spans the globe not just iraq. This war will never be over with until all radical muslims are exterminated. I really have no feelings, nor any cares for women or children. It's irrelevant to me so long as they are muslim and they die.
You may think that this is ignorant, but they are all muslim and they all believe america is the great satan. All of their decisions are religion-influenced. The great satan (america) is to either conform to the muslim religion or perish. Therefore, I say kill all muslims. I personally wouldn't mind hacking small muslim children and babies up with a machete.
I can't believe the ****ing audacious responses contained herein. The explosion of ignorance and purely unfilitered stupidity in this thread could dwarf a supernova.
This type of thing just makes me sick. Some of you are truly twisted individuals without an ounce of respect for human rights.
First of all, the United States invaded Iraq and started the war, not the other way around. So for anyone to suggest "nuking them and getting it over with" is so ****ing shameless and disgusting that labeling it the lowest form of perversion would be doing it a favor. Anyone who would seriously back such an idea should probably do themselves and anyone within close proximity a favor and check themselves in for a psychological evaluation. You most undoubtedly suffer from numerous psycho defects.
Second, for anyone claiming Iran is supplying weapons or aiding the insurgency, there's still a problem with this claim. Evidence. I suppose as long as Fox News said it though, it must be true.
Third, the US has an image problem in the global community for a reason. Bombing countries without reason will leave a blemish. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians will without a doubt cast a negative light on one. Having ignorant ****ing Americans discussing nuking countries while jabbering about Iran attempting to even build one retards America's image.
Fourth, pull out of the Middle East. The inhabitants do not want us on their holy land. They do not want our military installations there. What's so difficult to grasp about this?
The extreme hypocrisy in this thread that everyone seems so blind to is almost comical. Everyone here is demonizing anyone in the middle east and their culture, and how they want to kill to preserve it. So your solution is to inject our culture and eradicate theirs or kill them if they resist? Isn't that THEIR intention? So basically you want to emulate their methods? You want to be them? Do you all ride a horse that high that the effects of oxygen deprivation are setting in?
Countering extremism with extremism. Just brilliant, really genius guys, some real intellectuals in here.
blah blah blah. who cares about humanity.
And "they" were 19 men from Saudi Arabia. Since when do 19 people from a country equate into the entirety of the middle east, ie "they"?
And the US has been interfering in public affairs and establishing a presence in the middle east since the 80's. Brush up on your history.
Bombing a country is not preserving peace. No matter how many times this ludicrous insanity is repeated by psychopaths, it will never make any sense, ever.
Well I suppose I have to take an anonymous message board persona's word for it! lolOriginally Posted by gotripped
You would make a perfect candidate for Al Qaeda membership.Originally Posted by gotripped
Sure we've been dealing in the affairs of the middle east since the 80s but not under the same circumstances. For example the Iran-Contra affair. etc. And even if they were 19 men from saudi arabia that is irrelevant as well. They are all muslim. The entire country is muslim. They are all radical terrorists and they are all over the middle east. You aren't from america are you?
I would announce Gary Coleman as the new Czar, and make David Hasselhoff, Vice-Czar (except for dealings with Germany; since DH is more popular in Germany than were the Beatles).
Gary isn't a muslim; nor is DH.
you make a good point but a strong military presence in area translates to we continue to go back into Iraq,etc.
That whole place is a mess and has ALWAYS been. They want to kill each other let them .
The only people to bring "peace' there have been cruel sadistic dictators.
Its not good to remove a Lion tamer from a circus ring full of lions
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