Linguinal Hernia :(

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I have what I am sure is a Linguinal Hernia. More than likely I am going to have the "mesh" surgery.

Does anyone have any input that has done one of these procedures? How long can I expect recovery to take? How long before I can resume lifting?

I don't want to lose alot of progress. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice? Thanks in advance for any input.
 

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I have what I am sure is a Linguinal Hernia. More than likely I am going to have the "mesh" surgery.

Does anyone have any input that has done one of these procedures? How long can I expect recovery to take? How long before I can resume lifting?

I don't want to lose alot of progress. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice? Thanks in advance for any input.
Hey brother, join the club. Just yesterday after doing abs I noticed a small, walnut sized lump underneath my belly-button that was slightly protruding in between my abdominal muscles.

I have not seen a doctor yet, but will go monday. I believe this is called an umbilical hernia. There was only a slight amount of pain, and today I notice nothing unless I push on the spot (aka you cannot see the protrusion).

I, too, would like to know what can be done from an exercise standpoint before/after surgery as well as things to speed up recovery. I've found some good posts on this site relating to hernias, and this site: http://www.hernia-institute.com/ seems promising.

Good luck with your healing process bro, you are in my prayers. And thanks to anyone who can help with this subject.
 

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post surgery

i had a hernia surgery around december of last year, i saw a potruding lump and it freaked me out because it would come and go.it didnt hurt but i figured out it was a hernia. the surgery itself was very quick, around 45 minutes or so. i have a very small incision right at the crease where your groin meets your leg so its virtually undetectable. after i woke up from the operation i felt very good, i felt like this was no big deal at all, but this was because i was still doped up on the pain meds i got before the op, when i awoke the next morning i was in a kind of pain i never experienced before. every little turn or movement ached like hell.its because your abdomin is your core i guess.i heard stories of people returning to work after 2-3 days. these people must also find kryptonite allergic, it took me every bit of 3 weeks, i maybe could have went to work after 2 weeks if i had a desk job, but i had a pretty long recovery and i thought of myself as a pretty tough guy with a high pain thresh hold, but i suppose everyone is different. one word of advice, i dont like pain killers but ask for vicodine or percocet. dont get coned into those lame codeine/aspirin combos.you'll need the good stuff. good luck. oh yeah, it was 3 months before i was comfortable lifting the weights i was using pre-op in the gym again. oh yeah no more squats or deadlifts for me:)
 

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I had a my left side done for a lingual. A mesh was put in and it has given me trouble ever since. I would ease slowly back into training as I did not. Now I'm paying for it. My best advice is to take it easy. Good luck.
 
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I've never heard of anyone who has gotten the mesh and was back to "normal". I have had an umbilical hernia for several years now. It comes and goes. My doctor said that 90% of this type heal by themselves and that since I had dense abs it would heal. Problem I have is staying out of the gym long enough for it to totally heal.

I've since been asking around and I have found that everyone who has had the mesh does not like it. My workout partner still has a lot of pain and his is 5 years old. I figure that I probably don't feel as much pain as him and will not elect to get surgery unless it becomes grotesque. I have to keep deadlifts light due to a back injury anyway and I watch squats and low row movements when it "flares up". Other than that I keep on keepin on :)
 

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i don't know if this is related or not but recently and in the past i've gotten these lumps on the inside of my thigh. they always appear under a stretch mark and are about the size of a marble (the small ones). the other day i noticed one, it didn't hurt at all so i squeezed the **** out of it. it bled some and the next day it was alot smaller. in the past if i leave them alone they normally disappear by themeselves but leave a deep scar. i've had probably 3 total in my life. any ideas?
 

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not trying to be a smart @ss but it is an "inguinal" hernia...
 

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Other "lumps" in the groin area may also be swollen lymph nodes. So if you find a lump, it is not definitely a hernia. However, I think it is wise to visit a doctor if you have any concern.
 

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Thanks for the info, as well, guys.

My doctor said the opening was very small and was basically a lima-bean sized piece of fatty tissue, no intestinal material coming out yet.. He jsut recommended against straining too hard while lifting, wear a belt, and to lay off of direct ab work for awhile. Of course, I will eventually have it repaired and will see a surgeon later to get another opinion.

THanks again.
 

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My doctor said the opening was very small and was basically a lima-bean sized piece of fatty tissue, no intestinal material coming out yet..
I guess that is good news. Now I imagine the question is, should it be corrected now before it get worse or hope that it does not get worse?
 

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I need to have mine repaired again and I'm pretty sure my right needs it also.But I will live with it until I cant take the pain anymore. There has got to be a way of repairing these things with a good sucess rate.
 

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Oh yeah, any of you guys compete? If so I need some input. Check my thread in Bobo's forum.
 

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I've had surgery for 2 large inguinal hernia, but not the mesh. Pain was terrible. Took 10 weeks to get back to normal. Can deadlift without a belt, no problem.
 

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I guess that is good news. Now I imagine the question is, should it be corrected now before it get worse or hope that it does not get worse?
Thank you for your concern.
I asked him and he basically said that at this point it is so small than there is a chance that the surgeon may open me up and have trouble finding the hole. I am not taking this as factual information. He gave me the names of two surgeons he said were specialists. I am making an appointment to see them very soon. As far as I am concerned, and from what I've read, the sooner a hernia is corrected the better. At this time, there is no pain, simply the discomfort/anxiety of knowing it is there and is a weakness (and what may happen if it gets worse). Until then, I am being cautious, avoiding intra-abdominal pressure and extreme exertion.
 
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I have had an umbilical hernia for several years now. It comes and goes. My doctor said that 90% of this type heal by themselves and that since I had dense abs it would heal.
Hernias never heal without surgery. The size of the knot may vary depending on various things, but the hernia will NEVER heal itself. I would be skeptical of your doc.
 

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Well, I did finally have my inguinal hernia repair today.
After much research and talking to a great varitey of surgeons, I decided to do the laparoscopic procedure.

I checked into the Hospital at 7 am, the procedure started at 8:30. Surgery took less than 1 hour. I left the hospital about 2 hours after the surgery.

I am on a small amount of pain medicine, but so far the pain is nothing to shout about. I had the mesh repair for a large inguinal hernia.

I believe I made the hernia worse by continuing to lift with the defect. I was lifting with much lighter weight than normal, but I believe damage was still being done. I recommend you get a hernia repaired AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I am hoping for a speedy recovery, so I can get my ass back into the gym. I am already walking around much better than expected, with little discomfort.

It will be at least 3-4 weeks before I resume lifting.....I'll work up starting from light.

I have 3 small incisions on my abdomen.

That's about it so far. I'll keep you guys posted.

So far, the process has been very favorable for a fast recovery. I have heard horrible stories about recovery from the open procedure, and I am sure I will be mobile in no time with the laparoscopic repair.

I believe I will be able to resume work on Monday....Surgery was Friday morning.

Regards,
Jx
 

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MF is totally correct...a hernia will NEVER heal on its own....EVER. Your Dr. is WRONG.

A hernia will likely only get worse...ESPECIALLY if you lift or are very active, then it is guaranteed to get worse.

Get it FIxed or pay the price later.
 

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anadrol....I did much research and talked to many surgeons. The laparoscopic procedure is the way to go for me for a number of reasons:

1.. Recovery time is so much better it's ridiculous. You will be out many weeks with an open procedure. (probably out from work at least 2 weeks)

This is due to the massive amount of tissue trauma from the large incision.

2.. The reoccurance rate is proving these days to be in favor of Lap. I was told by my surgeon that the reoccurrance rate for my procedure was about 1%. He said that on the opposite side (the non-defect side) the chance that I would get a hernia was about 10%

3.. Open will give you a big ass scar.


I talked to a great many surgeons about both open and laparoscopic. My results were as follows...

Generally all of the people that would not recommend the laparoscopic procedure were old-school surgeons. I find that pretty consistent with the fact that they were not TRAINED for the laparoscopic procedure, and seemed to requote mostly heresey about the newer procedure. They also seemed to lack any kind of experience with a laparoscope at all.

All of the surgeons that recommended Lap were surgeons trained in all methods.... Open, as well as Lap. Most agreed that there are certain types of hernias that can require Open, but that you would be ill advised to choose Open over Lap UNLESS it is your only option. Their reasoning is that with the vid cam and tools inserted through very small incisions, they can do just about anything that can be accomplished with a large incision through thick abdominal muscle tissue, without causing the trauma and disturbing surrounding tissues.

ULTIMATELY, I would say talk to many different surgeons. Research all types of hernias and especially the hernia that applies to YOU. Find out how many of each type that each prospective surgeon has performed, and his success and reoccurrance rates. You really need to walk into an exam as someone who has done LOTS of homework about the entire hernia process and repair. You will then have tons of questions that you can ask the surgeons.

I think only then will you be able to make a decision on what's best for you . DON'T just take one surgeon's word for it. Ask the tough questions!
 

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I had a my left side done for a lingual. A mesh was put in and it has given me trouble ever since. I would ease slowly back into training as I did not. Now I'm paying for it. My best advice is to take it easy. Good luck.
I didn't read this before..

I will say that all of the surgeons stressed that it is very important to give yourself ample time to recover BEFORE you resume lifting. I was told that not allowing proper time for the repair to heal completely can DEFINITELY affect reoccurance rates for the worse.

Although you have much less pain, and are able to be quite mobile soon after the surgery... it seems many people take this as a sign that it's OK to pick up back in the weight room where they left off.

I was told this was the main cause of reoccurance with the laparoscopic repair...people jump back into it so quickly...because they feel so good in recovery.

What happens, is after a period of time, your stomach muscles and fibers grow into and around the mesh, making the repair strong.If you don't give time before you lift for this to occur, you get a failed repair.

Give time for healing, and when you go back to lifting...start from ground zero and practice good form, breathing, etc to stress the area as little as possible.
 

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Yes, SJA is giving terrible advice when he says that a hernia can heal without surgery and that mesh repairs result in more pain than having a hernia. That is pure BS.


Oh, and a couple of points--for a single hernia that is small, open surgery only requires a small incision. And you aren't out of work for 2 weeks. I was moving around fine after two days and back at school.

I know this because I just had an open procedure after seeing 3 different surgeons. The first two found an umbilical hernia. The final surgeon I went to, and decided was the one to use, found a second hernia (epigastric) just about 1.5" above my umbilical. During the surgery, a third was found and fixed.

We discussed the different methods used to fix hernias, and he said that throughout his years of successfully performing hernia surgeries that the safest and most reliable way was to do a "tension-free" mesh repair. This is done by making a small incision, then pushing the intestinal or other tissue back through the defects, then covering the defects with a single piece of mesh placed on the INSIDE of the abdominal wall. Using this method, the mesh integrates itself into the abdominal wall and the defects heal over time, since there is no longer any intestinal matter spreading them apart. And it results in a pain-free, tension free repair that is very strong with a very low failure rate. You can't tell it is in there b/c only a few sutures are needed to keep it in place while the tissue grows into it, and the defects arent stitched shut--they grow back together on their own.

This can also be done using the laparoscopic method, and a bonus is that there is slightly less trauma to the abdominal wall as well as a smaller scar. However, the chances that a nearby organ or tissues may be accidentally traumatized are higher. Plus, you have to be pumped up with compressed carbon dioxide and a staple gun is used to secure the mesh to the inside of the abdominal wall. That made me opt for the open procedure.

Usually the incision is pretty small, but because I had two hernias (that we knew about), the incision was larger than normal (it is about 2" long), but I don't care because I don't shave my body, and my hair will soon cover the scar. And if the scar still bothers me, I will use that new dermabond stuff to heal it. My skin is pretty good at healing anyway.

Anyway, there ended up being a second epigastric hernia/defect between my umbilical and previously known epigastric. So I had 3 hernias corrected with the tension free mesh. After the second day, there was hardly ANY swelling. It has been less than a week and my mobility is great, there is very little pain, and no discomfort.

There is a lot of misinformation about hernias on these sites. As long as you have the defect corrected properly and by a good surgeon, you will be far better off than trying to lift around a hernia. Just be sure to get a tension free mesh repair, whether it is laparoscopically done or an open procedure. Don't let them sew mesh on the outside of the defect or use the even older method of just using stitches to sew up the defect--those both result in lots of tension/pain and high failure rates.

Most laparoscopically and tension-free mesh repairs that are performed competently, correctly, and without complications have very low failure rates as long as the patient doesn't rush back into strenuous activity. An existing hernia has a much greater chance of becoming large, painful and dangerous than a previous hernia that was properly corrected has of re-occuring. And the larger a hernia becomes, the harder it is to fix--and the more likely it is to re-occur after being fixed. That is why I had mine fixed before they became any larger.

Just posting this to reinforce the fact that hernias can be safely and comfortably fixed with mesh if done properly AND that they never get better on their own, the ALWAYS will get worse in the long run.
 
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I had an inguinal repair on the left side last year. It was a large defect and so the surgery was a little longer than usual. 36 hrs after the surgery we had a huge dump of snow and as one of my businesses is snow removal so out I went. HUGE mistake. 20 hours in my truck and I was toast for days! It was 12 weeks before I felt I was back to 100 % Now a year later I still feel a little discomfort once in a while but I have been back to full deadlifts and ass to the floor squats for a long time now. I had the laproscopic type with the kevlar, goretx patch as well. My right side is also a little weak and my surgeon said that in time I might have to fix that as well. I asked him why he didn't fix it when the hood was up but he said no they don't do that. Oh well, the cost for me up here in the frozen north was about $10,000 (no insurance, so no new sled for me anytime soon!) My recomendation for anyone is to have it fixed and rest a lot longer than they say to, maybe back to work in two weeks if your a desk jockey but not if you have a physical job.
 
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hernia or otherwise, more people fsck themselves up by not taking proper post-op care than you'd even believe. In some cases the damage resulting from post-op stupidity is worse than ignoring the problem up-front.

Bering C, thanks for sharing your experience!
 

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I definately agree with taking it easy and gradually rehabbing after having a hernia operation. I don't believe any doctor or person who says that you can run around and feel completly healed and run around dancing a couple of days after surgery--if anyone does this they risk serious complications and probably will end up needing a second surgery. No one's body heals that fast, it doesn't matter how small of an incision or "keyholes" (as in laparoscopic surgery) you have. The tissue surrounding the mesh takes awhile to grow and fully strengthen, and the defect(s) take time to close up.

I realize this and am waiting for the followup appointment with my surgeon later this week to discuss rehab protocols and see what guidelines he recommends as far as physical exertion/activity is concerned. I will, of course, stay on the lighter, safer side of his instructions to ensure there is no damage done to my repaired hernia. I take great comfort in the fact that muscle memory will kick in once I am able to begin lifting heavy again.

EDIT: I had no idea that laparoscopic hernia surgery was that expensive. I am glad I have insurance (I didn't when I tore my pec, luckily the tendon didn't tear so surgery wasn't necessary) and my deductable is 500 bucks, or else I would've ended up either waiting until I had the money or spent a long time paying it off. I am not sure the exact cost of the open procedure I got, now that I think about it--it was probably more expensive than I realized.
 

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