Very interesting new medical device.. FDA approves computer chip for humans

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WASHINGTON - Medical milestone or privacy invasion? A tiny computer chip approved Wednesday for implantation in a patient’s arm can speed vital information about a patient’s medical history to doctors and hospitals. But critics warn that it could open new ways to imperil the confidentiality of medical records.

The Food and Drug Administration said Wednesday that Applied Digital Solutions of Delray Beach, Fla., could market the VeriChip, an implantable computer chip about the size of a grain of rice, for medical purposes.

With the pinch of a syringe, the microchip is inserted under the skin in a procedure that takes less than 20 minutes and leaves no stitches. Silently and invisibly, the dormant chip stores a code that releases patient-specific information when a scanner passes over it.

Think UPC code. The identifier, emblazoned on a food item, brings up its name and price on the cashier’s screen.

Chip's dual uses raise alarm
The VeriChip itself contains no medical records, just codes that can be scanned, and revealed, in a doctor’s office or hospital. With that code, the health providers can unlock that portion of a secure database that holds that person’s medical information, including allergies and prior treatment. The electronic database, not the chip, would be updated with each medical visit.

The microchips have already been implanted in 1 million pets. But the chip’s possible dual use for tracking people’s movements — as well as speeding delivery of their medical information to emergency rooms — has raised alarm.

“If privacy protections aren’t built in at the outset, there could be harmful consequences for patients,� said Emily Stewart, a policy analyst at the Health Privacy Project.

To protect patient privacy, the devices should reveal only vital medical information, like blood type and allergic reactions, needed for health care workers to do their jobs, Stewart said.

An information technology guru at Detroit Medical Center, however, sees the benefits of the devices and will lobby for his center’s inclusion in a VeriChip pilot program.

“One of the big problems in health care has been the medical records situation. So much of it is still on paper,� said David Ellis, the center’s chief futurist and co-founder of the Michigan Electronic Medical Records Initiative.

'Part of the future of medicine'
As “medically mobile� patients visit specialists for care, their records fragment on computer systems that don’t talk to each other.

“It’s part of the future of medicine to have these kinds of technologies that make life simpler for the patient,� Ellis said. Pushing for the strongest encryption algorithms to ensure hackers can’t nab medical data as information transfers from chip to reader to secure database, will help address privacy concerns, he said.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services on Wednesday announced $139 million in grants to help make real President Bush’s push for electronic health records for most Americans within a decade.

William A. Pierce, an HHS spokesman, could not say whether VeriChip and its accompanying secure database of medical records fit within that initiative.

“Exactly what those technologies are is still to be sorted out,� Pierce said. “It all has to respect and comport with the privacy rules.�

Applied Digital gave away scanners to a few hundred animal shelters and veterinary clinics when it first entered the pet market 15 years ago. Now, 50,000 such scanners have been sold.

To kickstart the chip’s use among humans, Applied Digital will provide $650 scanners for free at 200 of the nation’s trauma centers.

Implantation costs $150 to $200
In pets, installing the chip runs about $50. For humans, the chip implantation cost would be $150 to $200, said Angela Fulcher, an Applied Digital spokeswoman.

Fulcher could not say whether the cost of data storage and encrypted transmission of medical information would be passed to providers.

Because the VeriChip is invisible, it’s also unclear how health care workers would know which unconscious patients to scan. Company officials say if the chip use becomes routine, scanning triceps for hidden chips would become second nature at hospitals.

Ultimately, the company hopes patients who suffer from such ailments as diabetes and Alzheimer’s or who undergo complex treatments, like chemotherapy, would have chips implanted. If the procedure proves as popular for use in humans as in pets, that could mean up to 1 million chips implanted in people. So far, just 1,000 people across the globe have had the devices implanted, very few of them in the United States.

The company’s chief executive officer, Scott R. Silverman, is one of a half dozen executives who had chips implanted. Silverman said chips implanted for medical uses could also be used for security purposes, like tracking employee movement through nuclear power plants.

Such security uses are rare in the United States.

Meanwhile, the chip has been used for pure whimsy: Club hoppers in Barcelona, Spain, now use the microchip to enter a VIP area and, through links to a different database, speed payment much like a smartcard.
 
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I think it's a dandy idea...as long as we still maintain privacy.
 

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to me it would lead to easy of a way to abuse it.. extra encoding would be easy.. and most of us, would not be able to detect it.. personally, I don't think I would opt to have it.. but that is just me..
 

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Its a dandy idea untill they add it into the newer Patriot Act's and where they can just tap into it for no reason and know where we are at all times.
 
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i'm with matt d on this one. i think it'd be a good idea for criminals and such, especially registered sex offenders. but as far as regular citizens, sounds like a bad idea.

on another note, i almost bought applied digital stock a few years ago when it was 30 cents a share. wish i had, checked it a month ago, it was over 7 bucks.
 
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Exactly, why I said said as long as we maintain that "privacy" think ;)

I don't automatically assume the government is going to use this as a big giant ploy to control our lives and track our ever move like some conspiracy theorists, so I think it's a perfectly OK thing since "we have the choice of whether or not to put the damn thing into our bodies!" If someone wants to use this thing to make their lives more convenient, then they sacrificed privacy for convenience; that's a choice they made! The FDA's job is to decide whether or not it's safe (and they suck at that), not to theorize about whether or not we'll be incorporating it into the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act...ROFL.
 

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I think it is an absoultely HORRIBLE idea. I could ramble on about the implications that I believe this has, but it will probably result in most people telling me I am paranoid or a religious freak.
 
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If your talking about some biblical implications I think I know where you're going. I thought about it, too. Revelations, Anti-Christ, little people tracking devices...lol. I don't think we're quite there, yet...
 
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Give it time, Quick, give it time. The Interlacing technologies are just awaiting the PR push to grudging public acceptance.
Oh, I'm sure that sometime over the next century if the UN-ization of the USA continues of the facists in the gov't get their way, every baby born is going to be required to have one of these devices (because the government knows what's best for us of course *sarcasm*) for our safety, of course. As of lately, I have a very dim outlook on "America's future". We need a Michael Badnarick--but with some balls, and without the ignorant belief that every single part of our constitution is still applicable to this new world--for a leader. Well, I guess you can just replace Libertarian with Badnarick's name because he's none of that. He's a freggin' disgrace. He regurgitates Michael Moore's lines like they're going out of style. (Maybe too political for this forum??)
 

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Oh, I'm sure that sometime over the next century if the UN-ization of the USA continues of the facists in the gov't get their way, every baby born is going to be required to have one of these devices (because the government knows what's best for us of course *sarcasm*) for our safety, of course. As of lately, I have a very dim outlook on "America's future". We need a Michael Badnarick--but with some balls, and without the ignorant belief that every single part of our constitution is still applicable to this new world--for a leader. Well, I guess you can just replace Libertarian with Badnarick's name because he's none of that. He's a freggin' disgrace. He regurgitates Michael Moore's lines like they're going out of style. (Maybe too political for this forum??)
Couldnt agree with you more. Usually I vote libertarian but this year it will be republican. But a libertarian government would be so sweet....me dreaming of a brave, new, stay the hell out of my personal life America.

But this is getting a little too political.

I think the chip is a great thing for pets but for humans the timing is not right and it may never be.
 

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I hate to say this as an outsider, but one more terror attack and I think most of the US will be screaming blue murder to get one of these for everyone. Maybe not for citizens currently in the US, but certainly for anyone coming into the country. Seems like a natural progression to the tighter border security measures the US has taken.
Could be wrong, we're a little sensitive about this stuff in Canada.
 
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I hate to say this as an outsider, but one more terror attack and I think most of the US will be screaming blue murder to get one of these for everyone. Maybe not for citizens currently in the US, but certainly for anyone coming into the country. Seems like a natural progression to the tighter border security measures the US has taken.
Tighter border? :p You really are saying that as an outsider. If you want to equate our borders with looseness or tightnes...well go watch the "Houston" video (Houston the pornstar) and understand that we're about Houston tight ;) Just because it's a little tighter than it was 3 years ago doesn't mean it's anywhere near tight. Live in California, you'll understand.
Could be wrong, we're a little sensitive about this stuff in Canada.
Sensitive about our tight"er" borders? Why?
 
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Kwych, he does have a point..
I guess he does... :think: I just dont see it happening. In fact, I really, really, don't see it happening. Even if it did, what's it going to accomplish? I mean these people are "suicide" bombers, so by the time they've blown up it's too late for this little device to have done anything productive. Do you expect that they'll monitor every person's every move. That would take a huge amount of manpower. I think it would be much easier just to close the borders up real tight and forget about political correctness and racially profile. Honestly...it cracks me up when a guy wearing a hijab and holding a copy of the Koran is allowed to pass "random inspection" at the airport, and then the fat, bald white guy with a cross on his neck, eating a pork sandwich with his whole family has to take off his shoes to check for a bomb...How productive is this??? When someone goes to or from American from most countries they have to fly. Is this little device going to transmit data back to our government and determine if the guy's got C4 strapped to his back? But then again, I guess I'm not imaginative enough to be a conspiracy theorist...
 

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I think it is an absoultely HORRIBLE idea. I could ramble on about the implications that I believe this has, but it will probably result in most people telling me I am paranoid or a religious freak.
I hear you on that one size. It's hard not to read that with out this turning into a biblical discussion. The other day they were talking about putting a micro chip in kids in case they are kidnapped.
 

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I hear you on that one size. It's hard not to read that with out this turning into a biblical discussion. The other day they were talking about putting a micro chip in kids in case they are kidnapped.
I find it to be very frightening.
 
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I watched a portion on parents tracking their kids like this, and I think that's a bad idea. If "they" can track their kids (or track anybody in general), any random person with the correct knowledge could track that person as well.

I can see this being a problem in ignorance, but I don't see some huge political conspiracy for the government to keep track of it's population closely, nor do I see the idea that foreigners will be stuck with this thing in the future as a result of fearful Americans.

Did any of you watch Manchurian candidate? LOL. Ironic the timing, eh?
 

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as in thinking it is okay VG?
Yes, the government does everything by incrementalism. When they pass some legislation they it will never go too far and it always does. Take social security for example, they said we would never be identified by our ss number and made other promises about it when it first passed now look at it.
 

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If your talking about some biblical implications I think I know where you're going. I thought about it, too. Revelations, Anti-Christ, little people tracking devices...lol. I don't think we're quite there, yet...
I was thinking the same thing.
 
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The average person should be more concerned with the cell phone they carry around, the majority of cell phones can serve as real time trackers to within 40 meters of your location whenever it's powered up and the fact that your medical records are accessible to anyone with good medical or insurance contacts now.
There we go; that puts things into perspective ;)
 

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You can drop a cell phone in the sewer or a trash can or leave it on a train whenever you want. You can't remove an object from beneath your flesh with such ease.
 

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Sensitive about our tight"er" borders? Why?[/QUOTE]

Kwych,

Fundamentally your border regulations are entirely your own business. We get worked up about them here because they so directly impact upon Canada. Something in excess of 85% of our exports flow across the border into the US. Likewise, a ridiculously high % of goods coming into canada is from the US. Any measures that make it more difficult make the economics in canada suck large. I work in an autoplant, and we usually lose 2-3 days a year total (couple hours here and there) to parts not getting across or car transports not getting in the US quickly enough. More border delay = more days production lost = less investment and $ in my pockets. Being so dependant on the US makes us sensitive to any border changes.

Just after 9/11 there was talk about making all visitors to the US register on the way in with address of destination, phone # to be reached at etc. This was shelved as unworkable. They still plan on making all visitors have visas to enter/exit US in the next few years. All of this adds up to longer waiting times to enter/exit the US, which directly screws our economy.

This is pretty longwinded, but I hope it explains why Canadians are generally sensitive to US border changes. Understand I'm not criticising any changes the US decides to make, so there is no need to flame, hell I'm sure Canada would do the same if attacked.
 

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You're right. That HARRP stuff is some scary ****. Lord only knows what the outcome of their experimenting is going to be, but I'd sure hate to see what happens if they screw the ioniosphere up. Pretty scary to consider that one of the projects they're exploring is weather manipulation would be usable as a weapon in wartime.
 
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Sensitive about our tight"er" borders? Why?
Kwych,

Fundamentally your border regulations are entirely your own business. We get worked up about them here because they so directly impact upon Canada. Something in excess of 85% of our exports flow across the border into the US. Likewise, a ridiculously high % of goods coming into canada is from the US. Any measures that make it more difficult make the economics in canada suck large. I work in an autoplant, and we usually lose 2-3 days a year total (couple hours here and there) to parts not getting across or car transports not getting in the US quickly enough. More border delay = more days production lost = less investment and $ in my pockets. Being so dependant on the US makes us sensitive to any border changes.

Just after 9/11 there was talk about making all visitors to the US register on the way in with address of destination, phone # to be reached at etc. This was shelved as unworkable. They still plan on making all visitors have visas to enter/exit US in the next few years. All of this adds up to longer waiting times to enter/exit the US, which directly screws our economy.

This is pretty longwinded, but I hope it explains why Canadians are generally sensitive to US border changes. Understand I'm not criticising any changes the US decides to make, so there is no need to flame, hell I'm sure Canada would do the same if attacked.
I understand, but if we don't tighted our borders, we have a much greater chance of nearly shutting them down if we get hit hard again. To me it's just one of those obstacles that life threw in the way of all of us that we're just going to have to deal with. We're worse off assuming everything will be OK with our current borders rather than taking such precautions. I understand that it sucks though...
 
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Kwych you're absolutely right. Tighten away. If it saves a nuke/chemical/biological or even a conventional explosive attack then its worth the inconvenience. Kind of ironic, the title story in one of our national newspapers on Saturday was about the negotiations to create a North American continental customs/immigration/border security policy. Now this is what I'm all for. Its only a matter of time until Canada gets hit, so tighten now and try to stop it.

Dr. D. couldn't have said it better myself. The time is coming when every man is going to have to choose. Lets just try and enjoy capitalism until then...
 
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Kwych you're absolutely right. Tighten away. If it saves a nuke/chemical/biological or even a conventional explosive attack then its worth the inconvenience. Kind of ironic, the title story in one of our national newspapers on Saturday was about the negotiations to create a North American continental customs/immigration/border security policy. Now this is what I'm all for. Its only a matter of time until Canada gets hit, so tighten now and try to stop it.

Dr. D. couldn't have said it better myself. The time is coming when every man is going to have to choose. Lets just try and enjoy capitalism until then...
Agreed ;)
 

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I personally am a lot more worried about the southern border than the northern. I dont understand why a terrorist would try and come through the US on a plane or through Canadian customs when its a free for all down south. For all the military power GW uses these days why not put an extra 1,000 troops on our own border???

As far as the tracking thing goes... I agree it is a disgusting idea. If you want to know if someone wants to alert the doctors about a condition wear a braclet, necklace or carry an ID card with info. A chip is overkill.
 

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