Does a degree really matter anymore?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by maggie.stine View Post
    Both a degree and experience is needed for you to get a good job.
    There are plenty of good jobs that don’t require degrees.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    There are plenty of good jobs that donít require degrees.
    I agree but also most jobs these days are looking for one or the other. Experience without the degree you will make less money. Degree without experience you will make less money. Degree with experience you can make more money. If you have neither your up ****s creek lol

    I don't think its so much getting a good job but more the financial aspect is greatly increased when you have both working in your favor. You are right plenty of good jobs. Imo a good job is whatever makes you happy with your place of employment and your position in life.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by maggie.stine View Post
    Both a degree and experience is needed for you to get a good job.
    Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    There are plenty of good jobs that donít require degrees.
    Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    I agree but also most jobs these days are looking for one or the other. Experience without the degree you will make less money. Degree without experience you will make less money. Degree with experience you can make more money. If you have neither your up ****s creek lol

    I don't think its so much getting a good job but more the financial aspect is greatly increased when you have both working in your favor. You are right plenty of good jobs. Imo a good job is whatever makes you happy with your place of employment and your position in life.
    I agree with all you guys. I think what I have doing for the last few years was working for a title. I havenít been happy at my last few jobs, and this last one just solidified my feelings regarding the career choices I have made. I always thought working in Corporate America was the epitome of finally making it. To most, it is, but it slowly killed me inside. I started looking for jobs this morning, nothing to do with a desk job at all.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by puccah8808 View Post
    I agree with all you guys. I think what I have doing for the last few years was working for a title. I havenít been happy at my last few jobs, and this last one just solidified my feelings regarding the career choices I have made. I always thought working in Corporate America was the epitome of finally making it. To most, it is, but it slowly killed me inside. I started looking for jobs this morning, nothing to do with a desk job at all.
    Sounds like you need to go entrepreneurial route. I work in corporate America but also have some side stuff going which keeps me motivated/more fulfilled than just corporate job

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Godstrength View Post
    I agree but also most jobs these days are looking for one or the other. Experience without the degree you will make less money. Degree without experience you will make less money. Degree with experience you can make more money. If you have neither your up ****s creek lol

    I don't think its so much getting a good job but more the financial aspect is greatly increased when you have both working in your favor. You are right plenty of good jobs. Imo a good job is whatever makes you happy with your place of employment and your position in life.
    I agree, but she said “Both a degree AND experience are needed for a good job.” Which means you have to have both, which is just far from true lol
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by THOR 70 View Post
    Sounds like you need to go entrepreneurial route. I work in corporate America but also have some side stuff going which keeps me motivated/more fulfilled than just corporate job
    You are absolutely correct. I have been contemplating starting my own business for a long time. I can no longer be confined to a cubicle.

    Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    I agree, but she said ďBoth a degree AND experience are needed for a good job.Ē Which means you have to have both, which is just far from true lol
    Both the President and VP at my last job had no degrees, just 50 years of experience between the two of them.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by puccah8808 View Post
    You are absolutely correct. I have been contemplating starting my own business for a long time. I can no longer be confined to a cubicle.

    Both the President and VP at my last job had no degrees, just 50 years of experience between the two of them.
    If I could give one piece of advice to you from someone who's done it relatively successfully, I'd say to "not quit your day job" just yet. Start your own business and do it as a side hustle until you can see some glimmer of hope that it will succeed. The only thing worse than a day job that you don't like is not having the pay coming in from the day job that you don't like because you quit too soon.

    It may take you 2 or 3 tries before you find something to do self-employed that 1) makes you enough money to quit your day job and 2) that you enjoy doing. Keep the income coming in in the meantime to pay the bills. It make take you longer to get where you want to be, but the risk is significantly diminished.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by irone93 View Post
    I am in construction management and have worked on national historic landmarks throughout the country. I don't have a degree and it contributes to lower pay and less opportunity. With a degree I would be making 40% more overnight.

    It matters
    You should move companies. I have met many supers and PMs that donít have degrees and make just as much as those that do.

  9. The problem I see with a degree is that the market is flooded with them. In the states we have less people that can do the physical work.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post
    The problem I see with a degree is that the market is flooded with them. In the states we have less people that can do the physical work.
    There is a huge demand for trades workers and they can make a ton of money.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    There is a huge demand for trades workers and they can make a ton of money.
    Very true. Im in construction part of a local union and you can literally jump right in after highschool. After about a year of apprenticeships you start at 60k. Meanwhile during the apprenticeship its about 35-40k. The best health, vision, dental, hearing insurance, pensions and annuities. Best part is not 1 cent of it comes from your paycheck. Someone just retired after 30 years at 55 with nearly $450,000 just in their annuity. And working up to become a super is easily accomplished

  12. Not to mention you also receive 2 raises per year

  13. Yeah, I'm in construction management and there's almost as many managers needed as tradesmen, the whole industry needs workers. It is one of, if not the best industry to be in, I think. Even without a specific Construction degree @puccah8808 you could try to apply as a Project Engineer or something similar if you were interested in that. It is long days, but the pay and benefits are amazing and it's almost never boring. Lol I've met many Project Managers with degrees in other things besides Construction Management.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post
    The problem I see with a degree is that the market is flooded with them. In the states we have less people that can do the physical work.
    I see this a lot, to be honest. Even in non-physical work situations. Our company has opportunities for sales reps and as an entry level position (as most sales rep positions are) is commission only to start. People with degrees are inquiring and wondering what the base salary is. I understand the desire for a salary, but from a sales perspective there's far more money to be made if you're good at sales on a commission structure. It's incredibly difficult for small businesses these days to offer salary, benefits, etc. with all of the other taxes, insurances, etc. that we're required to pay.

    That's not to say you shouldn't get a degree, because I still think you should. The experiences and knowledge I gained in college - both inside and outside of class - are invaluable to me today. I'm only stating that in some cases, a degree just doesn't make sense for certain job types.

    Hell, outside of the fitness industry I have seem some really ridiculous job postings... one of them was especially laughable. I believe it was for an "executive assistant" type position at an auto dealer if I'm not mistaken. Requirements for applying was a Masters degree in business. I was thinking to myself, who the hell is going to apply to be an executive assistant with a masters degree in business administration??
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  15. That reminds of me of the entry level positions that require a degree, but also 4-5 years experience.. Lol

  16. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    There is a huge demand for trades workers and they can make a ton of money.
    I'm one of those people

  17. A bachelors degree is worth nowhere near what it used to be worth. If you arenít planning on going to graduate or professional school, you should think long and hard about learning a trade or going into sales right out of HS. Not that itís a hard fast rule, but spending over 100k and 4 years of income generating years so you can have an English literature hanging on your wall is not always the best financial move...
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by toddmuelheim View Post
    A bachelors degree is worth nowhere near what it used to be worth. If you aren’t planning on going to graduate or professional school, you should think long and hard about learning a trade or going into sales right out of HS. Not that it’s a hard fast rule, but spending over 100k and 4 years of income generating years so you can have an English literature hanging on your wall is not always the best financial move...
    I'm actually a big fan of Mike Rowe, who pretty much said this exact same thing a few years back. I'm probably a tiny bit more leaning to the side of "get your degree" than he is, but for the most part I think what he says in terms of jobs is spot on.
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  19. I can 100% echo the "trades are the fast track to $" sentiment as well... I travel all over and every factory I go to is in desperate need of the next generation of skilled labor. Welders, machinists, inspectors, etc etc. Every place I go >90% of the skilled labor is within 5-10yrs of retirement. Its a societal expectation nowadays that everyone gets a 4yr degree and sits in a cube which has flooded the market with 20 something's with no experience, demanding 100k salaries and no real responsibility because they have a degree. Its the "millenial"-itis. As someone that's part of this generation too, it makes me sick because so many people look down on our generation as a whole becuase this is how they expect all of us to be; meanwhile, many are willing to work out on the shop floor and get dirty and put in the hours to move up to the cushy jobs.

    I think there is an argument for both sides (the "require a degree" and "require experience") but I would 100% hire someone with experience and the right ATTITUDE long before I hired someone with a fancy degree. Some of the dumbest people I've worked with in my career have the fanciest degrees (including multiple doctorates). IMO getting a degree is important more to show a) that you can learn things and apply them and b) that you can dedicate yourself and your time to something. The actual application of what you learn from most colleges in most fields is actually only a VERY small % of what you truly do in the field. You learn the majority of your skills on the job and your ability to grow and evolve is what moves you forward.

    Hell, i'm a prime example. I barely passed through college and last fall became the youngest lead consultant in my company's history. But I barely use what I went to school for and learned more in 3 months on the job than in 4+ years of college.

    In short, degrees have a place, experience has a place, but to me, personalities, motivation, drive, ambition, commitment, and all the soft factors mean far more in the long term and a resume will never be able to showcase any of those things (unfortunately).
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I can 100% echo the "trades are the fast track to $" sentiment as well... I travel all over and every factory I go to is in desperate need of the next generation of skilled labor. Welders, machinists, inspectors, etc etc. Every place I go >90% of the skilled labor is within 5-10yrs of retirement. Its a societal expectation nowadays that everyone gets a 4yr degree and sits in a cube which has flooded the market with 20 something's with no experience, demanding 100k salaries and no real responsibility because they have a degree. Its the "millenial"-itis. As someone that's part of this generation too, it makes me sick because so many people look down on our generation as a whole becuase this is how they expect all of us to be; meanwhile, many are willing to work out on the shop floor and get dirty and put in the hours to move up to the cushy jobs.

    I think there is an argument for both sides (the "require a degree" and "require experience") but I would 100% hire someone with experience and the right ATTITUDE long before I hired someone with a fancy degree. Some of the dumbest people I've worked with in my career have the fanciest degrees (including multiple doctorates). IMO getting a degree is important more to show a) that you can learn things and apply them and b) that you can dedicate yourself and your time to something. The actual application of what you learn from most colleges in most fields is actually only a VERY small % of what you truly do in the field. You learn the majority of your skills on the job and your ability to grow and evolve is what moves you forward.

    Hell, i'm a prime example. I barely passed through college and last fall became the youngest lead consultant in my company's history. But I barely use what I went to school for and learned more in 3 months on the job than in 4+ years of college.

    In short, degrees have a place, experience has a place, but to me, personalities, motivation, drive, ambition, commitment, and all the soft factors mean far more in the long term and a resume will never be able to showcase any of those things (unfortunately).
    On point 1 zillion percent. I would take hard work and determination over a piece a paper that tells me you can study and pass tests. Im not saying thats easy but i guess im just the type of person who would rather be hands on. I was a mechanic for 10 years right out of high school now do construction and part of the build of the new MGM casino in springfield, ma. The feeling of having to sometimes get dirty and sweaty at work is worth it when you see an outcome that people enjoy and helps a community to thrive with the rest of the nation. Whether its a casino or a new hospital building that i also was apart of a few years back. I would 100% rather be apart of that then someone who sits in a cubicle and has to call someone to change their wifes flat tire because they dont know what physical works is.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by BioCorRob View Post
    If I could give one piece of advice to you from someone who's done it relatively successfully, I'd say to "not quit your day job" just yet. Start your own business and do it as a side hustle until you can see some glimmer of hope that it will succeed. The only thing worse than a day job that you don't like is not having the pay coming in from the day job that you don't like because you quit too soon.

    It may take you 2 or 3 tries before you find something to do self-employed that 1) makes you enough money to quit your day job and 2) that you enjoy doing. Keep the income coming in in the meantime to pay the bills. It make take you longer to get where you want to be, but the risk is significantly diminished.
    Thank you and you are so right. I think I will venture out and start something. I got talked to by my boss today (second job). Apparently, I am too bossy and I make people feel like Iím talking down to them. Excuse me, but weíre all adults here. 1.) You should be doing your job so I donít have to ask you why it has not been done. 2.) Why should I pick up your slack? And 3.) Weíre fcuking adults here.

    Quote Originally Posted by dds View Post
    The problem I see with a degree is that the market is flooded with them. In the states we have less people that can do the physical work.
    You are right. At school, almost everyone was getting a business degree. Itís so broad that it doesnít seem to hold much value anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by franks009 View Post
    Very true. Im in construction part of a local union and you can literally jump right in after highschool. After about a year of apprenticeships you start at 60k. Meanwhile during the apprenticeship its about 35-40k. The best health, vision, dental, hearing insurance, pensions and annuities. Best part is not 1 cent of it comes from your paycheck. Someone just retired after 30 years at 55 with nearly $450,000 just in their annuity. And working up to become a super is easily accomplished
    Thatís great! I donít know where youíre at but in California, you have to wait a long time to get any seniority in the union. I do enjoy hands on work over a desk job. I worked in a warehouse for 8 years with only men. Less drama and competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    Yeah, I'm in construction management and there's almost as many managers needed as tradesmen, the whole industry needs workers. It is one of, if not the best industry to be in, I think. Even without a specific Construction degree @puccah8808 you could try to apply as a Project Engineer or something similar if you were interested in that. It is long days, but the pay and benefits are amazing and it's almost never boring. Lol I've met many Project Managers with degrees in other things besides Construction Management.
    My friend is a project manager for one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world and she makes over $100k a year. I was looking into project management or at least getting a pmp (I think thatís what it is) certificate but working in group projects at school has tainted my perception of people (many adults are lazy, stupid a-holes).

    Quote Originally Posted by BioCorRob View Post
    I see this a lot, to be honest. Even in non-physical work situations. Our company has opportunities for sales reps and as an entry level position (as most sales rep positions are) is commission only to start. People with degrees are inquiring and wondering what the base salary is. I understand the desire for a salary, but from a sales perspective there's far more money to be made if you're good at sales on a commission structure. It's incredibly difficult for small businesses these days to offer salary, benefits, etc. with all of the other taxes, insurances, etc. that we're required to pay.

    That's not to say you shouldn't get a degree, because I still think you should. The experiences and knowledge I gained in college - both inside and outside of class - are invaluable to me today. I'm only stating that in some cases, a degree just doesn't make sense for certain job types.

    Hell, outside of the fitness industry I have seem some really ridiculous job postings... one of them was especially laughable. I believe it was for an "executive assistant" type position at an auto dealer if I'm not mistaken. Requirements for applying was a Masters degree in business. I was thinking to myself, who the hell is going to apply to be an executive assistant with a masters degree in business administration??
    You are right! A guy I knew went from being a mechanic to a salesman at my old company and found out right away that it was harder than he thought. An executive assistant is just a fancy name for office assistant/ secretary. I asked a girl what her paralegal job consisted of and she said, ďOh, Iím just a secretary.Ē :/

    Quote Originally Posted by toddmuelheim View Post
    A bachelors degree is worth nowhere near what it used to be worth. If you arenít planning on going to graduate or professional school, you should think long and hard about learning a trade or going into sales right out of HS. Not that itís a hard fast rule, but spending over 100k and 4 years of income generating years so you can have an English literature hanging on your wall is not always the best financial move...
    My sister has an English degree and sheís a manager at a store. Not to knock her because nobody can ever take her degree away but itís the reason why I decided to go to graduate school. I needed something more and people donít really care about a bachelors anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post
    I can 100% echo the "trades are the fast track to $" sentiment as well... I travel all over and every factory I go to is in desperate need of the next generation of skilled labor. Welders, machinists, inspectors, etc etc. Every place I go >90% of the skilled labor is within 5-10yrs of retirement. Its a societal expectation nowadays that everyone gets a 4yr degree and sits in a cube which has flooded the market with 20 something's with no experience, demanding 100k salaries and no real responsibility because they have a degree. Its the "millenial"-itis. As someone that's part of this generation too, it makes me sick because so many people look down on our generation as a whole becuase this is how they expect all of us to be; meanwhile, many are willing to work out on the shop floor and get dirty and put in the hours to move up to the cushy jobs.

    I think there is an argument for both sides (the "require a degree" and "require experience") but I would 100% hire someone with experience and the right ATTITUDE long before I hired someone with a fancy degree. Some of the dumbest people I've worked with in my career have the fanciest degrees (including multiple doctorates). IMO getting a degree is important more to show a) that you can learn things and apply them and b) that you can dedicate yourself and your time to something. The actual application of what you learn from most colleges in most fields is actually only a VERY small % of what you truly do in the field. You learn the majority of your skills on the job and your ability to grow and evolve is what moves you forward.

    Hell, i'm a prime example. I barely passed through college and last fall became the youngest lead consultant in my company's history. But I barely use what I went to school for and learned more in 3 months on the job than in 4+ years of college.

    In short, degrees have a place, experience has a place, but to me, personalities, motivation, drive, ambition, commitment, and all the soft factors mean far more in the long term and a resume will never be able to showcase any of those things (unfortunately).
    Congrats on your promotion! I was waiting for you to reply cuz... I donít know. Iíve always seen you as successful. You are absolutely correct. I would hire someone with a great personality and ambition over someone with a fancy degree. My previous boss has a degree in kinesiology but is a credit manager. She has over 20 years of experience in accounting over me, but to tell someone who graduated with an accounting degree that she knows nothing about accounting is bs. The accounting I learned in school is not the same as what Iíve learned on the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by franks009 View Post
    On point 1 zillion percent. I would take hard work and determination over a piece a paper that tells me you can study and pass tests. Im not saying thats easy but i guess im just the type of person who would rather be hands on. I was a mechanic for 10 years right out of high school now do construction and part of the build of the new MGM casino in springfield, ma. The feeling of having to sometimes get dirty and sweaty at work is worth it when you see an outcome that people enjoy and helps a community to thrive with the rest of the nation. Whether its a casino or a new hospital building that i also was apart of a few years back. I would 100% rather be apart of that then someone who sits in a cubicle and has to call someone to change their wifes flat tire because they dont know what physical works is.
    I miss getting out there and working with my hands. Sitting at a desk job helped me gain tons of weight! Lol
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by puccah8808 View Post
    Thank you and you are so right. I think I will venture out and start something. I got talked to by my boss today (second job). Apparently, I am too bossy and I make people feel like Iím talking down to them. Excuse me, but weíre all adults here. 1.) You should be doing your job so I donít have to ask you why it has not been done. 2.) Why should I pick up your slack? And 3.) Weíre fcuking adults here.


    You are right. At school, almost everyone was getting a business degree. Itís so broad that it doesnít seem to hold much value anymore.


    Thatís great! I donít know where youíre at but in California, you have to wait a long time to get any seniority in the union. I do enjoy hands on work over a desk job. I worked in a warehouse for 8 years with only men. Less drama and competition.


    My friend is a project manager for one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world and she makes over $100k a year. I was looking into project management or at least getting a pmp (I think thatís what it is) certificate but working in group projects at school has tainted my perception of people (many adults are lazy, stupid a-holes).


    You are right! A guy I knew went from being a mechanic to a salesman at my old company and found out right away that it was harder than he thought. An executive assistant is just a fancy name for office assistant/ secretary. I asked a girl what her paralegal job consisted of and she said, ďOh, Iím just a secretary.Ē :/


    My sister has an English degree and sheís a manager at a store. Not to knock her because nobody can ever take her degree away but itís the reason why I decided to go to graduate school. I needed something more and people donít really care about a bachelors anymore.

    Congrats on your promotion! I was waiting for you to reply cuz... I donít know. Iíve always seen you as successful. You are absolutely correct. I would hire someone with a great personality and ambition over someone with a fancy degree. My previous boss has a degree in kinesiology but is a credit manager. She has over 20 years of experience in accounting over me, but to tell someone who graduated with an accounting degree that she knows nothing about accounting is bs. The accounting I learned in school is not the same as what Iíve learned on the job.



    I miss getting out there and working with my hands. Sitting at a desk job helped me gain tons of weight! Lol
    Thanks p! One of the best things Iíve realized is that finding the right people to be around can absolutely make a job or even a career. Iíve been lucky to stumble upon a few really smart and driven people in a variety of places who were both tough enough to push me but also helpful when they noticed I was struggling or didnít know what to do.

    Iíve had two bosses and one peer who between those 3 I basically model 90% of career choices and Work life around. Whatís funny is that those same people are also the ones who I look up to the most for their work/life balance as well. Theyíre not even the smartest or highest ranking that Iíve met by a long shot but all 3 are extremely successful and have moved up through the ranks at will, but totally in their terms. Iíve seen 2 of the 3 turn down promotions and such because they didnít see the value in taking on additional stress or getting into a position where they knew they had no control over their own path or ability to make a difference. Thatís something Iíve really come to respect.
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  23. Well my last two jobs My base salary has been higher than my peers bc of my degree and my current job itís required. I also have a friend with no degree who makes double I do lol.

    Oh and get your PMP. Today we had two candidates very similar resume and experience but the one with the PMP cert got the interview. Itíll help A LOT
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  24. Who spends $100,000 on a bachelors degree? The government paid my tuition and actually gave me money through Pell grants which most people can get. I was working full time w kids and still managed to get the degree taking 3 classes a semester plus summer classes. In my opinion it was well worth it. If I go back to get my masters ill have to take out loans to pay for that but the financial bracket increase and what I could make would be worth it. Anything after a bachelors you can't get grants for.

    I think it does help. I worked construction most of my life. I'm 40 now and honestly not something I wanted to do forever. And its not for everyone. But I prefer to use my mind over my body these days as my body just can't physically keep up with the things I did in my 20 s. Still do a lot of side work (carpentry) for extra income but its at my convenience.
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