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  1. Marijuana shouldn't even be considered a drug, and even if it is considered as a drug, (its rating on a scale 1-10, 10 being the worst) would be no higher than a 2. Alcohol and Tobacco would be in the top 7-10 for sure! Just look at death tolls, anyone with an IQ exceeding a 10 year olds should realize this blatant obviousness.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Fitness_Freak View Post
    Marijuana shouldn't even be considered a drug, and even if it is considered as a drug, (its rating on a scale 1-10, 10 being the worst) would be no higher than a 2. Alcohol and Tobacco would be in the top 7-10 for sure! Just look at death tolls, anyone with an IQ exceeding a 10 year olds should realize this blatant obviousness.
    This isn't about that but sense you brought it up lets talk about lung damage,impaired senses,and the negative effects.

    Positives too.

    Mj reduces accute pain. Increases hunger for those who cant *wont* eat enough.

    Negatives

    Mj may*conflicting studies* increase estrogen and lower testosterone. Mj has a major negative effect on neuro transmitters. Mj even when vaporized causes lung damage*for those of you who argue this please go back to school and learn how extra mass via breathing anythig causes air way resistance and mj in its vapor form is heavier than commen air* mj has high risk for dependency*look at that documentary*. Although effects unlike overdose from other drugs you CAN overdose to the point you are impaired*Especally for non frequent smokers*

    Safer than alcohol? Yes in my opinion but skewed studies and here say make this almost undetermined. If a person gets in a wreck who had both alcohol and weed in their body how can we tell if the weed or the booze caused the crash?

    Do I think it should be illegal? No. Although I would like to point out the fact people will do it anyway and its rather easy to find.

    In closing. I take some things that wouldn't be considered healthy. I cant tell you what to do except what works for you. Im not anti mj im just very careful about what I put in my body.

    Lets leave the legal argument out and give this guy our opinions about what he has asked

    If he cant bodybuild without weed he shouldnt be doing it at all in my honest opinion
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  3. childish and for teenagers IMO. could care less if it was legal or illegal.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    childish and for teenagers IMO. could care less if it was legal or illegal.
    Definitely this.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post

    This isn't about that but sense you brought it up lets talk about lung damage,impaired senses,and the negative effects.

    Positives too.

    Mj reduces accute pain. Increases hunger for those who cant *wont* eat enough.

    Negatives

    Mj may*conflicting studies* increase estrogen and lower testosterone. Mj has a major negative effect on neuro transmitters. Mj even when vaporized causes lung damage*for those of you who argue this please go back to school and learn how extra mass via breathing anythig causes air way resistance and mj in its vapor form is heavier than commen air* mj has high risk for dependency*look at that documentary*. Although effects unlike overdose from other drugs you CAN overdose to the point you are impaired*Especally for non frequent smokers*

    Safer than alcohol? Yes in my opinion but skewed studies and here say make this almost undetermined. If a person gets in a wreck who had both alcohol and weed in their body how can we tell if the weed or the booze caused the crash?

    Do I think it should be illegal? No. Although I would like to point out the fact people will do it anyway and its rather easy to find.

    In closing. I take some things that wouldn't be considered healthy. I cant tell you what to do except what works for you. Im not anti mj im just very careful about what I put in my body.

    Lets leave the legal argument out and give this guy our opinions about what he has asked

    If he cant bodybuild without weed he shouldnt be doing it at all in my honest opinion
    I understand you're careful about what you put in your body but don't you/haven't you used steroids/PHs? Steroids and PH's are much much much more dangerous than weed. I dont smoke it anymore but anyone who has used clenbuteral or any other toxic drug that really ****s with your hormones has no right to speak on the issue. Also alcohol is lethal. Studies show alcohol is linked to more than half of all violent crimes in America. Also some studies show driving is affected by weed and I don't think people should smoke and drive but alcohol takes the cake. If someone said to me pick the safer drug..epistane or pot..I would choose the pot...I mean pot doesn't **** with your cholesterol, liver and other lipid values at all. Steroids and PH's do and can have long lasting damaging physical and psychological effects of the person doesn't know what they're doing. Someone can smoke pot, have no idea what they're doing and I can tell you they won't have any damaging effects
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    Its only a matter of time before its legal everywhere...

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  7. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post

    I understand you're careful about what you put in your body but don't you/haven't you used steroids/PHs? Steroids and PH's are much much much more dangerous than weed. I dont smoke it anymore but anyone who has used clenbuteral or any other toxic drug that really ****s with your hormones has no right to speak on the issue. Also alcohol is lethal. Studies show alcohol is linked to more than half of all violent crimes in America. Also some studies show driving is affected by weed and I don't think people should smoke and drive but alcohol takes the cake. If someone said to me pick the safer drug..epistane or pot..I would choose the pot...I mean pot doesn't **** with your cholesterol, liver and other lipid values at all. Steroids and PH's do and can have long lasting damaging physical and psychological effects of the person doesn't know what they're doing. Someone can smoke pot, have no idea what they're doing and I can tell you they won't have any damaging effects
    Again the question was the ops question. Dont put me under the microscope. I already said I do unhealthy things. Never denied that fact. This is not about my use and to justify yourself or anyone else on something someone else did means your a complete follower. This is the last post on the matter for me. This has turned into a fustercluck as all topics on mj on these fourms do.

    Answer the op based on your own opinion not on something I did.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    childish and for teenagers IMO. could care less if it was legal or illegal.
    How the HELL is it childish? Are you kidding? Its a healthier alternative to tobacco and alcohol. Its has pain relieving effects and gives overly stressed people a way to relax. If anything is childish it would be alcohol, alcohol alters your state of mind 10 times worse than mj. Not to mention numerous studies have shown cannabis to help cancer patients, what do you think alcohol or tobacco would do for a cancer patient? OK sorry, I'm done.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Fitness_Freak View Post

    How the HELL is it childish? Are you kidding? Its a healthier alternative to tobacco and alcohol. Its has pain relieving effects and gives overly stressed people a way to relax. If anything is childish it would be alcohol, alcohol alters your state of mind 10 times worse than mj. Not to mention numerous studies have shown cannabis to help cancer patients, what do you think alcohol or tobacco would do for a cancer patient? OK sorry, I'm done.
    Do you have cancer or do you smoke it to get high?


    Your doctor prescribe it for chronic pain?


    You're argument is ridiculous. Hell, most drugs have legitimate medical uses but to use them for purposes other than that is childish.

    Hell, you're argument was childish.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Fitness_Freak View Post
    How the HELL is it childish? Are you kidding? Its a healthier alternative to tobacco and alcohol. Its has pain relieving effects and gives overly stressed people a way to relax. If anything is childish it would be alcohol, alcohol alters your state of mind 10 times worse than mj. Not to mention numerous studies have shown cannabis to help cancer patients, what do you think alcohol or tobacco would do for a cancer patient? OK sorry, I'm done.
    settled down child

    there's better drugs for cancer patients than a weed, tobacco, and alcohol, and pills for pain relieving.

    Hey man, you should be a doctor or something. You seem to be onto how getting high can solve the worlds problems. Patent it!
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post

    there's better drugs for cancer patients than a weed, tobacco, and alcohol, and pills for pain relieving.

    Hey man, you should be a doctor or something. You seem to be onto how getting high can solve the worlds problems. Patent it!
    ...and you should be working for a big pharm! To say it is better to take prescription pills that we all see wreck lives, than to get the same effect (if not better), from a natural substance, then you are just close minded and no better than the pill pushers. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean those that do or are open to understanding, are being childish.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post

    ...and you should be working for a big pharm! To say it is better to take prescription pills that we all see wreck lives, than to get the same effect (if not better), from a natural substance, then you are just close minded and no better than the pill pushers. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean those that do or are open to understanding, are being childish.
    I've seen marijuana wreck more lives than prescription pills.

  13. And again, you aren't using it for any of the medical benefits you're basing your argument on.

    You're using it to GET HIGH, which is extraordinarily childish.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    ...and you should be working for a big pharm! To say it is better to take prescription pills that we all see wreck lives, than to get the same effect (if not better), from a natural substance, then you are just close minded and no better than the pill pushers. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean those that do or are open to understanding, are being childish.
    I do

    dang you're right. 100% of people prescribed pills = ruined lives!

    usually people who abuse prescription drugs, don't have prescriptions.
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  15. You two are hopeless.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    You two are hopeless.
    Hey doc, I just got out of surgery. Got my shoulder redone. It KILLS, got any weed?

    seems logical.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    Hey doc, I just got out of surgery. Got my shoulder redone. It KILLS, got any weed?

    seems logical.
    Oh, and pain killers are much better? Have you read what they do to your liver? Not to mention how addictive some of them are. But hey, I guess you're right, cramming a whole bunch of man made chemicals into your body must be safer than inhaling a plant. At the end of the day, marijuana related deaths- 0, (even if its used recreationally), pharmaceuticals, alcohol, and tobacco related deaths- too many to count. I'm just glad I'm not as naive as you are.

    And according to the guy who keeps calling it "childish", anything that alters the mind or body should be considered childish. It seems to me you should explore mj a little more before you start hating on a plant that will soon be the preferred recreational choice across America.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Fitness_Freak View Post
    Oh, and pain killers are much better? Have you read what they do to your liver? Not to mention how addictive some of them are. But hey, I guess you're right, cramming a whole bunch of man made chemicals into your body must be safer than inhaling a plant. At the end of the day, marijuana related deaths- 0, (even if its used recreationally), pharmaceuticals, alcohol, and tobacco related deaths- too many to count. I'm just glad I'm not as naive as you are.

    And according to the guy who keeps calling it "childish", anything that alters the mind or body should be considered childish. It seems to me you should explore mj a little more before you start hating on a plant that will soon be the preferred recreational choice across America.
    lol way to derail this thread!


    "What is your guys opinion on pot? Can it be useful or beneficial in any way? Does anybody know if it produces any catabolic process in your body (if you don't munch out)? Or can it be a useful tool during bulking cycle (obviously if you have a poor appetite)? "

    was the original question. if you came out of surgery, you'd want painkillers. Idc if it's legal or not, I find pot childish, not everything. Obviously your opinion is superior to mine
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  19. was the original question. if you came out of surgery, you'd want painkillers. Idc if it's legal or not, I find pot childish, not everything. Obviously your opinion is superior to mine [/QUOTE]

    No, I value your opinion, its the facts you've presented that are inferior.

    I just can't believe that someone would label smoking marijuana childish, its a farce. But I guess I'm a child because I like to smoke a joint before bed because it induces a better sleep, or smoke a bowl on a day off from work and go golfing, because the reality is it makes activities more enjoyable without the harshness of tobacco and the pure evil of alcohol. Maybe its not for you, but for others yes. Everyone reacts to everything differently, and if you want to sit there and call it childish, then I'll sit here and contradict you all day long.

    Yes, there are potheads out there whose main purpose is to smoke weed, and all they do is give it a bad reputation, but there are plenty of us out here that are educated and know the qualities to which it can and will produce.

    This guys tread was derailed from the 3rd page before I even presented any contradictory statements.

  20. Marijuana side effects for those who claim it is the holy Grail of safe medicine because its natural.

    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...Name=MARIJUANA

    Which is certainly besides the point that every "counter"argument to mine has not addressed anything in my argument.

    I'll list it for those who are mentally impaired from long term marijuana use.

    1. Marijuana has MEDICAL application when under the supervised care of a medical PROFESSIONAL. It has its own pros/cons as does any other prescribed drug.

    2. Those arguing for it are NOT using it for medical purposes and are using it to get HIGH yet are arguing based upon its medical uses.

    Now, notice that nowhere in there do I say anything about how alcohol OR tobacco OR prescription medication are any better than marijuana. I personally don't use ANY of those substances at all, and I think that using anything to alter your mental function so that you can get high is extremely childish.


    And to the guy who thinks that nothing bad has EVER come from smoking marijuana people have died of lung cancer from smoking it. Besides the long term mental effects it has (declining of memory, critical thinking skills, etc.)

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Marijuana side effects for those who claim it is the holy Grail of safe medicine because its natural.

    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...Name=MARIJUANA

    Which is certainly besides the point that every "counter"argument to mine has not addressed anything in my argument.

    I'll list it for those who are mentally impaired from long term marijuana use.

    1. Marijuana has MEDICAL application when under the supervised care of a medical PROFESSIONAL. It has its own pros/cons as does any other prescribed drug.

    2. Those arguing for it are NOT using it for medical purposes and are using it to get HIGH yet are arguing based upon its medical uses.

    Now, notice that nowhere in there do I say anything about how alcohol OR tobacco OR prescription medication are any better than marijuana. I personally don't use ANY of those substances at all, and I think that using anything to alter your mental function so that you can get high is extremely childish.

    And to the guy who thinks that nothing bad has EVER come from smoking marijuana people have died of lung cancer from smoking it. Besides the long term mental effects it has (declining of memory, critical thinking skills, etc.)
    I do not know where the heck you're getting your facts.

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page5

    To solely base ones mental health on marijuana as we age is ludicrous. You've got to be kidding me. You've provided me with a website that lists POSSIBLE effects of smoking it, where are these links to long cancer you're talking about?

    Also I'm arguing that it has medicinal purposes and recreational purposes. I personally use it for relaxation, sleep, and to enjoy activities more thoroughly.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Fitness_Freak View Post

    I do not know where the heck you're getting your facts.

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page5

    To solely base ones mental health on marijuana as we age is ludicrous. You've got to be kidding me. You've provided me with a website that lists POSSIBLE effects of smoking it, where are these links to long cancer you're talking about?
    Are you serious?

    The mental decline has nothing to do with age. I've seen it over and over again in Houston (where I live) and in the military with guys that had a rapid decline in their mental capacity from smoking between the ages of 16-22.

    Yes, I put up a link that talks about the POSSIBLE side effects of using it because no two people are EVER going to react to the same drug the same way.

    Any drug that has side effects is going to be POSSIBLE side effects because some people wont have them and some people will.

    Also I'm arguing that it has medicinal purposes and recreational purposes. I personally use it for relaxation, sleep, and to
    I'm arguing that using any drug recreationally is childish and is just a way to avoid problems in life.

    enjoy activities more thoroughly.
    Ridiculously childish, you can't enjoy life without being high? Seriously?



    You guys are talking about people who ABUSE substances as a legitimate argument for why marijuana should be legal. Talking about how dangerous ABUSING alcohol, ABUSING AAS, ABUSING Prescription medication, etc. to justify marijuana because you claim to do it responsibly.


    Well, guess what, tons of people use all of those drugs responsibly. You talk about how "safe" marijuana is by pointing to people who are abusing other drugs and saying "look how dangerous it is when that person uses that!" Ridiculous.

  23. man this got heated quick!
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  24. Lol this thread got out of hand quick
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    Lol this thread got out of hand quick
    Everyone has valid arguments and points which is nice though. as long as no one gets their feelings hurt it will shape up to be a nice debate. Off of the original topic but a nice debate.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Are you serious?

    The mental decline has nothing to do with age. I've seen it over and over again in Houston (where I live) and in the military with guys that had a rapid decline in their mental capacity from smoking between the ages of 16-22.

    Yes, I put up a link that talks about the POSSIBLE side effects of using it because no two people are EVER going to react to the same drug the same way.

    Any drug that has side effects is going to be POSSIBLE side effects because some people wont have them and some people will.

    I'm arguing that using any drug recreationally is childish and is just a way to avoid problems in life.

    Ridiculously childish, you can't enjoy life without being high? Seriously?

    You guys are talking about people who ABUSE substances as a legitimate argument for why marijuana should be legal. Talking about how dangerous ABUSING alcohol, ABUSING AAS, ABUSING Prescription medication, etc. to justify marijuana because you claim to do it responsibly.

    Well, guess what, tons of people use all of those drugs responsibly. You talk about how "safe" marijuana is by pointing to people who are abusing other drugs and saying "look how dangerous it is when that person uses that!" Ridiculous.
    Mental decline has nothing to do with age?! I could sit here and give you hundreds of sources stating otherwise.

    http://www.lef.org/protocols/neurolo...decline_01.htm

    You stated earlier that marijuana has a long term effect on cognitive functions. Where the heck is your proof, you have provided me with none! And exactly as you said earlier, the effects may vary from person to person because everyone is different, well what if someone doesn't experience any of those effects because there health is a main priority in their life (eating correctly, exercising daily, proper hygiene, and always looking to enhance intelligence).

    Getting high from mj is no different then ingesting protein in my book. They both serve a purpose for the greater good of our body. Obviously you haven't tried it and even if you have, you haven't tried it for long enough.

    And if I read the word childish one more time I'm just going to withdraw from this debate. What really is childish is the lack of relevance your "facts" contain. You haven't provided a valid source yet. Once you present me with a credible source of it "causing lung cancer and impairing mental functions as a long term effect" then we can really start this debate.

    As of now you've provided me with an opinion you seem adamant to reverse on, maybe you should open a book instead of watching biased news organizations and reading wikipedia.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    Everyone has valid arguments and points which is nice though. as long as no one gets their feelings hurt it will shape up to be a nice debate. Off of the original topic but a nice debate.
    Totally agree, and the nice thing is that as it is now become socially accepted by the majority of Americans, it is being much more understood and not vilified like it used to be. Perhaps we see it more in areas where it has been legalized from a state level, but people are getting educated on the safety and benefits of marijuana in record numbers. The fact you can buy it through a medical red card (red here in CO) since 2000, or for recreation purposes after January, makes no difference. People are finally understanding how safe it is and how it can help with so many ailments- whether that be recognized through traditional medial routes or self medication. Ar we saying it is the cure for everything, no. Are we saying that it is a great alternative for many people that don't want to take pills and in many cases, works better? Yes. It is just nice to know that there is another option for people and that the medical field is finally seeing this.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    I'm arguing that using any drug recreationally is childish and is just a way to avoid problems in life.



    Ridiculously childish, you can't enjoy life without being high? Seriously?
    I can see your point and to a point, agree. But your argument seems to be based more on not liking anyone that takes anything to bring them out of reality and not marijuana directly- yet you keep using it as the example.

    However, tell that to the tens of thousands of liquor stores around the country and all the doctors that over prescribe medications to patients, and any other way people are looking to release and enjoy life in a different way. It is going to happen, and people are going to want to enjoy themselves and escape from time to time (or more), and marijuana is a safer way to do it. Look, everyone has a vice, because you still see a stigma surrounding MJ, doesn't make it any more wrong than the pills you are advocating, or a traditional liquor store.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post

    I can see your point and to a point, agree. But your argument seems to be based more on not liking anyone that takes anything to bring them out of reality and not marijuana directly- yet you keep using it as the example.

    However, tell that to the tens of thousands of liquor stores around the country and all the doctors that over prescribe medications to patients, and any other way people are looking to release and enjoy life in a different way. It is going to happen, and people are going to want to enjoy themselves and escape from time to time (or more), and marijuana is a safer way to do it. Look, everyone has a vice, because you still see a stigma surrounding MJ, doesn't make it any more wrong than the pills you are advocating, or a traditional liquor store.
    What are you talking about? I specifically said using ANY drug to avoid reality is childish and did not limit it to just marijuana.

  30. Still waiting for an intelligent, credited, source filled response from you Mr. jimbuick...
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