THC - Maryjewona cons & pros?
- 09-24-2013, 06:38 PM
- 09-24-2013, 06:41 PM
- 09-24-2013, 06:44 PM
And again, you aren't using it for any of the medical benefits you're basing your argument on.
You're using it to GET HIGH, which is extraordinarily childish.
09-24-2013, 06:48 PM
09-24-2013, 06:48 PM
09-24-2013, 06:50 PM
09-24-2013, 07:42 PM
And according to the guy who keeps calling it "childish", anything that alters the mind or body should be considered childish. It seems to me you should explore mj a little more before you start hating on a plant that will soon be the preferred recreational choice across America.
09-24-2013, 07:51 PM
"What is your guys opinion on pot? Can it be useful or beneficial in any way? Does anybody know if it produces any catabolic process in your body (if you don't munch out)? Or can it be a useful tool during bulking cycle (obviously if you have a poor appetite)? "
was the original question. if you came out of surgery, you'd want painkillers. Idc if it's legal or not, I find pot childish, not everything. Obviously your opinion is superior to mine
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09-24-2013, 08:13 PM
was the original question. if you came out of surgery, you'd want painkillers. Idc if it's legal or not, I find pot childish, not everything. Obviously your opinion is superior to mine [/QUOTE]
No, I value your opinion, its the facts you've presented that are inferior.
I just can't believe that someone would label smoking marijuana childish, its a farce. But I guess I'm a child because I like to smoke a joint before bed because it induces a better sleep, or smoke a bowl on a day off from work and go golfing, because the reality is it makes activities more enjoyable without the harshness of tobacco and the pure evil of alcohol. Maybe its not for you, but for others yes. Everyone reacts to everything differently, and if you want to sit there and call it childish, then I'll sit here and contradict you all day long.
Yes, there are potheads out there whose main purpose is to smoke weed, and all they do is give it a bad reputation, but there are plenty of us out here that are educated and know the qualities to which it can and will produce.
This guys tread was derailed from the 3rd page before I even presented any contradictory statements.
09-24-2013, 08:16 PM
Marijuana side effects for those who claim it is the holy Grail of safe medicine because its natural.
Which is certainly besides the point that every "counter"argument to mine has not addressed anything in my argument.
I'll list it for those who are mentally impaired from long term marijuana use.
1. Marijuana has MEDICAL application when under the supervised care of a medical PROFESSIONAL. It has its own pros/cons as does any other prescribed drug.
2. Those arguing for it are NOT using it for medical purposes and are using it to get HIGH yet are arguing based upon its medical uses.
Now, notice that nowhere in there do I say anything about how alcohol OR tobacco OR prescription medication are any better than marijuana. I personally don't use ANY of those substances at all, and I think that using anything to alter your mental function so that you can get high is extremely childish.
And to the guy who thinks that nothing bad has EVER come from smoking marijuana people have died of lung cancer from smoking it. Besides the long term mental effects it has (declining of memory, critical thinking skills, etc.)
09-24-2013, 08:40 PM
To solely base ones mental health on marijuana as we age is ludicrous. You've got to be kidding me. You've provided me with a website that lists POSSIBLE effects of smoking it, where are these links to long cancer you're talking about?
Also I'm arguing that it has medicinal purposes and recreational purposes. I personally use it for relaxation, sleep, and to enjoy activities more thoroughly.
09-24-2013, 08:55 PM
The mental decline has nothing to do with age. I've seen it over and over again in Houston (where I live) and in the military with guys that had a rapid decline in their mental capacity from smoking between the ages of 16-22.
Yes, I put up a link that talks about the POSSIBLE side effects of using it because no two people are EVER going to react to the same drug the same way.
Any drug that has side effects is going to be POSSIBLE side effects because some people wont have them and some people will.
I'm arguing that using any drug recreationally is childish and is just a way to avoid problems in life.Also I'm arguing that it has medicinal purposes and recreational purposes. I personally use it for relaxation, sleep, and to
Ridiculously childish, you can't enjoy life without being high? Seriously?enjoy activities more thoroughly.
You guys are talking about people who ABUSE substances as a legitimate argument for why marijuana should be legal. Talking about how dangerous ABUSING alcohol, ABUSING AAS, ABUSING Prescription medication, etc. to justify marijuana because you claim to do it responsibly.
Well, guess what, tons of people use all of those drugs responsibly. You talk about how "safe" marijuana is by pointing to people who are abusing other drugs and saying "look how dangerous it is when that person uses that!" Ridiculous.
09-24-2013, 10:39 PM
09-24-2013, 11:21 PM
Lol this thread got out of hand quick
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09-24-2013, 11:29 PM
09-25-2013, 11:06 AM
You stated earlier that marijuana has a long term effect on cognitive functions. Where the heck is your proof, you have provided me with none! And exactly as you said earlier, the effects may vary from person to person because everyone is different, well what if someone doesn't experience any of those effects because there health is a main priority in their life (eating correctly, exercising daily, proper hygiene, and always looking to enhance intelligence).
Getting high from mj is no different then ingesting protein in my book. They both serve a purpose for the greater good of our body. Obviously you haven't tried it and even if you have, you haven't tried it for long enough.
And if I read the word childish one more time I'm just going to withdraw from this debate. What really is childish is the lack of relevance your "facts" contain. You haven't provided a valid source yet. Once you present me with a credible source of it "causing lung cancer and impairing mental functions as a long term effect" then we can really start this debate.
As of now you've provided me with an opinion you seem adamant to reverse on, maybe you should open a book instead of watching biased news organizations and reading wikipedia.
09-25-2013, 11:34 AM
09-25-2013, 11:44 AM
However, tell that to the tens of thousands of liquor stores around the country and all the doctors that over prescribe medications to patients, and any other way people are looking to release and enjoy life in a different way. It is going to happen, and people are going to want to enjoy themselves and escape from time to time (or more), and marijuana is a safer way to do it. Look, everyone has a vice, because you still see a stigma surrounding MJ, doesn't make it any more wrong than the pills you are advocating, or a traditional liquor store.
09-25-2013, 12:47 PM
09-25-2013, 01:07 PM
09-25-2013, 01:33 PM
I've given reputable sources listing possible side effects of marijuana uses and all you've done is give me a source that backs my claims as much (or more) than it does yours. Did you even read the cancer link you gave me? It states specifically that the studies are conflicting and some show a definite increase in the risk of emphysema and some show no correlation. Besides the fact that it also specifically stated that the safety of cannabis was when it was ingested orally (eaten) not inhaled! Good source bro.
Marijuana's lingering effects on the brain:
Marijuana use may shrink the brain:
Marijuana may cause (or increase risk of) schizophrenia:
Look buddy, it would appear that you are unaware of the fact that there is a conflicting study for every single thing you're trying to post. Which I will readily put up for you if it's deemed necessary.
But, the simple fact is, you're argument is ridiculous. My stance is that using drugs to enjoy life is childish and is a way to avoid problems in life.
I have mentioned more than once the possible side effects of marijuana use (long and short term) and have put up links to show these side effects, I also have my own personal experience (my brother is a heavy user) where I've seen the mental decline personally in the span of 5-10 years.
And how about the fact that there are studies showing it lowers motivation and makes people lazy by altering brain chemistry and screwing with dopamine levels:
So, it's no coincidence that you can't seem to enjoy life without it. Because your dopamine levels are all out of whack from smoking too much, sounds very safe doesn't it? We should legalize it so that everyone can PERMANENTLY alter their brain chemistry.
Other effects of marijuana use:
09-25-2013, 02:24 PM
Every single one of those articles can be torn apart. One of them stated a "light user" smoked 17 joints or more a week. Are you kidding me? I maybe go through 8-10 a week, if that.
As for the statement about lowering motivation and making people lazy, I would absolutely disagree, where did they get their participants, McDonalds? In my own experience I would say it almost invigorates the mind, but then again everyone is different.
Its puts a blemish on memory and multitasking? No way, otherwise how in the hell would I remember a 100+ page case, or heck, according to your articles, how am I able to even read and comprehend it, because it supposedly inhibits multitasking.
So which problems am I exactly avoiding in life because I'm getting high? Please help me figure them out.
What is wrong with eatables? Either way its still the active chemical thc. Its a valid option for everyone.
By the way, the majority of your articles presented the word "may" as in they may cause this or they may cause that. No scientific backing besides one of the articles.
Well its quite clear neither of us are going to change each others views, so this will be my last reply to your opinions.
Thankfully for me, its already starting to be legalized for recreational uses, so I guess either way I still get to enjoy it. I'll come back to this tread in 20 years when I'm 45 and let you know how things are going. Supposedly my brain is going to shrink and I will have lost some cognitive functions, but we will see.
Thanks, it was a great debate that ensued with intelligent remarks from all parties. Have a great day everyone.
09-25-2013, 05:25 PM
19 people have died in car related DWI wrecks since this thread started ONE week ago going off 2010 data...... Now how many more have been killed in alcohol induced domestic violence in the last week PLUS all the bar brawls across the country......... The number is staggering...... Ban alcohol & legalize pot...
09-25-2013, 06:28 PM
09-25-2013, 06:28 PM
...or keep alcohol legal and widen the legalization of mj. I for one, am a person that can enjoy a drink or two and not go killing people and getting into my car driving around town. Believe it or not, it is possible to enjoy a vice responsibly. Not aiming this at you, justmechillin, just sayin.
09-25-2013, 06:42 PM
09-25-2013, 06:52 PM
09-25-2013, 07:00 PM
09-25-2013, 08:16 PM
Jimbuick has completely negated any stance he ever had in this thread when he just stooped to name calling and angry posts filled with his hatred towards anyone that enjoys life differently that he does. Childish. LOL
09-27-2013, 01:15 AM
He must be an old timer. Old timers drive Buicks. Legalize herb, my dad was an alchy, it caused him to be a very brutal guy.. notice I said guy. No way in hell smoking herb is childish. I guarantee he drinks coffee or tea and If that guy drinks coffee or tea he's "childish"!!
09-27-2013, 01:26 AM
09-27-2013, 01:32 AM
**** all these shi+ heads you guys don't have any fuking idea. I've smoked weed since I was a kid and guess what mother ****ers I'm almost a fukin nurse at the age 22 any getting my Phd and becoming a doctor. So obviously weed has had if anything a benefit to my life. You think smoking some weed is not good for you? Ya how about you worry about your self and let me pack a bowl. Stoners aren't fukin lazy were smart. Its just retarded mother fukers like the ones in this thread who give us a bad name based on stereotypes on t.v. Shrinks the brain? Hahahaha fuk your articles old man
09-27-2013, 02:21 AM
Wow it's Jim vs everyone here lol.
I don't advocate it's use at all. I worked in Residential drug abuse treatment center for kids 13-19. I've seen the harmful effects first hand.
There might be medical uses for it, but I've never experienced the **** people talk about, it's never made me hungry, it's never made me sleepy, it's never reduced pain. I was a smoker for many years. I think if you honestly think it improves your ability to do your job, and it makes you smarter, your making excuses to identify yourself to a substance. Some people function well on it, great for them, just like anything else people react differently.
That being said, my stance on legalization is simple, either it's fully illegal or it's fully legal, either one is fine by me. But this gray area, medical bull**** is abused and I absolutely hate it.
But I know how fervently people will defend their drugs. So that's all I'm going to say, and I'll remind you all its an opinion, and an educated one. That was said as to not offend anyone, you're mostly all adults. Make your own choices.
09-27-2013, 02:38 AM
09-27-2013, 04:19 AM
09-27-2013, 04:21 AM
09-27-2013, 12:11 PM
I could be wrong, but do yourself a favor and present yourself as an intelligent human being.
09-27-2013, 12:19 PM
People report calming effects
Can help increase appetite
Reports of increased creativity
Useful for some medical purposes
It is thought to be comparatively safer than leading mind altering drugs
Reports of lethargy (Could be strain dependant)
Legality (As of now)
Potential health concerns (Mental and physical)
Lack of long term studies(Due to legal staus)
And being called Childish by jimbuick
09-27-2013, 12:32 PM
Serious Nutrition Solutions
09-27-2013, 12:32 PM
Ha, knew this thread would get interesting.
I've been smoking for about 15 years. I don't smoke preworkout but I do post workout. It really helps me relax, increases appetite for my next meal and makes getting 8 hrs a breeze. I've been vaporizing a lot more since I got my Launch Box. What a great invention.
Weed is not beneficial per se... but its also not going to kill you. What drives me ABSOLUTELY INSANE is when people look at people who smoke like they are junkies or something. Shows a serious lack of knowledge and ignorance. Don't be that guy, you look like an idiot. Weed is WAY more safe than alcohol and barely any worse than a cup of coffee not to mention its been know to cure various cancers in many patients. Oops... guess the government has got some explaining to do being that its a tier 1 substance along with meth.
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