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    Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag


    Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
    Full interview below w/ Steve Pieczenik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Paul Joseph Watson
    May 4, 2011

    Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

    Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik.) He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

    Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

    Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

    The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

    Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” (The Jones Report: Steve Pieczenik: Paradigm Management) and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.

    Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

    Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

    “He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
    CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July | World news | The Guardian

    “He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

    “Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

    “It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

    “Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.

    Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

    “He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

    “This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

    Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

    Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.
    Inside Sources: Bin Laden’s Corpse Has Been On Ice For Nearly a Decade

    Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

    During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

    “They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming **** Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

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    “It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

    “I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

    Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

    Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.

    Watch the full interview with Dr. Pieczenik below. 7 parts, May 3 2011

    part 1

    part 2

    part 3
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    part 4

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    Edit: Posted in thread, want this as front page material

    Osama Bin Laden: Pakistan's skepticism over videos

    By Paul Joseph Watson

    In a BBC News report, Orla Guerin interviewed dozens of people who were adamant that Bin Laden did not live in the compound, with none of them ever witnessing him or hearing rumors that he was there in the five years that Obama claimed Bin Laden was a resident in the town.

    “It’s all a fake, nothing happened,” said a newspaper seller who has been working in the town for 50 years.

    Another resident told Guerin that the man seen in the video footage of Osama allegedly flicking between television channels is in fact his neighbor, not Bin Laden.

    “His name is Akhbar Han, he owns the house they said was Osama’s house, I know him very well,” the man stated.

    After speaking to “more than 50 people in the market,” Guerin found only one who believed that the man watching television was Bin Laden.

    Actual footage BBC News Report
    BBC News - Osama Bin Laden: Pakistan's scepticism over videos

    Hoax: White House Claims 4-Year-Old Bin Laden Video Is New Footage

    By Paul Joseph Watson


    MSNBC ran the video under the headline New Video Shows Bin Laden In Gold Robe. However, these tapes are almost identical to footage first released by the Pentagon front group SITE in September 2007. In that footage, Bin Laden also appears with a dyed beard and is wearing exactly the same clothes. The only thing that differs is the color of the background, but in other tapes the background is the same brown color as the 2007 tape. As computer expert Neal Krawetz’s analysis revealed, fake backgrounds are often used on purported “Al-Qaeda” tapes, where a blue screen is used to superimpose the figure of the speaker over a pre-selected backdrop.



    The footage in these tapes purports to show Bin Laden making recordings in late 2010, and yet he looks identical to how he appeared in tapes first released in 2007.



    Obama: “We Could Not Say Definitively That Bin Laden Was There”

    Paul Joseph Watson
    May 9, 2011

    During his 60 Minutes interview with CBS News last night, Barack Obama admitted that US intelligence was only 55/45 confident that Bin Laden was even in the compound raided last Sunday night, fearing that the occupant could actually have been a “prince from Dubai,” a skepticism shared by residents of Abbottabad, one of whom told the BBC that the man seen watching television in the tapes released by the White House Saturday was in fact his neighbor, not Bin Laden.

    Footage 60 minutes w/ Obama
    Killing Bin Laden: The President's Story, Part 1 - 60 Minutes - CBS News

    Continued with Paul Joseph Watson:

    The relevant comments are made after the 10 minute mark.

    “Obviously, we’re going into the sovereign territory of another country and landing helicopters and conducting a military operation. And so if it turns out that it’s a wealthy, you know, prince from Dubai who’s in this compound, and, you know, we’ve spent Special Forces in — we’ve got problems,” Obama told 60 Minutes host Steve Kroft.

    “At the end of the day, this was still a 55/45 situation. I mean, we could not say definitively that bin Laden was there. Had he not been there, then there would have been significant consequences,” the president added.

    The White House’s massive uncertainty that Bin Laden was even in the compound and that US forces could instead have been raiding a “prince from Dubai,” is interesting given the fact that the vast majority of neighbors who lived around the house in Abbottabad remain convinced that both the man who lived there and the individual shown watching television in the tape released by US officials Saturday was not Bin Laden.
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    I can see Bush, as his approval rating dropped, and he was being killed by the democratic media for not being able to find Bin Laden, just sitting on the news that Bin Laden was dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JComp View Post
    I can see Bush, as his approval rating dropped, and he was being killed by the democratic media for not being able to find Bin Laden, just sitting on the news that Bin Laden was dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JComp View Post
    I can see Bush, as his approval rating dropped, and he was being killed by the democratic media for not being able to find Bin Laden, just sitting on the news that Bin Laden was dead.
    Bush was not truly not concerned about Bin Laden vvvvvvv

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    There was a day mainstream media did real investigative reporting...We miss you Dan Rather. According to this report Bin Laden was getting serious medical treatment hours before 9/11 ever happened.

    Bin Laden was terminally ill in 2001 with "marfan syndrome (Lincon's disease)" and eventually died of natural causes later that year.

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    I know all the conspiracy stuff to 911, but none of it makes sense. There are too many problem for something like that to go off, even the reason behind doing such a thing seems like BS.
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    say for example that bin laden died in 2001....what purpose would there be for rolling him out NOW?

    i feel obama is holding back releasing pics of dead bin laden until close to election time-his position at that time will dictate rather or not he uses his 'trump' card. if obama is behind or close you can bet those pics will be released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    say for example that bin laden died in 2001....what purpose would there be for rolling him out NOW?

    i feel obama is holding back releasing pics of dead bin laden until close to election time-his position at that time will dictate rather or not he uses his 'trump' card. if obama is behind or close you can bet those pics will be released.
    Its all about announcing at a “politically expedient” time.

    There are many reasons to roll him out now, primarily to re-gain public support as they are expanding the wars in the middle east, also to further implement a police state and get people more accustomed to it (http://www.examiner.com/luxury-lifes...-on-high-alert, http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...les&id=8110916, http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...orida-airports for example) as confidence brings peoples guards down. Im just speculating here several reasons I firmly believe.

    Intel has revealed his body has frozen in ice all these years, so pics wont have any meaning. What would have meaning is if the body was handed over to an independent panel for an autopsy and forensics investigation with oversight of the American people. They rushed to dump him in the sea so I guess we can eliminate any push for that since they made it impossible to ever find out when he died.

    On CNN they state that Osama was un-armed but "resisted." The appropriate action would be to have taken him back to the states alive and put him under trial in a high court and have it played on national television. We did the same thing to the Nazi's after WWII, and we should stick to our constitutional standards and follow due process. If the court calls for an execution by all means then go for it serious criminals should be put away for good.

    I do love how these politicians posed for a picture of themselves looking at the bin laden photo's, how can you make this stuff up anymore, lol CNN called it "The Obama death stare:"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Its all about announcing at a “politically expedient” time.

    There are many reasons to roll him out now, primarily to re-gain public support as they are expanding the wars in the middle east, also to further implement a police state and get people more accustomed to it (The super-sized security in New York is still prompting people to be on guard - New York Luxury Lifestyle | Examiner.com, Security up at LA venues since Osama Bin Laden's death | abc7.com, South Florida airports, seaports, rails step up security - Sun Sentinel for example) as confidence brings peoples guards down. Im just speculating here several reasons I firmly believe.

    Intel has revealed his body has frozen in ice all these years, so pics wont have any meaning. What would have meaning is if the body was handed over to an independent panel for an autopsy and forensics investigation with oversight of the American people. They rushed to dump him in the sea so I guess we can eliminate any push for that since they made it impossible to ever find out when he died.

    On CNN they state that Osama was un-armed but "resisted." The appropriate action would be to have taken him back to the states alive and put him under trial in a high court and have it played on national television. We did the same thing to the Nazi's after WWII, and we should stick to our constitutional standards and follow due process. If the court calls for an execution by all means then go for it serious criminals should be put away for good.

    I do love how these politicians posed for a picture of themselves looking at the bin laden photo's, how can you make this stuff up anymore, lol CNN called it "The Obama death stare:"
    Why store his body in ice, whats the point couldnt of just taken pictures back in 2001 and then destroy his body. Why do they need his body now. As why they called him dead now, there were just as many reason to do the same a year ago, or even 2 years ago, or 3 years. Almost anytime in the past 10 year there were enough reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post
    Why store his body in ice, whats the point couldnt of just taken pictures back in 2001 and then destroy his body. Why do they need his body now. As why they called him dead now, there were just as many reason to do the same a year ago, or even 2 years ago, or 3 years. Almost anytime in the past 10 year there were enough reasons.
    I dont have all the answers, all I want is an independent investigation not appointed by the white house (such as the 9/11 commission was appointed by Bush admin) to help the people get the answers. Oversight of the commission would be by the American citizens. Perhaps they can force the government to retrieve the body if they did throw it in the sea for a legitimate autopsy.

    There are people who have worked inside the government willing to take oath but are ignored.
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    Here we go again! Everything is a conspiracy! lol. Get a life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    part 4

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    Your kidding me right? Prisonplanet TV? OMG your a loon and so is Pieczenik! I thought you truthers were more thinkers than kool aid drinkers! Boy was I wrong. So what do you think? Idc about anyone else! What do YOU think is the truth?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatcop1 View Post
    Here we go again! Everything is a conspiracy! lol. Get a life!
    Quote Originally Posted by Boatcop1 View Post
    What do YOU think is the truth?

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    Can you provide me with real evidence that Bin Laden died recently? Please, Im looking for it.

    As far as you accusing people who question what the government tells us, how about some I provide some unclassified government documents for starters...

    9/11 isn't the first time the government planned to stage false flag terror and blame it on other governments. Operation Northwoods was placed on Kennedy's desk, but he refused to follow along with it fortunately.

    Operation Northwoods - Proposals to have the CIA attack terrorism in US cities and elsewhere.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods






    Also the Gulf on Tonkin incident that cost the lives of 60,000 Americans of my previous generation. This was a false staged attack on the USA, and we started a war over that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Can you provide me with real evidence that Bin Laden died recently? Please, Im looking for it.

    As far as you accusing people who question what the government tells us, how about some I provide some unclassified government documents for starters...

    9/11 isn't the first time the government planned to stage false flag terror and blame it on other governments. Operation Northwoods was placed on Kennedy's desk, but he refused to follow along with it fortunately.

    Operation Northwoods - Proposals to have the CIA attack terrorism in US cities and elsewhere.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods






    There also forget the Gulf on Tonkin incident that cost the lives of 60,000 Americans of my previous generation. This was a false staged attack on the USA, and we started a war over that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
    I dont give a **** about stupid false documents and old conspiracies. I asked YOU a simple question!! What do YOU think happend?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatcop1 View Post
    I dont give a **** about stupid false documents and old conspiracies. I asked YOU a simple question!! What do YOU think happend?????

    ........
    The government unclassified it, and you call it a conspiracy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    The government unclassified it, and you call it a conspiracy?

    What do YOU think happend with 911 and OBL? I want to hear YOUR opinion! Lets hear it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatcop1 View Post
    What do YOU think happend with 911 and OBL? I want to hear YOUR opinion! Lets hear it.


    Waiting......
    It doesnt matter what I think, what I do is present witnesses and evidence. The reader can choose what to believe.

    Asking for my opinion is rather irrelevant to the worlds situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    It doesnt matter what I think, what I do is present witnesses and evidence. The reader can choose what to believe.

    Asking for my opinion is rather irrelevant to the worlds situations.
    Who the F are you to come on here and spew this filth and then not even have the balls to give your opinion on the matter in which you repudiate?!

    You are filthy waste of a human being with no value to the race! Sit in your hole and scavenge the webz for with your little truther friends and stay the F out of my way because if I was ever aproched by a jackhole like you spewing your venom I would smash your little fkn head!

    You disgust me! I gave you three chances to provide your opinion on the matter and you cowardly backed down every time that's because deep down you people realize that your theroy's are rubbish and you have nothing but a couple frigging fruit loop youtube video's to back your rediculous claims!

    The saddest part of the whole thing is how much credit you give the U.S. Government for hiding such atrocities! Pa-lease!!!!!
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    I have to laugh at conspiracy theories - and the idiots who believe in them - particulary Alex Jones. Seriously folks.

    UBL and AQ took down the Twin Towers - no mystery to it. They admitted as much.

    UBL got his justice three days ago from some brave US Navy SEALS and now he is spinning through every level of Hell Satan constructed. And - he WILL hit all of them!

    EDIT: To believe the US government was involved in 9-11 means believing that the President was willing to kill 3,000 Americans. Not only that - but he also identified at least three pilots willing to to do the same - and also willing to kill themselves in the act. Then, if you really want to get radical - you have to believe that lots of other men were involved to "rig" explosions in the Twin Towers to make them fall as fast they did. You have to believe that there were numerous people working for the President to coordinate all this ... and you have to believe that all these people were involved and not a single one of them is talking.

    And you have to believe the President did it to ... wait for it ... invade the WONDERFUL country of Afghanistan! A country that offers us ... nothing except maybe some opium.

    And you have to believe that every tape that Bin Laden has put out since 9-11 is a fake ... so you have to believe that MORE people are involved making these fake tapes. And you have to believe that ... somehow they aren't partisan - because they make these fakes for Republican Presidents (who supposedly initiated the whole conspiracy) as well as Democratic ones who inherited them.

    Funny as hell. Hundreds of people would have to be involved and all of them silent. Ludicrous.

    The simplest answer is always the most reliable answer - and that is - AQ was pissed off and caused 9-11. The rest is a reaction to that event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatcop1 View Post
    Who the F are you to come on here and spew this filth and then not even have the balls to give your opinion on the matter in which you repudiate?!

    You are filthy waste of a human being with no value to the race! Sit in your hole and scavenge the webz for with your little truther friends and stay the F out of my way because if I was ever aproched by a jackhole like you spewing your venom I would smash your little fkn head!

    You disgust me! I gave you three chances to provide your opinion on the matter and you cowardly backed down every time that's because deep down you people realize that your theroy's are rubbish and you have nothing but a couple frigging fruit loop youtube video's to back your rediculous claims!

    The saddest part of the whole thing is how much credit you give the U.S. Government for hiding such atrocities! Pa-lease!!!!!
    My opinion is that the American people should appoint an independent panel to investigate the situation. Its not a matter of my opinion to be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    My opinion is that the American people should appoint an investigative panel to look into the situation. Its not a matter of my opinion to be honest.
    What a coward! I hope this sticks around so people can see how pathetic you truthers are! Any time your challenged or asked what YOU think it becomes a song and dance!

    You post all this crap on here to try and influence other's opinion but cannot provide your own! Punk ass move.

    Done/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatcop1 View Post
    What a coward! I hope this sticks around so people can see how pathetic you truthers are! Any time your challenged or asked what YOU think it becomes a song and dance!

    You post all this crap on here to try and influence other's opinion but cannot provide your own! Punk ass move.

    Done/
    People have a right to their own opinion, I am not the one to influence them. I just present witnesses and evidence and the reader can have their own opinion, and yours is welcoming to me as it is your right to do so.

    What really matters to me is that I help the family of 9/11 victims get a new independent investigation going...

    9/11 victims families message to President Obama and all the people of New York
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    My opinion is that the American people should appoint an independent panel to investigate the situation. Its not a matter of my opinion to be honest.
    Not getting into it, but nobody should be against an independent investigation.

    Furthermore, to not question our government is unpatriotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    And you have to believe that every tape that Bin Laden has put out since 9-11 is a fake ... so you have to believe that MORE people are involved making these fake tapes.
    Actually, I have CIA Officials here admitting to faking a Bin Laden video and planning out other extensive other fake projects including a fake hidden camera footage of Saddam Hussein and a teenage boy having sex. in this Washington Post article.

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-t...deas_to_d.html
    quote:
    "The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

    Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects."

    Fake Saddam video plot
    http://www.theworld.org/2010/05/fake-saddam-video-plot/
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post

    EDIT: To believe the US government was involved in 9-11 means believing that the President was willing to kill 3,000 Americans. Not only that - but he also identified at least three pilots willing to to do the same - and also willing to kill themselves in the act. Then, if you really want to get radical - you have to believe that lots of other men were involved to "rig" explosions in the Twin Towers to make them fall as fast they did. You have to believe that there were numerous people working for the President to coordinate all this ... and you have to believe that all these people were involved and not a single one of them is talking.
    In regards to this statement, how do you feel about when the US General of all American Intelligence (Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army) says 9/11 is a fraud?

    Quote:
    "Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984, commanding 15,000 intelligence and security personnel. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career. Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.

    Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence says:
    Pentagon NOT hit by a plane
    WTC 7 brought down by explosives
    Media in America is controlled


    General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Actually, I have CIA Officials here admitting to faking a Bin Laden video and planning out other extensive other fake projects including a fake hidden camera footage of Saddam Hussein and a teenage boy having sex. in this Washington Post article.

    http://www.theworld.org/2010/05/fake-saddam-video-plot/
    Uhm ... Sorry - but you don't. You're doing exactly what you "Troofers" always do when your idiotic conspiracy theories are challenged - you're changing the subject.

    The faked tapes you're talking about are "Psyops" tactics - which are a part of war. The tapes i'm talking about are the tapes that UBL made to inspire his followers and give them directions worldwide.

    The CIA didn't make those there, Mr. Rocket Scientist. In fact - many in the US Government thought UBL was dead after the main military thrust into Afghanistan. Why would they allow that thought to get out into the open only to "fake" tapes to ressurect the guy?

    I know you'll have an INCREDIBLE answer to that because TROOFERS always do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    In regards to this statement, how do you feel about when the US General of all American Intelligence (Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army) says 9/11 is a fraud?
    Anyone who believes the US government "pulled off" 9-11 is a fraud.

    You can drag out any military expert you want. I got 24 years of Naval Service and I can tell you - there are plenty of fools in the US military - especially in the retired ranks. See Jesse Ventura.

    EDIT: Here's UBL himself explaining what he did. YouTube - Bin Laden Laughs at Truthers

    Yeah ... I know ... faked tape right? All YOUR evidence is 100 percent valid (including the extraordinary leaps of logic required to believe your silly theory) ... and every point that indicts your theory is a fraud or "faked" by the CIA. Wonderful to have your "magical" side of the argument there bro.

    You are disgracing the memory of so many Americans killed on 9-11 - not to mention the Soldiers we've lost - ALL OF WHOM - were more worthy of respect than your silly troofer theories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    The CIA didn't make those there, Mr. Rocket Scientist. In fact - many in the US Government thought UBL was dead after the main military thrust into Afghanistan. Why would they allow that thought to get out into the open only to "fake" tapes to ressurect the guy?
    Your asking for my opinion, I have the CIA admitting to creating the tape and planning others. Its to influence public opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post

    You are disgracing the memory of so many Americans killed on 9-11 - not to mention the Soldiers we've lost - ALL OF WHOM - were more worthy of respect than your silly troofer theories.
    That is very far from the truth.

    I promised 9/11 families that I would fight for an independent investigation...and I have friends/family in the military who I respect for serving the country who can openly have a conversation about these things with me without accusing me of being some conspiracy theorist and are quite open minded with the evidence/witnesses I provide them.

    If you are denying the families of 9/11 a non-government sponsored investigation who are asking for it, isnt that a disgrace?

    Are you going to deny the families of 9/11 victims below who lost her loved one at the WTC a real independent investigation?

    9/11 victim's families


    And these victims
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boatcop1 View Post
    Who the F are you to come on here and spew this filth and then not even have the balls to give your opinion on the matter in which you repudiate?!

    You are filthy waste of a human being with no value to the race! Sit in your hole and scavenge the webz for with your little truther friends and stay the F out of my way because if I was ever aproched by a jackhole like you spewing your venom I would smash your little fkn head!

    You disgust me! I gave you three chances to provide your opinion on the matter and you cowardly backed down every time that's because deep down you people realize that your theroy's are rubbish and you have nothing but a couple frigging fruit loop youtube video's to back your rediculous claims!

    The saddest part of the whole thing is how much credit you give the U.S. Government for hiding such atrocities! Pa-lease!!!!!
    You need to relax. Express yourself without insulting.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    Helicopters land 50 yards from a military training facility at 1:30AM - nothing.
    His body was in the water before the DNA results were confirmed.
    DNA match to family members multiple times removed.
    Islamic rites: bury ASAP, most dignified in the ground, buried at sea is considered lost not buried -"buried at sea is not acceptable".
    No pictures, no proof, no evidence whatsoever - trust me, he dead, we killed him.
    No picture, we don't want to incite them - what are we afraid now?

    Your freedom has been bought and sold with your right to have full disclosure and truth. You are told what is true and what is not. You have no power or authority to challenge anything your government tells you.

    We will defend democracy and the human rights of all people foreign and domestic as long as we don't hurt their feelings, force them against their will to disclose information, violate their civil liberties and right, offend their belief systems, and or say or do anything that is "mean". This is a bull**** state of affairs that we have allowed our government to subject us to.

    We paid Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians then we ****ed him. He was true to his cause to retaliate and have his revenge. His legacy will not only be the WTC bombing but it will also be that he caused our very freedom to be taken by our government - that will be his legacy and his success.

    Open your eyes people. It is not we the people for the people. It is we the government and whatever the **** we want to tell the people is best for the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    You need to relax. Express yourself without insulting.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    Helicopters land 50 yards from a military training facility at 1:30AM - nothing.
    His body was in the water before the DNA results were confirmed.
    DNA match to family members multiple times removed.
    Islamic rites: bury ASAP, most dignified in the ground, buried at sea is considered lost not buried -"buried at sea is not acceptable".
    No pictures, no proof, no evidence whatsoever - trust me, he dead, we killed him.
    No picture, we don't want to incite them - what are we afraid now?

    Your freedom has been bought and sold with your right to have full disclosure and truth. You are told what is true and what is not. You have no power or authority to challenge anything your government tells you.

    We will defend democracy and the human rights of all people foreign and domestic as long as we don't hurt their feelings, force them against their will to disclose information, violate their civil liberties and right, offend their belief systems, and or say or do anything that is "mean". This is a bull**** state of affairs that we have allowed our government to subject us to.

    We paid Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians then we ****ed him. He was true to his cause to retaliate and have his revenge. His legacy will not only be the WTC bombing but it will also be that he caused our very freedom to be taken by our government - that will be his legacy and his success.

    Open your eyes people. It is not we the people for the people. It is we the government and whatever the **** we want to tell the people is best for the people.
    Not blowin smoke up an admin's rectum here, but dang... that has to be one of the absolute best pieces that I have read on the topic to date. Kudos. Major kudos.
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    I heard from very reliable sources about OBL being dead many years ago from medical reasons.

    I see the sudden reappearance and death as a precursor to actually reduce some aspects of military spending...something has to get cut in order to keep the economy from totally tanking within the next year or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by methusaleh View Post
    I heard from very reliable sources about OBL being dead many years ago from medical reasons.

    I see the sudden reappearance and death as a precursor to actually reduce some aspects of military spending...something has to get cut in order to keep the economy from totally tanking within the next year or so.
    I wish this were true but I fear Americans keep this stupid lie of a war going, just out of egotistical pride to justify the billions already spent and the lives wasted. When will this absurdity end!
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    FOXNews.com
    Report: Bin Laden Already Dead
    Wednesday, December 26, 2001
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn;
    You need to relax. Express yourself without insulting.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    Helicopters land 50 yards from a military training facility at 1:30AM - nothing.
    His body was in the water before the DNA results were confirmed.
    DNA match to family members multiple times removed.
    Islamic rites: bury ASAP, most dignified in the ground, buried at sea is considered lost not buried -"buried at sea is not acceptable".
    No pictures, no proof, no evidence whatsoever - trust me, he dead, we killed him.
    No picture, we don't want to incite them - what are we afraid now?

    Your freedom has been bought and sold with your right to have full disclosure and truth. You are told what is true and what is not. You have no power or authority to challenge anything your government tells you.

    We will defend democracy and the human rights of all people foreign and domestic as long as we don't hurt their feelings, force them against their will to disclose information, violate their civil liberties and right, offend their belief systems, and or say or do anything that is "mean". This is a bull**** state of affairs that we have allowed our government to subject us to.

    We paid Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians then we ****ed him. He was true to his cause to retaliate and have his revenge. His legacy will not only be the WTC bombing but it will also be that he caused our very freedom to be taken by our government - that will be his legacy and his success.

    Open your eyes people. It is not we the people for the people. It is we the government and whatever the **** we want to tell the people is best for the people.

    God bless America.
    I served as well... Post 9-11
    Our beautiful country has strayed far from it's meaning... All our country is was an idea, those ideals have long been overlooked and replaced by corruption. Internationally we are now considered more communist then China.

    There are very few people that really know what has gone on and I doubt that will change. None of us should say we know anything for sure, but to say our media isn't controlled and our government hasn't intentionally lied to us and the world is a fantasy I wish I could believe.

    In response to whatever that comment was supposed to be above...
    Troofers? Really? That's a really intelligent way to discuss something, you sheep. (sorry I had to)

    If anybody's interested, look up Ron Paul... I don't agree with everything he says but he is one of the only men "representing" us that actually votes according to what he says. And hasn't changed what his believes are magically based on popular trends.
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