Seriously, is this the best that the Democrats can do? It's kind of pathetic. I can't wait to see him lose.
/karp
/karp
I've gotta agree this ticket has probs, I'm a moderate (Libertarian) and I'm young, white, male... so that makes my demographic not that important for democrats, but nonetheless I have an opinon on this ticket (and what beter place to voice it but on AM?)Seriously, is this the best that the Democrats can do? It's kind of pathetic. I can't wait to see him lose.
/karp
If I had to classify myself with a certain party, I would be a Republican, but damn that was a very powerful movie and it really showed alot of VERY SUSPICIOUS relationships regarding the Bush family and the Saudis.farenheit 9/11
I agree it was interesting, but to me it sets a bad precedent and I pretty much agree with Christopher Hitchens about it (although I usually disagree with hitchens)If I had to classify myself with a certain party, I would be a Republican, but damn that was a very powerful movie and it really showed alot of VERY SUSPICIOUS relationships regarding the Bush family and the Saudis.
I loved the part when he tried to get congressmen to sign their children up to go fight over in Iraq.
Even though I say I'd align with the Republicans, I really don't consider myself a Republican. I think Chris Rock put it best in his "Never Scared" HBO Special. This quote isn't direct but...
"I think all Republicans are idiots. I think all Democrats are idiots. Anyone who makes up their mind before they even hear an issue is a FUCKING IDIOT".
yea seriously. The first person that comes to my mind when you say pathetic is George W. Lucky for most of us we are not turning 19 next year. Those kids get free studying at Baghdad U! First lesson, how to dodge RPGs! Lucky bastards :blink:We could argue the same about your dirty republicans.
At least Kerry doesn't constantly fall off bicyles, choke on pretzels, or invade random countries for no reason.
:goodpost:I thought he did as well as can be expected of him, in fact I thought it was a pretty good speech
If he manages to screw this up and lose to the bumbling idiot currently in office...well then he doesn't derserve it anyway.
And BTW if the best the R's can do is a fortunate son with limited speech capabilites and misleading agendas, well they are pretty sad themselves IMHO.
I dont think I ever said I "supported" Bush, maybe you misread?, keep in mind just because 1: is an a**hole dosent make 2: a brite bulb.... I dont care for Bush or Kerry really...and I despise ppl like moore who help noone but themselves at everyones expense. (I say at our expense, because when we cast reality/objectivity/etc away, it turns into a 'perception' match)meerschaum,
how can you proclaim yourself a libertarian and actually support bush, ashcroft?!?
have you read the federalist paper? the laws that bush is passing, above all else, is reducing our liberty and rights to levels unimaginable by the founding fathers.
In the name of terrorism, we will protect you. another 4 years and bush will be able to send troops into your home, take you out, all on a paltry excuse of national security and you're a terrorist.
Cheney used to CEO of halliburton. now why does halliburton have a multi-billion dollar contract that was NOT open to bidding?!?
if you're a libertarian, i'll eat my foot.
fiddler
Just wondering, do you how many other companies do the work that Halliburton does?Cheney used to CEO of halliburton. now why does halliburton have a multi-billion dollar contract that was NOT open to bidding?!?
At least Kerry doesn't constantly fall off bicyles, choke on pretzels, or invade random countries for no reason.
Right, because those are the major qualifications for leader of the free world.At least Kerry doesn't constantly fall off bicyles, choke on pretzels,
1. Iraq was hardly "random," and I certainly hope you don't think Afghanistan was "random" either.or invade random countries for no reason.
It was certainly the best I've seen him do, and I give him credit. But even so, he still has the charm and charisma of my gym bag. I do agree that we need to take this as a serious threat, and I am a bit worried about this election.I thought Kerry's speech was definitly the 'speech of his life'. A wake up call to me and should be to all Republicans to take this seriously.
Because they've been doing business in the Middle East for years and thus already have the infrastructure in place to do the work. Awarding the bid to anyone else would have cost more time and money. Not that there's really very many (if any) other companies that have the capacity to do this kind of work on this scale.Cheney used to CEO of halliburton. now why does halliburton have a multi-billion dollar contract that was NOT open to bidding?!?
At least he can pronounce all the words in his speech correctly.Seriously, is this the best that the Democrats can do? It's kind of pathetic. I can't wait to see him lose.
/karp
No, it was 100% random. There is currently no evidence that Iraq was any threat to us at all.1. Iraq was hardly "random," and I certainly hope you don't think Afghanistan was "random" either.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5412317/site/newsweek2. The reason that GWB invaded Iraq (originally) was believed by Kerry, the French, Germans, Russians, the rest of the UN, and pretty much everybody else that was either against the invasion at the time or is against the war now.
Please site some sort of source for the baby killer comment. I can't find any place where he does it. This is as close I can get:Please ignore the videos of me calling American troops baby killers and the interview of me where I talk about throwing my medals over the fence. Because I'm proud of my military service, since it is now politically advantageous to do so.
He made many televised appearances during that era and also co-authored a book. I'll try to find a source but it'll take some time. I'm sure I read it or heard it somewhere.Please site some sort of source for the baby killer comment. I can't find any place where he does it. This is as close I can get:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/23/kerry.vietnam/
You are correct; there is currently no evidence.No, it was 100% random. There is currently no evidence that Iraq was any threat to us at all.
No he did not. Neither did Bush. Everyone was misled by the CIA.Yes, Kerry certainly seemed to have access to fair and balanced intelligence reports, didn't he?
Perhaps without these false reports, the rest of the world didn't see the need to go along with us.
1. Please find (you probably can) a less biased source for this information.UN knew they had weapons of mass destruction you say?
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/BuildingTheCase.asp#InspectionProcessSoFarRevealsNoReasonForWar
We were probably wrong about the WMD. But pretty much everyone has stopped calling Bush a liar because it has become very clear that he was misled by the CIA just like everyone else. Either way, though Hussein had to go at some point. He was a destablilizing influence in a part of the world that is very important to our economy and thus to our national security.The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals can at least take new information, revise their assumptions and admit they were wrong.
Because they've been doing business in the Middle East for years and thus already have the infrastructure in place to do the work. Awarding the bid to anyone else would have cost more time and money. Not that there's really very many (if any) other companies that have the capacity to do this kind of work on this scale.
There is, BTW, not one shred of evidence that Cheney has lifted a finger to help Halliburton since he's been in office.
/karp
Yeah, everyone in the US. What about those other countries and the UN? Oh, right, they didn't want to go to war for a reason. Their intelligence sources didn't turn up any evidence.No he did not. Neither did Bush. Everyone was misled by the CIA.
Is it biased, or does it just collect the facts relative to a particular point of view? There's a difference.1. Please find (you probably can) a less biased source for this information.
Yes, because we gave them to him. As you'll note from my original list, there was a huge amount of pressure on Iraq and they were cooperating more and more.2. We know he had them before, because he used them before. He had no records of what he did with them.
See my last comment. Maybe he was just a prick, until the gun was pointed at him. He certainly seemed to be cooperating at the end.3. Hussein had kicked weapons inspectors out of the country before, and denied them access to certain places. This certainly shows that he had something to hide.
Lesse, 18 months, 160k troops, offering rewards for info to half the population and torturing the everloving **** out of the other half... I'm willing to bet we're not going to find anything.4. Iraq is the size of California. Just because we haven't found them doesn't mean we never will.
I find it interesting the one thing you failed to quote from my last post was the quote of the CIA official talking about "how the war is going to happen no matter what". Remember Richard Pearle? It seems pretty obvious that the administration got the intelligence results it wanted. Politics shaping intelligence reports.We were probably wrong about the WMD. But pretty much everyone has stopped calling Bush a liar because it has become very clear that he was misled by the CIA just like everyone else.
Well, then call up the prez. Israel has unauthorized nukes. Pakistan too, and theyir scientists are selling nuke secrets. Oh, and Saudi Arabia seems to fund an awful lot of Al Qaeda activity, don't they? When you're done with that, we can hit Iran and Syria.And what if Hussein had had WMD's? What if he did supply them to a terrorist group? Can you imagine a chemical attack in a city like New York? Personally, I think that the risk of that happening (which was at least a remote possibility, based on what we new at the time), is enough to justify a war. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
nah bro. they're republicans. They're not about money or power...they just want what's best for you.Isn;t that besides the point?? If Halliburton could do the work so much cheaper then why not open up the process to have more transparency?
Not a single shred? Wasn't there news about Pentagon emails with Cheney's office and a recent article in the Time magazine?
Isn't it more reasonable to assume cronyism on Bush's and Cheney's part due to their long association with the oil industry and Halliburton being a beneficiary of corporate welfare?
What about Halliburton's oil scandal in Iraq?
One of my cousins has a really great bumper sticker on her car..................................Even though I say I'd align with the Republicans, I really don't consider myself a Republican. I think Chris Rock put it best in his "Never Scared" HBO Special. This quote isn't direct but...
"I think all Republicans are idiots. I think all Democrats are idiots. Anyone who makes up their mind before they even hear an issue is a FUCKING IDIOT".
...........I thought he did as well as can be expected of him, in fact I thought it was a pretty good speech ........
Thanks for that site, im going to link that on AIMDoudes you listen to Hannity don't ya.
Check out this link.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com
Some war hero... What a tool
Terrorism built up 8 years under Clinton and 7 months on Bush before 9/11. I believe they both have responsibility in not doing enough to prevent 9/11. With that said, 9/11 couldn't have been prevented.You liberal bastards can come over also, we have a special section where we can but heads anything goes style :rasp:
Most politicians are fortunate sons. There is another one running for president too his name is john Kerry. Gore was one as well.And BTW if the best the R's can do is a fortunate son with limited speech capabilites and misleading agendas, well they are pretty sad themselves IMHO
You people are incorrigible! WMD were NOT used in the gulf war. Please show me a news source that says otherwise. And yes, I've heard of Gulf War Syndrome and how they're trying to blame it on chemical or nerve agents. But is there any conclusive proof of this?Definitly, Sean Hannity brought up a 'overlooked' or 'forgotten' point on Weapons of Mass Destruction.
WMD existed. Saddam killed his thousands own people with them numerous times. We know this. The fact we haven't found the stockpiles in Iraq is all that the Democrats hang onto in this election.
To say these "never" existed is a lie. The gulf war show this and the mass graves of Iraqi families rotting beside each other show this.
[/font][font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]So had the inspectors failed? [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Prior to their departure, the inspection teams had destroyed or made unusable 48 long range missiles, 14 conventional missile warheads, 30 chemical warheads, "supergun" components, close to 40,000 chemical munitions, 690 tonnes of chemical weapons agents and the al-Hakam biological weapons plant. It had discovered evidence of a nuclear programme that was more advanced than previously expected. [/font]
[font=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Some inspectors suspected that Iraq's NBC programmes remained intact. However, the former Unscom inspector, Scott Ritter, insisted that Iraq was left with no capability to resume NBC programmes or weaponise any hidden stocks. The Bush administration refuses to accept this, but with no reliable monitoring since 1998, there is no way of knowing if Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction.
He is right you Lib, do some research!WMD existed. Saddam killed his thousands own people with them numerous times. We know this. The fact we haven't found the stockpiles in Iraq is all that the Democrats hang onto in this election
This character assassination by the right is getting ridiculous. We could do the same thing to Bush easily, and it gets neither side anywhere. So far it seems that the conservatives are annoyed that they haven't found enough in the way of adultery and/or lack of military service, their typical weapons of choice when attacking liberals, to get them an excellent footing for spewing their hate attacks. It seems to me that the left is not concerning themselves as much with killing Bush's character and/or history as they are concerned with what has actually happened since he took office, which I (as well as many others) have found little in the way of positives for this country. You can demonize Kerry all you want, but all a rational person has to do is look at Bush's record in office and the general place the US is in right now to see we are going down the wrong road, IMHO.(not originally mine, reprinted without permission)
John Kerry's Resume....
He served in Nam for 4 months, he was never shot, his wounds were VERY superficial, as soon as he could he high tailed it out of there and left his men behind. As soon as he got home he joined up with hanoi jane fonda and preceeded to **** on all of the men he had served with that were still over there risking their lives.So far it seems that the conservatives are annoyed that they haven't found enough in the way of adultery and/or lack of military service,
could you provide a source for this. i'm not saying that you are lying, but i heard an interview of Douglas Brinkley, who wrote a book on Kerry, and he mentioned that Kerry was one of the top students at Yale.COLLEGE: I [Kerry] graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
he served 4 years in the navy. 4.5 months in the swift boat. a post he requested even though swift boat sailors suffered high casualty rates. he got all the medals because he repeatedly put his life on the line. there are not many people in politics these days who can claim to have done the same.He served in Nam for 4 months, he was never shot, his wounds were VERY superficial, as soon as he could he high tailed it out of there and left his men behind.
another popular misrepresentation by republicans and the hangers on. Kerry is not the most liberal senator in the US. he voted against the tax-cuts because he is fiscally conservative. The National Journal scored those votes as "liberal" even though you could argue they were conservative votes, and Kerry missed most of the other votes because he was out campaigning so the journal (mis)labelled as a liberal.I'll say it again, the democrats should have nominated more of a moderate. America isn't going to elect Mr. #1 Liberal and Mr. #4 Liberal - or a Senator from Mass.
Give me a break Jw. Your smart enought to know the left does the extact same thing.This character assassination by the right is getting ridiculous. We could do the same thing to Bush easily, and it gets neither side anywhere. So far it seems that the conservatives are annoyed that they haven't found enough in the way of adultery and/or lack of military service, their typical weapons of choice when attacking liberals, to get them an excellent footing for spewing their hate attacks.
The fact is Kerry has the most liberal voting record in the senate. The national journal is non partisan. Libs have often used it in the past to say certain candidates are too conservative. Now they are pissed the tables have turned.another popular misrepresentation by republicans and the hangers on. Kerry is not the most liberal senator in the US.
What are you taxing about here? Tax cuts........ the notion of you keeping more of your own money is generally a conservative principle. Voting against tax cuts would be a liberal position not fiscally conservative. If you'r trying to say that it is fiscally conservative because of balancing the budget, I take it you would support cutting government spending as well?he voted against the tax-cuts because he is fiscally conservative. The National Journal scored those votes as "liberal" even though you could argue they were conservative votes, and Kerry missed most of the other votes because he was out campaigning so the journal (mis)labelled as a liberal.
How's your reading comprehension? I asked for proof that he used them in the gulf war, you conservie.He is right you Lib, do some research!
Chemical Ali," Saddam's cousin and a key general and governor of southern Iraq, earned his chilling nickname by using chemical weapons to suppress a Kurdish rebellion in northern Iraq in the late 1980s, killing thousands.
Here are some pictures of a few of the attacks on the kurds if you still want to deny he ever had WOMD.
http://www.krg.org/reference/halabja/halabja4.asp
These are graphic so be warned.
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