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  1. More Alex Jones ax? I am all for the conspiracy stuff as it is fun discussion, but good lord remove tinfoil. .
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    More Alex Jones ax? I am all for the conspiracy stuff as it is fun discussion, but good lord remove tinfoil. .
    What are you talking about, prove me wrong about the Council of Foreign Relations. Alex Jones doesnt need to be a part of this, CFR is what it is, and its members are what they are. Blowing things off as conspiracy theories is a easy way to blow away from investigating the truth. I dont do this for fun, Im quite serious although I do have a sense of humor.

    Here is Gary Hart from the CFR speaking of using 9/11 to install a NWO.

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  3. The CFR is much of where our policy comes from...I have a list in this article of Obama's surroundings and the CFR.

    Obama’s Council On Foreign Relations Crew

    Steve Watson
    Friday, Nov 7, 2008

    Meet some of president elect Obama’s leading foreign and domestic policy advisors and likely administration members, every one of them a prominent member of the Council On Foreign Relations.

    Will these people bring about "change" or will they continue to hold up the same entrenched system forged by the corporate elite for decades?

    Susan E. Rice – Council on Foreign Relations, The Brookings Institution – Served as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs under Clinton from 1997 to 2001. Former Secretary of State Madeline Albright is a longtime mentor and family friend to Rice. Critics charge that she is is ill disposed towards Europe, has little understanding of the Middle East and would essentially follow the same policies of Condoleeza Rice if appointed the next Secretary of State or the National Security Adviser.

    Anthony Lake – CFR, PNAC – Bill Clinton’s first national security adviser, who was criticized for the administration’s failure to confront the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and now acknowledges the inaction as a major mistake.

    Zbigniew Brzezinski – CFR, Trilateral Commission – Brzezinski is widely seen as the man who created Al Qaeda, and was involved in the Carter Administration plan to give arms, funding and training to the mujahideen in Afghanistan.

    Richard Clarke – CFR – Former chief counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council under Bush. Notoriously turned against the Bush administration after 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. Also advised Madeleine Albright during the Genocide in Rwanda.

    Ivo Daalder – CFR, Brookings, PNAC – Co-authored a Washington Post op-ed with neocon Robert Kagan arguing that interventionism is a bipartisan affair that should be undertaken with the approval of our democratic allies.

    Dennis Ross – CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC – Served as the director for policy planning in the State Department under President George H. W. Bush and special Middle East coordinator under President Bill Clinton. A noted supporter of the Iraq war, Ross is also a Foreign Affairs Analyst for the Fox News Channel.

    Lawrence Korb – CFR, Brookings – Director of National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Has criticized manor of the invasion of Iraq but has detailed plans to increase the manpower of the United States Army to fight the war on terror and to "spread liberal democratic values throughout the Middle East".

    Bruce Reidel – CFR, Brookings – Former CIA analyst who wishes to expand the war on terror to fight Al Qaeda across the globe. Considered to be the reason behind Barack Obama’s Hawkish views on Pakistan and his Pro India leanings on Kashmir.


    Stephen Flynn – CFR – Has been attributed with the idea for Obama’s much vaunted "Civilian Security Force". Flynn has written: "The United States should roughly replicate the Federal Reserve model by creating a Federal Security Reserve System (FSRS) with a national board of governors, 10 regional Homeland Security Districts, and 92 local branches called Metropolitan Anti-Terrorism Committees. The objective of this system would be to develop self-funding mechanisms to more fully engage a broad cross-section of American society to protect the country’s critical foundations from the widespread disruption that would arise from a terrorist attack."

    Madeline Albright - CFR, Brookings – Currently serves on the Council on Foreign Relations Board of directors. Secretary of State and US Ambassador to the United Nations under Clinton. Did not take action against the genocide in Rwanda. Defended the sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein. When asked by CBS’s 60 Minutes about the effects of sanctions: "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" Albright replied: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price — we think the price is worth it."

    This is by no means an exhaustive list. Of course, had John McCain become president, being a member of the CFR himself, his administration would have been replete with CFR representatives also. Max Boot, Lawrence Eagleburger and Henry Kissinger, to name but a few, are all CFR members and were all advisors to the McCain campaign.

    Please do your own research and add more names in the comments section of this report. It is important to document how these people are a part of the engine of global elitism and do not represent change. Only with this understanding will others wake up to the false left-right paradigm and be able to create the environment for real political change.
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  4. More recent article on Obama and the CFR:

    Obama’s Council of Corporate Kingpins: “Prosperity for the American People”?


    Andrew Gavin Marshall
    July 21, 2011


    This article explores President Obama’s White House Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, examining the 26 members of the Council, looking at their current and previously-held positions, and assessing whose interests are really being served, and who has the ear of the Obama administration when it comes to economic issues. Much has been written on the chief economic advisers inside the Cabinet who represent banking and corporate interests, such as Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner who was previously the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Instead of re-examining the more widely known conflicts of interest within the administration, this article focuses on the White House council which is specifically tasked with advising on the supposed economic “recovery.” If they have the ear of the President, is it not important to know who pays their salaries?
    Paul Volcker, former Chairman of the Federal Reserve System, was until recently, Chairman of the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. Upon leaving, Jeffrey R. Immelt, the Chairman and CEO of the General Electric Company, became the new Chair of the Council. The Advisory Board was re-named the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Until April of 2011, Immelt was also on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (alongside JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon).
    As stated on the White House website:
    The President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness (Jobs Council) was created to provide non-partisan advice to the President on continuing to strengthen the Nation’s economy and ensure the competitiveness of the United States and on ways to create jobs, opportunity, and prosperity for the American people.
    The Council will:
    Report directly to the President on the design, implementation, and evaluation of policies to promote the growth of the American economy, enhance the skills and education of Americans, maintain a stable and sound financial and banking system, create stable jobs for American workers, and improve the long term prosperity and competitiveness of the American people… [and] provide analysis and information with respect to the operation, regulation, and healthy functioning of the economy and other factors that may contribute to the sustainable growth and competitiveness of American industry and the American labor force.
    So, if the Council provides “non-partisan advice” to the Obama administration “to create jobs, opportunity, and prosperity for the American people,” it would perhaps seem important to identify who these people are, as they profess to serve the interests of the wider population. Below, I will examine brief biographies of most of the members of the Council, focusing on the ones that represent corporate interests. However, below these brief outlines, I will undertake a more cohesive examination of the make-up of the Council.
    Who is represented on the Council?
    A Note on the Data: The information examined was the official biographies on the White House website of the 26 members of the Council, as well as use of the Council on Foreign Relations’ official Membership Roster, and some additional research retrieved from official biographies on other board memberships. The collection of information is related to discovering which organizations and institutions are most highly represented on the Council. To assess this, the results are based upon positions currently and previously held by members of the Council. Thus, if one member had previously worked for a major bank, but is no longer with that bank, it is still included as being represented in the Council. I chose to analyze the information this way for the same reason that one would look at Timothy Geithner’s previous job in order to assess whose interests he speaks for. Having worked at a bank or major corporation in senior positions would have a significant impact upon the advice one gives on economic issues, regardless of their present affiliation with that bank or corporation. Hence, this is a cumulative assessment of the past and present affiliations of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
    The Most Highly Represented Organizations on Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness:
    1) The Council on Foreign Relations (8 members):
    The CFR was founded in 1921, and was primarily funded in its first decades by the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and later, the Ford Foundation. It is the premier foreign policy think tank in the United States. David Rockefeller, while Chairman and CEO of Chase Manhattan (now JP Morgan Chase) was Chairman of the CFR from 1970-1985, and remains as Honorary Chairman of the Board of Directors.
    2) The Business Council (6 members)
    Founded in 1933, the BC is an organization of corporate executives which (according to its website), “invites leaders in government, politics, academia, science, medicine, technology and other sectors to address the Council and to participate in its discussions.” It was primarily an advisory body to the U.S. Department of Commerce until 1961 when it “decided to broaden its scope” to “be available to serve all areas of government which requested their services.” The Chairman of the Business Council is Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase, who is on the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
    2) The Business Roundtable (6 members)
    The BRT “is an association of chief executive officers of leading U.S. companies with nearly $6 trillion in annual revenues,” established in 1972 “on the belief that in a pluralistic society, businesses should play an active and effective role in the formation of public policy.” The Executive Committee of the BRT includes JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon. Four of the nineteen members of the Executive Committee of the BRT are also members of Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
    3) Partnership for New York City (5 members)
    The Partnership for New York City was formed out of the merger of two organizations: the New York Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the New York City Partnership. As its website states:
    Following in the tradition of three generations of Rockefellers who were closely associated with the Chamber, David Rockefeller transformed the organization in 1979. In that year, he founded the New York City Partnership and affiliated it with the Chamber. Although the original Chamber had taken a broad look at what it considered to be “business interests”, it was primarily a business advocacy group. Under Rockefeller’s vision, the new Partnership would allow business leaders to work more directly with government and other civic groups to address broader social and economic problems in a “hands on” way.
    4) General Electric (4 members)
    One of the most profitable corporations in the world, involved in energy, technology, real estate, aviation, healthcare, transportation, military contracting, oil and gas, power and water, appliances, and media.
    4) McKinsey & Company (4 members)
    One of the world’s premier global management consulting firms.
    5) Google,The Procter & Gamble Company, Harvard University, and the Brookings Institution (3 members each)

    The other organizations that are represented by membership on the President’s Council include: The Federal Reserve, Columbia University, The Walt Disney Company, The New America Foundation, Kodak, AT&T, MIT, The Economic Club of New York, American Express Corporation, Time Warner, Xerox Corporation, Amazon, Swiss Re, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Blackstone Group, the Group of Thirty, DuPont, United Technologies, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Citigroup, Dime Bancorp, Hewlett-Packard, the US Chamber of Commerce, Facebook, the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics, LaSalle Bank, the World Bank, AMR Corporation, General Motors, Dell, Bank of America, Credit Suisse, Intel, Starbucks, and the Rockefeller Foundation.
    In total, ten different financial institutions are represented; three major foreign policy think tanks are represented (the Council on Foreign Relations, the Brookings Institution, and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, all of which have over-lapping leadership, membership, and funding); six corporate interest groups are represented; four major media conglomerates are represented; eight computer technology and internet corporations are represented; eleven universities are represented, most of which are elite universities, with the highest representation for Harvard, Columbia, and MIT; several chemical companies, military contractors, and foundations, including the Rockefeller Foundation. For the stated purpose of creating “prosperity for the American people,” there are only two labour organizations represented, the AFL-CIO and UFCW.
    So it would seem quite clear that those who have the ear of the President on economic matters do not represent the vast majority of American citizens, who – by and large – do not sit as executives or board members of multinational corporations, global banks, powerful think tanks, major foundations, elite universities, or business interest groups. Do you really trust these people to speak for you, your needs, what a real economic “recovery” means for you?
    One must ask, if their aim is to – as their website states – create “prosperity for the American people,” did they only have a very specific and small fraction of “American people” in mind? Well, as they say, the proof is in the pudding.
    Appendix: Notable Names
    The following is a biographical list of selected individuals from the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness:
    Ursula M. Burns: Chairman and CEO of Xerox Corporation; board director with American Express Company.
    Steve Case: co-founder, America Online; Chairman and CEO, Revolution, LLC; Chairman, The Case Foundation.
    Kenneth I. Chenault: Chairman and CEO, American Express Company; board director of IBM, the Procter & Gamble Company, and the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation; on the boards of the Partnership for New York City, The Business Council and the Business Roundtable and serves as Vice Chairman of each of these organizations; member, Council on Foreign Relations.
    John Doerr: a partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers; on the boards of Google and Amazon.com; on the boards of New Schools, TechNet, ONE and the Aspen Institute.
    Roger W. Ferguson: President and Chief Executive Officer of TIAA-CREF; Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System from 1999 to 2006; Vice Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the New York Economic Club; previously a Trustee of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the National Bureau of Economic Research and the New America Foundation; member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Group of Thirty; former Chairman of Swiss Re America Holding Corporation, former Associate and Partner at McKinsey & Company.
    Mark T. Gallogly: Cofounder and Managing Principal of Centerbridge Partners (Centerbridge is an investment firm with over $15 billion of assets under management); previously with the Blackstone Group for 16 years; currently serves on the advisory council of the Hamilton Project, an economic policy group at the Brookings Institution, Columbia Business School board of overseers, the board of directors of the Dana Corporation, is a partner of the Partnership for New York and member of the Economic Club of New York.
    Lewis Hay: Chairman and CEO of NextEra Energy, Inc.; serves on the board of directors of Capital One and Harris Corporation; a vice chairman of the Edison Electric Institute (EEI), the association of U.S. shareholder-owned electric companies; a member of the Business Board of Advisors at Carnegie Mellon University’s Tepper School of Business, and a member of the Business Roundtable.
    Ellen Kullman: Chair and CEO of DuPont; a member of the U.S.-India CEO Forum, the Business Council, and the executive committee of SCI-America; a member of the board of directors of United Technologies Corp; is on the board of trustees of Tufts University and serves on the board of overseers at Tufts University School of Engineering; and previously worked for General Electric.
    A.G. Lafley: Former Chairman and CEO of Procter & Gamble; serves on the board of directors of GE and board of trustees of Hamilton College and is chairman of the Cincinnati Center City Development Corporation; has also served as a director at General Motors Corporation and Dell Inc.
    Monica Lozano: Senior Vice President of media conglomerate, Impremedia, LLC.; on the board of directors of the Walt Disney Company and Bank of America.
    Jim McNerney: Chairman and CEO, the Boeing Company; previously worked at Procter & Gamble, McKinsey & Company, and General Electric; former Chairman and CEO of 3M (a $20 billion global technology company); is also a board director of Procter & Gamble, IBM, a member of The Field Museum Board of Trustees in Chicago, a trustee of Northwestern University, and a member of the Northwestern Memorial HealthCare Board; serves on the executive committee of The Business Roundtable; the former chair of The Business Council, the US-China Business Council and the American Society of Corporate Executives.
    Richard D. Parsons: Chairman of the board of Citigroup, Inc.; a Senior Advisor at Providence Equity Partners Inc.; former Chairman of the Board and CEO of Time Warner, Inc.; Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Dime Bancorp, Inc.; former counsel for Nelson Rockefeller and as a senior White House aide under President Gerald Ford; also a member of the boards of The Estee Lauder Companies, Inc. and Madison Square Garden, Inc., and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and is on the board of Trustees of the Rockefeller Foundation.
    Antonio M. Perez: Chairman and CEO, Eastman Kodak Company; previously had a 25-year career at Hewlett-Packard Company, where he was a corporate vice president and a member of the company’s Executive Council; a member of The Business Council and the Business Roundtable; and was a former member of the Board of Directors of Adobe, Freescale and Schering-Plough Corporation.
    Penny Pritzker: President and CEO, Pritzker Realty Group; serves on the board of Hyatt Hotels Corporation and a past board member of the Wrigley Company, Marmon Group and LaSalle Bank Corporation; and is a board member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a trustee of Stanford University, a trustee of the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, an advisory board member of Brookings Institution’s Hamilton Project.
    Brian Roberts: Chairman and CEO, Comcast Corporation; is a member of the Business Roundtable, a CEO only organization based in Washington, D.C. and also serves on the Board of Directors for NBCUniversal.
    Matthew Rose: Chairman and CEO, BNSF Railway; is a member of the Board of Directors of AMR Corporation, AT&T Inc., the Association of American Railroads, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; and is also a member of the Texas Governor’s Business Council, the Business Roundtable, The Business Council, the Board of Trustees of Texas Christian University.
    Sheryl Sandberg: Chief Operating Officer, Facebook; previously Vice President of Global Online Sales and Operations at Google; previously served as Chief of Staff for the United States Treasury Department under President Bill Clinton; prior to that she was a management consultant with McKinsey & Company and an economist with the World Bank; and she currently serves on the boards of The Walt Disney Company, Starbucks, Women for Women International, Center for Global Development and V-Day.
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    Laura D’Andrea Tyson: Professor of Global Management, Haas School of Business, UC Berkeley; served in the Clinton Administration and was the Chair of The Council of Economic Advisers (1993-1995) and the President’s National Economic Adviser (1995 – 1996); a Senior Advisor at the McKinsey Global Institute, Credit Suisse Research Institute, and The Rock Creek Group; a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and is a member of the MIT Corporation; on the Advisory Council of the Brookings Institution Hamilton Project and is an Advisory Board member of Newman’s Own, Generation Investment Management, and H&Q Asia Pacific; is a chair for the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council, and serves as a member of the Boards of Directors of Eastman Kodak Company, Morgan Stanley, AT&T, Silver Spring Networks, CB Richard Ellis, the Peter G. Peterson Institute of International Economics, and New America Foundation, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
    Robert Wolf: Chairman for UBS Americas and President for UBS Investment Bank; a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and on the Committee Encouraging Corporate Philanthropy and was on the Board of Directors of the Financial Services Roundtable from 2007-2010.
    Andrew Gavin Marshall is an independent researcher and writer based in Montreal, Canada, writing on a number of social, political, economic, and historical issues. He is co-editor of the book, “The Global Economic Crisis: The Great Depression of the XXI Century.” His website is http://www.andrewgavinmarshall.com
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  5. The Dirt on Jon M. Huntsman, Jr



    Gov. Huntsman's CFR Membership -- The Rest of the Story
    by William Norman Grigg
    August 3, 2005


    Gov. Jon Huntsman's CFR Membership -- The Rest of the Story

    Utah Governor Jon M. Huntsman, Jr., emerging as the focal point of a "solution" to illegal immigration, has an unsettling record where U.S. interests are concerned. An alert reader of The New American has pointed out that the name of Utah Governor Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. no longer appears on the membership roster for the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). In a brief item entitled "Huntsman’s Amnesty `Alliance,’" we erroneously reported that Governor Huntsman was a current member of the Council.

    Huntsman has been a member of the globalist organization, and has played a significant role in the unfolding campaign to build a system of global governance through the creation of multilateral "free trade" pacts. These facts are significant in light of his emergence as an Establishment-approved point man dealing with the problem of illegal immigration from Mexico and Latin America.

    Jon M. Huntsman, Jr. was listed as a member of the CFR from 1993 to 1998. In a mini-essay published in the group’s 1996 Annual Report, Huntsman praised the globalist group effusively, extolling the CFR as "America’s premier crossroads for those who are internationally minded and experienced…."
    From an early age, Huntsman the younger has mingled with "internationally minded" cognoscenti. A 1998 profile recalls: "When John M. Huntsman Jr. was about 11 years old, visiting the White House where his father worked as a special assistant to President Richard Nixon, he happened to run into Henry Kissinger. The boy walked Kissinger out to his car, and the national security adviser mentioned he was leaving on a trip. He was going to China" as part of one of his "secret first treks to China" to open diplomatic relations with the Communist behemoth.

    Early in the first term of George W. Bush, the younger, Huntsman (who speaks Mandarin as the result of missionary service in Taiwan) was reportedly "on the short list" to be appointed ambassador to Beijing. (In the administration of Bush the elder, Huntsman served as ambassador to Singapore.) Instead, he was appointed deputy U.S. trade representative and tasked to oversee U.S. trade policy with Asia. At the time he spoke enthusiastically of "fulfilling [President Bush’s] vision for America in the area of international trade."
    That vision, as The New American has documented, involves the use of "free trade" pacts – both bilateral agreements and regional accords such as the recently enacted Central American Free Trade Agreement – to build a global trade system managed by the Geneva-based World Trade Organization (WTO).

    During his Senate confirmation hearings, reported the July 31, 2001 Deseret News, Huntsman specifically mentioned that he would play a role in "China’s accession to the World Trade Organization." Just last January, the WTO lifted the worldwide system of national textile import quotas, which effectively turned the world textile market over to China. A year ago, the Christian Science Monitor predicted that this would bring about "a massive transfer of jobs and wealth in the developing world over the next few years" – from the impoverished, textile-producing nations of the CAFTA region to China. This will almost certainly result in another wave of immigration, legal, and illegal, from Latin America northward. And John M. Huntsman Jr. now stands ready to help craft a "solution" to a problem he helped exacerbate.
    This brings us back to the so-called "Alliance for Prosperity" Huntsman has proposed with Mexico. During his recent meeting in Mexico with Vicente Fox, Huntsman offered assurances that he would work with other members of the Western Governors’ Association to find a "solution" to the problem of illegal immigration. The preferred arrangement, Huntsman said, would be to "work on mobility of the work force" – a perspective that syncs up with the Bush administration’s proposed amnesty for illegal aliens.

    Governor Huntsman’s approach earned plaudits from Joe Reyna, a regional president of Zions Bank of Utah and the incoming chairman of the board of directors of the Utah Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. "For President Fox to hear the Utah governor is going to push an agenda for immigration reform … that's music to his ears," he commented.

    Mr. Reyna should know. As a member of Mexico’s Institute for Mexicans Abroad, he is an official adviser to Vicente Fox. During a February 2004 press conference in Utah’s state capitol building, Reyna joined Patricia Deluera, the Mexican consul general in Salt Lake City, to denounce as "racist" a proposed legislative measure that would make it more difficult for illegal immigrants to obtain state driver’s licenses. He was also "one of only 40 Hispanic leaders invited to attend the Washington announcement" of George W. Bush’s proposed illegal alien amnesty, reported the January 8, 2004 Deseret News.

    While Governor Huntsman hasn’t offered substantive details about his immigration "solution," it’s reasonable to believe that the enchanting "music" he’s performing for Vicente Fox’s enjoyment is the overture to another sell-out of our national interests.
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  6. Ax, I never denied the existence of the CFR or any other group for that matter. However, the specifics of what they do is only "known" as a result of people like Jones, who are nothing more than disinfo people themselves.

    If these people are as big and bad as you say, Jones releasing info, would lead to the disappearance of Jones. He is great for these groups. He spreads crap, and the tinfoil party eat it with a spoon.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Ax, I never denied the existence of the CFR or any other group for that matter. However, the specifics of what they do is only "known" as a result of people like Jones, who are nothing more than disinfo people themselves.

    If these people are as big and bad as you say, Jones releasing info, would lead to the disappearance of Jones. He is great for these groups. He spreads crap, and the tinfoil party eat it with a spoon.
    The people involved in the CFR are the some of the most crooked people on earth, which is reasoning of why Im convinced. Who has more blood and death on their hands than Obama, Bush and Dick Cheney? Thats just to name a few.

    I honestly did not need Alex Jones to convince me how crooked the CFR is, if you understand what Im trying to say.
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  8. they might very well be, but my point is, we probably know nothing. Jones and those like him are truly just attention hounds, who make up half the sh!t they talk about. If he was anywhere near revealing to them, he would be long gone.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    they might very well be, but my point is, we probably know nothing. Jones and those like him are truly just attention hounds, who make up half the sh!t they talk about. If he was anywhere near revealing to them, he would be long gone.
    Thats not true imo, he unveils documents, government whistleblowers, scientists, etc...and as I have said he is ahead of his time and much of what he talked about several years ago has come out to be true such as the TSA for example, and all the wars currently going on in the middle east. I need to see what has been dis-proven of his, which he wont be accurate all the time but we are talking about the man who warned us several months before 9/11 that the government was going to stage a terror attack on our homeland.

    They are working on killing freedom on the internet so they are trying to shut him up, but not only him of course Alex is just 1 small figure.

    Edit: Just to add, Alex is just one guy, there are multiple sources I pay attention too, online but as well as in person.

    I never convince myself 100% of anything, as once you come to conclusions your mind stops functioning so your thoughts do have a piece in my mind, but I dont see enough to discredit Alex and I see everything to discredit mainstream media.
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  10. Ron Paul Widens MSNBC/NBC Presidential Poll Lead; Over 205,000 Votes Now Cast

    Friday, September 9, 2011 - 03:05 by Tony Rutherford HuntingtonNews.Net Reporter MSNBC's First Read continues attracting votes for its post-Presidential Republican Debate poll. As of 3:30 a.m. Sept 9, more than 205,000 votes have been cast. Ron Paul has widened his lead over Mitt Romney and Rick Perry. Paul has 57.1%, Romney 14.5%, and Perry 12.4%.
    Ron Paul widens lead in MSNBC debate online straw poll




    Despite the thunderous “thumbs up” for Paul, mainstream media continues to virtually ignore the poll results and the comments about a candidate that the public has enshrined yet the media continues to write him off as not a serious contender for the Presidential nomination. MSNBC, the New York Times, Washington Post, and L.A. Times all called the debate a Romney vs. Perry event.

    “The New York Times, like everyone else, frames last night’s debate a clash between Perry and Romney,” states First Read from MSNBC/NBC.

    Those writing short comments in the poll have even slammed the website for disproportionate graphs of the on line straw vote results. Paul’s green line reflecting 57% (over 117,500 votes) is only twice as long as that of second place finisher, Romney, who has received about 25,500 votes.

    A non-supporter of Paul stressed the bar graph is “really deceptive,” then ponders whether the Daily Show’s Jon Stewart is “on to something about Ron Paul and the media.” Another admits that in 2008 he voted for Obama. However, the “independent” voter repeats that three years ago the candidates were elitists chosen for us. “They are trying to do it again. The press will not make my choice. Dr. Paul does not waiver and explains himself well. We the people are fed up with elite telling us how we should think.”

    A California attorney also questions the pre-determined Romney/Perry express:

    “The media attention to those two losers calling them a winner, compared to the poll by the American people that clearly shows Ron Paul by more than 2:1 over Romney? This is just more proof that the media is attempting to control the political outcome. People, do not be fooled. Ron Paul says what he means and means what he says. How come they are so afraid of Ron Paul? Is it because that the federal reserve is going to be shutdown? I mean how the hell can they print money with no value and lend it to us at interest? Biggest scam of them all if you ask me......”

    One writer stated on Sept. 8 at about 4 a.m. that the Paul poll win was fueled solely by Paul supporters using the internet. But, the writer’s prediction backfired --- “by midday tomorrow, Paul will have slid to his proper place, midway to the bottom.”

    Instead , he has widened his lead in first place.


    LIMITED TO THREE QUESTIONS
    Perry appears upset that Ron Paul mentioned his prior support of Hillary Clinton's health plan




    Respondents emphasize that Paul received only three questions during the debate, but “every time he was allowed to talk, he rocked it.”

    More specifically, “Dr. Paul is the only one who has never wavered from his set goals which are truly in line with liberty and real conservative values,” a respondent wrote.

    “Who do you think won the Republican debate at the Reagan library” has attained over 50 pages of comments from poll voters. And, those commenting have Ron Paul on their mind.

    “Ron Paul is the only guy who understands what truly ails America,” the most recent posting reads. Another stated, “the cowardly media is despicable for ignoring him.”


    Following President Obama’s jobs speech, John Huntsman, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have appeared, for instance, on Fox News.

    One writer admits that he does not agree with all that Paul advocates. Still, he believes the words from a twelve term Congressman resonate:

    I mean the guy is a 12-term congressman, so obviously when people are allowed to actually hear his message it resonates with them.
    Paul confronted at debate by Perry



    Furthermore, these debates are structured in such a way that makes genuine discussion about the issues very difficult. Candidates get a limited amount of time to respond, which is understandable, but it means that they have to condense their arguments into easily digestible sound bytes. It waters down the issues and it makes the American people stupider because they are only exposed to simple arguments and not given the chance to listen to a more articulate and complex argument, like the kind Dr. Paul makes.”
    One “vexed” respondent stated that Paul knows “nothing about national security.” But, the writer has obviously not spoken with military families --- Paul already leads a poll amongst those serving in the Armed Forces. He’s also a member of another minority --- he’s one of the few veterans running for the Presidential office.
    Interestingly, one writer complains about Paul, but he states that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, another candidate overlooked by media, “did a much better job than all the rest.” Still, Newt’s not his choice for the job: “If Sarah Palin runs, I’m campaigning for her, Obama out 2012.”
    Finally, one of those voting in the poll analyzes that “Paul by his 40 plus years of writing and speaking to youthful populations, Ron Paul has already set [the nation] on a path to healing. Due to the life and times of Dr..Ron Paul we now have what we need to overcome.” The writer suggests that whether he wins the most votes in the dash for the Oval Office, “ Ron ,Paul has already won” by shaking and waking Americans to see through the myths foisted upon them by the media. In essence, the popularity of Dr. Paul means that Americans are done with apathetic listening, now, they are ready to think seriously about the responsibility and consequences of choices made at the ballot box.

    So, what's next? CNN's Tea Party debate. Will that network be more objectivie? So far, they have limited their poll to only THREE GOP candidates? Guess they do not have the ball to put all the names in the poll and let the internet voters do the rest.. But if they have only three listed candidates, they have removed America's right to vote for the candidate of not the media's choice, but the people's choice.

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  11. The 9/11 Inside Job Anniversary Kicks Off Early With Fake Carbomb Threats From New York Officials

    Quote of the day:
    "These people cannot help themselves, they have to terrorize the people, they are criminal terrorists. Formulaic, just stay scared so Bloomberg can get more security money. This is a fear based extortion racket, fake terror threats can be just as effective at getting budget increases. Bloomberg wants a socialist police state run by Bernie Kerik - Ray Kelly 9/11 types. In New York, this is how you get it done. Fake a threat then offer over-priced security for the threat you generated. Its a scam! 9/11 was and still is an inside job, done by Bloomberg in fact. He was selected to keep the scam going after Asbestos Rudy left. Peter King lives for terror, it is the wind under his wings .... Mr. Al-Qaeda himself. New York is a corrupt terrorist police state cesspool. There are mafia criminal in charge of the Big Apple, beware they love terrorism, its big bucks."

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  12. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    The 9/11 Inside Job Anniversary Kicks Off Early With Fake Carbomb Threats From New York Officials

    Quote of the day:
    "These people cannot help themselves, they have to terrorize the people, they are criminal terrorists. Formulaic, just stay scared so Bloomberg can get more security money. This is a fear based extortion racket, fake terror threats can be just as effective at getting budget increases. Bloomberg wants a socialist police state run by Bernie Kerik - Ray Kelly 9/11 types. In New York, this is how you get it done. Fake a threat then offer over-priced security for the threat you generated. Its a scam! 9/11 was and still is an inside job, done by Bloomberg in fact. He was selected to keep the scam going after Asbestos Rudy left. Peter King lives for terror, it is the wind under his wings .... Mr. Al-Qaeda himself. New York is a corrupt terrorist police state cesspool. There are mafia criminal in charge of the Big Apple, beware they love terrorism, its big bucks."

    If you had to pick a "big city" to live in, which would you say is best?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by wontstop985 View Post
    If you had to pick a "big city" to live in, which would you say is best?
    New York City, I love it there. 2nd would be Beijing China. 3rd Shanghai.
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  14. NYPD’s 1000 “Anti-Terror Cops” Have Tanks, Weapons, Navy
    Exclusive: Elaborate New York City Post-9/11 Security
    NYPD Commish: Big Apple Has Its Own Army, Navy, Tanks & Soon A Submarine

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/09/...-911-security/

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    9/11 North East Air Defense Staff Joke About Flight 175 Hijacking As It Happens


    Uploaded by HistoryCommons .... Staff at the North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) learn that a second plane (United 175) has been hijacked on 9/11. They joke about it; we hear them say: "That's it, I'm not flying with United or American any more," "I never thought I would have wished for ValuJet to come back," and "I'm glad I'm not flying today," to which the answer is, "Don't worry Jim, we'll carjack you on the way home." Two minutes later they are talking about stock they own.

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  15. 9/11 Inside Job: Ten Years Later - Special Nightly News report below

    Aaron Dykes
    Infowars News.com
    September 10, 2011

    Infowars Nighty News Special Report: 9/11 An Inside Job, Ten Years LaterIn a special report for Infowars Nightly News marking the 10th Anniversary of the September 11 attacks, Infowars.com reporter Aaron Dykes reflects upon some of the biggest smoking guns and unanswered questions of 9/11, as well as the legacy of 9/11 truth, which has gained momentum with the public.

    That catalyzing event has transformed society, thrusting the United States and many of its allies into perpetual wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other states in the region. At the same time, in the name of stopping potential terrorists, a police state has risen at home– from TSA groping to Homeland Security targeting returning veterans, constitutionalists and political activists, our Bill of Rights and Constitution have been thrown out the window.

    Meanwhile, the victims’ family members, suffering rescue workers and patriots have struggled for truth and justice, with no answers at all from those in power. Instead, so-called investigations have been nothing more than cover-ups.

    From WTC Building 7 to evidence of demolition, subverted intelligence, the al Qaeda hoax and political grandstanding, nothing from the official story adds up… and there is every reason to persevere in the fight to bring the truth to the public’s attention.

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  16. Ill be posting more often and primarily about 9/11 for the next couple days.

    Infowars Man on the Street: Poll on WTC Building 7 Collapse

    Infowars.com
    September 10, 2011

    Infowars nightly news reporter, Darrin McBreen, talks to UT Students about building 7 on 9/11, and ask if they think it was brought down by a “control demolition.”

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  17. Barry Jennings NYC Emergency Coordinator (who was mysteriously murdered several years ago) reports that explosions went off in the WTC 7 both before and after the Twin Towers collapsed and how the WTC 7 lobby was blown out.

    The scene at the Trade Towers
    "After the initial blast, Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, reported to a command center on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center. He was with Michael Hess, the city's corporation counsel, when they felt and heard another explosion. First calling for help, they scrambled downstairs to the lobby, or what was left of it. "I looked around, the lobby was gone. It looked like hell," Jennings said." - Traverse City Record-Eagle (09/11/01)

    Terrorist attack collapses World Trade towers, shakes the nation
    "Eight hours after the morning crashes, fire was raging at adjoining 7 World Trade Center, eventually causing its collapse at about 5:20 p.m. The evacuated building was damaged when the tower above it collapsed Tuesday morning.
    City Housing Authority worker Barry Jennings, 46, was in a city command center on the 23rd floor of a neighboring Trade Center building during the second explosion.
    He and city Corporation Counsel Michael Hess made it downstairs, where the lobby was just gone. "I thought I was dead," Jennings said. "It looked like hell." - Boston Globe (09/11/01)


    MBarry Jennings' New York Citie's Emergency Coordinator on 9/11 account of WTC 7 explosions

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  18. The powerful new documentary film by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

    The film features cutting-edge 9/11 evidence from more than 50 experts in their fields – high-rise architects, structural engineers, physicists, chemical engineers, firefighters, metallurgists, explosives experts, controlled demolition technicians, and more. They are each highly qualified. Several have Ph.D’s, including renowned scientist, Lynn Margulis who was awarded the National Medal of Science, and who exposes in this film the fraud of NIST and discusses how the scientific method should have been applied to the destruction of evidence and to the high temperature incendiaries in the WTC dust samples. The documentary is filled with wisdom from experts such as Les Young, one of several high-rise architects interviewed in the film, who remarks,

    Full Documentary for free viewing. 2 Hours 20 minutes.

    9/11: Explosive Evidence -- Experts Speak Out (Full)



    For those who just have time to watch the introductory trailer watch here
    9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer



    In the full-length documentary we also interviewed almost a dozen psychologists who will help us to explain why 9/11 Truth is so difficult for the public to even face, much less accept – and what we can do better to reach them. We will also hear from several 9/11 victim family members who support AE911Truth in our call for a new investigation.
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  19. Highly Credible People Question 9/11

    PART 1 (click bold and underlined for sources) Part 2 next post

    The following people question the government’s version of 9/11, or the government’s openness in providing information about the September 11 attacks.


    9/11 COMMISSIONERS
    The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.
    The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).
    Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.
    9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.
    9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”
    9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”
    Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.
    9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest“.
    The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
    CONGRESS
    According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, a U.S. government informant was the landlord to two of the hijackers for over a year (but the White House refused to let the 9/11 inquiry interview him).
    Current U.S. Senator (Patrick Leahy) states “The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?”
    Current Republican Congressman (Ron Paul) calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that “we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on”
    Current Democratic Congressman (Dennis Kucinich) hints that we aren’t being told the truth about 9/11
    Former Democratic Senator (Mike Gravel) states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don’t know the truth about 9/11
    Former Republican Senator (Lincoln Chaffee) endorses a new 9/11 investigation
    Former U.S. Democratic Congressman (Dan Hamburg) says that the U.S. government “assisted” in the 9/11 attacks, stating that “I think there was a lot of help from the inside”
    Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee (Curt Weldon) has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
    MILITARY LEADERS
    Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is “the dog that doesn’t hunt” (bio)
    Director of the U.S. “Star Wars” space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was an inside job. He also said:U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:President of the U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board, who also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review, and who was awarded Distinguished Flying Crosses for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals (Lt. Col. Jeff Latas) is a member of a group which doubts the government’s version of 9/11
    U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said “We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time.”
    Air Force Colonel and key Pentagon official (Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski) finds various aspects of 9/11 suspicious
    Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said “Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism.”
    Two-Star general (Major General Albert Stubbelbine) questions the attack on the Pentagon
    U.S. Air Force fighter pilot, former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program, with a 20-year Air Force career (Lt. Colonel Guy S. Razer) said the following:
    “I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government ….
    Those of us in the military took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.
    We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!”
    U.S. Marine Corps lieutenant colonel, a fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown and a 21-year Marine Corps career (Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford) believes that 9/11 was an inside job, and said:
    “This isn’t about party, it isn’t about Bush Bashing. It’s about our country, our constitution, and our future. …
    Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
    If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or … to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ….
    Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can’t handle it? …”
    U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot (Commander Ralph Kolstad) who questions the official account of 9/11 and is calling for a new investigation, says “When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story”.
    The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
    Additionally, numerous military leaders from allied governments have questioned 9/11, such as:
    Canadian Minister of Defense, the top military leader of Canada (Paul Hellyer)
    Assistant German Defense Minister (Andreas Von Bulow)
    Commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy (Anatoli Kornukov)
    Chief of staff of the Russian armed forces (General Leonid Ivashov)

    INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS

    Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg recently said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers“. He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that “very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been”, that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there’s enough evidence to justify a new, “hard-hitting” investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath.
    A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job.
    A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … All three [buildings that were destroyed in the World Trade Center] were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings before 9/11.” (and see this).
    20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer (David Steele) stated that “9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war”, and it was probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006).
    A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that“the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job .
    The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup.”
    Professor of History and International Relations, University of Maryland. Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency, former military attaché in China, with a 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence (Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army) questions the government’s version of the events of 9/11.
    The head of all U.S. intelligence, the Director of National Intelligence (Mike McConnel) said “9/11 should have and could have been prevented”
    A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored).
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  20. ....continued from previous post

    Highly Credible People question 9/11

    Part 2 (click bold and underlined for sources)


    STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
    A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
    Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
    Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California
    Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California
    Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England
    Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia
    Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado
    David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland
    Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California
    Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona
    David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California
    Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)
    Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin
    Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)
    Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer
    William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College
    An architect, member of the American Institute of Architects, who has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has been responsible for the production of construction documents for numerous steel-framed and fire-protected buildings for uses in many different areas, including education, civic, rapid transit and industrial use (Richard Gage) disputes the claim that fire and airplane damage brought down the World Trade Centers and believes there is strong evidence of controlled demolition (many other architects who question 9/11 are listed here)
    LEGAL SCHOLARS
    Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former Inspector General, U.S. Department of Transportation; former Professor of Aviation, Dept. of Aerospace Engineering and Aviation and Professor of Public Policy, Ohio State University (Mary Schiavo) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Professor of International Law at the University of Illinois, Champaign; a leading practitioner and advocate of international law; responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention; served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court, with a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University (Dr. Francis Boyle) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former prosecutor in the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section of the U.S. Justice Department and a key member of Attorney General Bobby Kennedy’s anti-corruption task force; former assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois (J. Terrence “Terry” Brunner) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Professor Emeritus, International Law, Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University; in 2001 served on the three-person UN Commission on Human Rights for the Palestine Territories, and previously, on the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (Richard Falk) questions the government’s version of 9/11., and asks whether the Neocons were behind 9/11.
    Bessie Dutton Murray Distinguished Professor of Law Emeritus and Director, Center for Human Rights, University of Iowa; Fellow, World Academy of Art and Science. Honorary Editor, Board of Editors, American Journal of International Law (Burns H. Weston) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former president of the National Lawyers Guild (C. Peter Erlinder), who signed a petition calling for a real investigation into 9/11. And see petition.
    Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University; associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents; Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations; former Federal Sky Marshall; 27-year U.S. Customs career (Mark Conrad) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Professor of Law, University of Freiburg; former Minister of Justice of West Germany (Horst Ehmke) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Director of Academic Programs, Institute for Policy and Economic Development, University of Texas, El Paso, specializing in executive branch secrecy policy, governmental abuse, and law and bureaucracy; former U.S. Army Signals Intelligence officer; author of several books on law and political theory (Dr. William G. Weaver) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Famed trial attorney (Gerry Spence) questions the government’s version of 9/11.
    Former Instructor of Criminal Trial Practice, Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California at Berkeley 11-year teaching career. Retired Chief Assistant Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California 31-year career (William Veale) said:FAMILY MEMBERS AND HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS
    A common criticism of those who question 9/11 is that they are being “disrespectful to the victims and their families”.
    However, half of the victim’s families believe that 9/11 was an inside job (according to the head of the largest 9/11 family group, Bill Doyle) (and listen to this interview). Many family and friends of victims not only support the search for 9/11 truth, but they demand it (please ignore the partisan tone). See also this interview.
    Indeed, it has now become so clear that the 9/11 Commission was a whitewash that the same 9/11 widows who called for the creation of the 9/11 Commission are now demanding a NEW investigation (see also this video).
    And dying heroes, soon-to-be victims themselves, the first responders who worked tirelessly to save lives on and after 9/11, say that controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers and that a real investigation is necessary.

    PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS

    Finally, those who attack people who question the government’s version of 9/11 as “crazy” may wish to review the list of mental health professionals who have concluded that the official version of 9/11 is false:
    Psychiatrist Carol S. Wolman, MD
    Psychiatrist E. Martin Schotz
    Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, as well as Radiology, at Duke University Medical Center D. Lawrence Burk, Jr., MD
    Board of Governors Distinguished Service Professor of Psychology and Associate Dean of the Graduate School at Ruters University Barry R. Komisaruk
    Professor of Psychology at University of New Hampshire William Woodward
    Professor of Psychology at University of Essex Philip Cozzolino
    Professor of Psychology at Goddard College Catherine Lowther
    Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California Institute of Integral Studies Ralph Metzner
    Professor of Psychology at Rhodes University Mike Earl-Taylor
    Retired Professor of Psychology at Oxford University Graham Harris
    Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Nebraska and licensed Psychologist Ronald Feintech
    Ph.D. Clinical Neuropsychologist Richard Welser

    THOUSANDS OF OTHERS

    The roster above is only a sample. There are too many Ph.D. scientists and engineers, architects, military and intelligence officials, politicians, legal scholars and other highly-credible people who question 9/11 — literally thousands — to list in one place. Here are a few additional people to consider:
    The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
    Former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew “like the back of my hand” and who handled two actual hijackings (Robin Hordon) says that 9/11 could not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off (also, listen to this interview)
    Perhaps “the premiere collapse expert in the country”, who 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer referred to as a “very, very respected expert on building collapse”, the head of the New York Fire Department’s Special Operations Command and the most highly decorated firefighter in its NYFD history, who had previously “commanded rescue operations at many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters worldwide” thought that the collapse of the South Tower was caused by bombs, because the collapse of the building was too even to have been caused by anything else(pages 5-6).
    Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
    Former FBI agent (Robert Wright) says “The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.”
    Former Minnesota Governor (Jesse Ventura)
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  21. Part 3 (bolded for sources)

    SCIENTISTS


    A prominent physicist with 33 years of service for the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC (Dr. David L. Griscom) said that the official theory for why the Twin Towers and world trade center building 7 collapsed “does not match the available facts” and supports the theory that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition
    A world-renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science, America’s highest honor for scientific achievement (Dr. Lynn Margulis) said:The former head of the Fire Science Division of the government agency which claims that the World Trade Centers collapsed due to fire (the National Institute of Standards and Technology), who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering (Dr. James Quintiere), called for an independent review of the World Trade Center Twin Tower collapse investigation. “I wish that there would be a peer review of this,” he said, referring to the NIST investigation. “I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. … I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable.”
    The principal electrical engineer for the entire World Trade Center complex, who was “very familiar with the structures and [the Twin Towers'] conceptual design parameters” (Richard F. Humenn), stated that “the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel . . . . the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down.”
    Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA’s Dryden Flight Research Center, who holds masters degrees in both physics and engineering (Dwain A. Deets) says:A prominent physicist, former U.S. professor of physics from a top university, and a former principal investigator for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects (Dr. Steven E. Jones) stated that the world trade centers were brought down by controlled demolition
    A U.S. physics professor who teaches at several universities (Dr. Crockett Grabbe) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition
    An expert on demolition (Bent Lund) said that the trade centers were brought down with explosives (in Danish)
    A Dutch demolition expert (Danny Jowenko) stated that WTC 7 was imploded
    A safety engineer and accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority (Dr. Heikki Kurttila) stated regarding WTC 7 that “The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition.”
    A 13-year professor of metallurgical engineering at a U.S. university, with a PhD in materials engineering, a former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member (Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn), is calling for a new investigation of 9/11
    A Danish professor of chemistry (Dr. Niels Harrit) said, in a mainstream Danish newspaper, “WTC7 collapsed exactly like a house of cards. If the fires or damage in one corner had played a decisive role, the building would have fallen in that direction. You don’t have to be a woodcutter to grasp this” (translated)
    A former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles and professor emeritus, mathematics and computer science at a university concluded (Dr. Bruce R. Henry) that the Twin Towers “were brought down by planted explosives.”
    A mechanical engineer with 20 years experience as a Fire Protection Engineer for the U.S. Departments of Energy, Defense, and Veterans Affairs, who is a contributing Subject Matter Expert to the U.S. Department of Energy Fire Protection Engineering Functional Area Qualification Standard for Nuclear Facilities, a board member of the Northern California – Nevada Chapter of the Society of Fire Protection Engineers, currently serving as Fire Protection Engineer for the city of San Jose, California, the 10th largest city in the United States (Edward S. Munyak) believes that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition.
    The former Chief of the Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy, and former Director of the Office of Engineering at the Public Service Commission in Washington, D.C., who is a mechanical engineer (Enver Masud) , does not believe the official story, and believes that there is a prima facie case for controlled demolition of the World Trade Center.
    A professor of mathematics (Gary Welz) said “The official explanation that I’ve heard doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t explain why I heard and felt an explosion before the South Tower fell and why the concrete was pulverized”

    Full article from 9/11 Summary.com
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  22. I saw these 2 firefighters on MSNBC this morning while they are replaying 9/11 footage...unfortunately they did not play what they had to say that morning.

    9/11 Firemen Testimony - Multiple Huge Explosions



    More footage that you WILL NOT see today

    9/11 Basement And Lobby Explosions During The First Strike On WTC




    9/11: Car & Sewer Bombs




    9/11: Ashleigh Banfield reports secondary explosions

    NYC Emergency Coordinator Barry Jennings' account of WTC 7 explosions

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  23. Another issue they will not discuss today on national media about 9/11...this is totally censored from the American Public

    The Star Wars Beam Weapons
    and
    Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW)
    (A focus of the Star Wars Program)

    Toasted Cars
    At the time this article was being developed, many people expressed disbelief that energy weapons existed outside of science fiction until they were reminded of the Star Wars Program, also known as the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)*. The name of this article was chosen as a reminder that energy weapons do exist and have been developed over 100 years. Most of this technology is classified information. It can also be assumed that such technology exists in multiple countries. The purpose of this article was to begin to identify the evidence of what happened on 9/11/01 that must be accounted for. In doing so, the evidence ruled out a Kinetic Energy Device (bombs, missiles, etc.) as the method of destruction as well as a gravity-driven "collapse."

    *SDI was created by U.S. President Ronald Reagan on March 23, 1983.1 It is thought that SDI may have been first dubbed "Star Wars" by opponent Dr. Carol Rosin, a consultant and former spokeswoman for Wernher von Braun. However, Missile Defense Agency (MDA) historians attribute the term to a Washington Post article published March 24, 1983, the day after the Star Wars speech, which quoted Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy describing the proposal as "reckless Star Wars schemes."2 Before it was named the "Star Wars Program (SDI) in 1983, it was the Advanced Space Programs Development.3



    Introduction Top
    A reported 1400 vehicles were damaged on 9/11. [Reference] These vehicles had peculiar patterns of damage and some were as far away as FDR Drive (about 7 blocks from the WTC, along the East River). Vehicles had missing door handles for example, windows blown out, window frames deformed, melted engine blocks, steel-belted tires with only the steel belts left, and vehicle front ends destroyed with little or no effect on the back end of the vehicles. What could have caused such extraordinary damage? Portions of cars burned while paper nearby did not.


    Figure 64. Peculiar wilting of car doors and deformed window surrounds on FDR Drive.
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    Figure 65. Map of lower Manhattan shows the WTC and FDR Drive a half mile or more apart. Arial view of lower Manhattan. (mouse over to remove arrows and labels)
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    Figure 65a. Notice the dust-covered car in front of the toasted police car. There is also debris on the pavement away from the main part of the road. They probably couldn't clean it very well because the toasted cars were there.
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    Figure 65b. Notice the dust-covered car behind the toasted police car. There is also debris on the pavement away from the main part of the road. So, it appears the roadway has been washed already.
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    Figure 65c. Notice the two dust-covered cars under the bridge. How did the dust fall there? Obviosly there were strong enough air currents to put it there. It's interesting how the drying pavement looks like it does after its been treated for snow and ice. (This is thought to be the entrance ramp to the Brooklyn Bridge from southbound FDR Drive.)
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    Figure 66. Toasted cars in a lot near the WTC.


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    Figure 67. Blistered car on FDR Drive with unburned upholstery and unburned plastic window molding.
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    Figure 68. Front half of a car burned with a shiny, unburned rear end.

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    Figure 69. What burned and dragged these cars and mangled the left rear wheel? Where are the door handles?
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    Figure 70. What was this thing across the street? Was it a car? Was it a van? What caused that line of burn marks on the hood of the car in the foreground on the right? In the left foreground, the remains of a vehicle sit atop a white sedan. Are we looking at the front or the back end? It looks like the front end and if it is, its engine is missing. We can see daylight through the wheel well.
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  24. Part 2 of Toasted Cars on 9/11 read previous post for part 1

    Peeling Appearance Top
    Many vehicles had their outer surface peeled away like a sardine can. In some instances, clearly there is more than peeling paint was involved. It appears that the sheet metal delaminated as though something caused the material to melt or disintegrate at a certain depth. In some cases it appears that there was more heat damage inside than outside and vice versa.


    Figure 71. What happened to the axles, wheels, and tires? On the doors, it appears that a heavy layer of paint peeled down from the top, yet the paint on the lower part of the doors has not been peeled away. Wow did the wheel get under the rear suspension?
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    Figure 72. The car with the flat tire appears to have "wilted" from heat, from the top down, leaving a peeling appearance on the back end. The SUV on its right is missing all its window glass except for the windshield. The vehicle on the far right has no trace of tires, no door handles, no tail lights, and no windows. Why?
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    Figure 73. The peeling on the side door appears to be delaminated. Sheet metal is not laminated, so why would it do this?

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    Figure 74. Why does this ambulance have melted inside doors? The inside looks to have suffered more heat damage than the outside. What would cause that?
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    Figure 75. Oddly enough, there were also toasted cars at the Pentagon on 9/11.

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    Figure 76. This is the same vehicle shown in the previous figure after the fires were extinguished. Why is the passenger door burned? Note how the hood is curled up.
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    • Other Anomalies Top

    The pictures below document a wide variety of damage to vehicles, including total incineration of vehicles, toasted and disappeared engine blocks, steel-belted tires with no rubber and only steel belts, deformed wheels, missing grills, broken and missing vehicle windows and mirrors, no door handles, wilted doors, and unburned paper next to burning cars.


    Figure firetruck. A badly damaged fire truck. Where did its engine go? The bottom of the tire has turned to goo below a distinct horizontal line in the tire.


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    Figure hazmat. A FDMY Hazmat truck in front of WTC6 on West Street. The remaining upper part of the truck has been peeled and evaporated in areas. The upper part of the cab is gone and the engine block seems to have disappeared. The photo was taken on 9/11 after WTC1 disappeared but before WTC7 collapsed.
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    Figure 66(e). Why would the front of this fire truck wilt?
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    Figure 66(h). Is there something attractive about engine blocks? Why not gasoline fuel tanks?
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    Figure 77. The mail truck parked on the left side of the street looks burnt. Why? (Click on photo for enlarged view.) The building on the left is the USPS Federal Building and on the right is WTC7. WTC5 is on fire at the end of the street. Why? If this area is hot enough for spontaneous combustion, why isn't the paper on fire? The cars on the right side of the street are also toasted.
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    Figure flip. Why is this car upside down? A burned out SUV with missing windows and toasted front end is parked in front of WFC2 on West Street but will not be moving under its own power.
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    • Lower Manhattan Top

    Figure Map. Arial view of lower Manhattan.
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    Figure 66(a). Cars along FDR drive were randomly toasted. These cars are at least 1/2 mile away from the WTC. Note the waviness of the tire tracks. What happened?
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    Figure 66(b). Wheels appear to have steel-belts from the tires still on them.
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    Figure 66(c). Did one car run under the other during the event or were they stacked after the event? The marks in the pavement suggest they were pushed to the side of the road.
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    Figure 66(d). The remains of a steel-belted tire without the rubber. This is a close-up of the figure above.
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    Figure 66(j). The front end of this FDNY car is toasted and mildly deformed, while the door appears undamaged and the window glass is intact. The debris on this car suggests it was near the WTC.
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    Figure 66(f). While the bodies of these toasted vehicles still exist, they've been incinerated. All of the softer materials inside and out have disappeared.
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    Figure 66(k). This Toasted Interior was consumed except for the fire extinguisher.
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    Figure 66(l). The front half of car 2723 is toasted, but check out the new wax job on the back. Notice the missing front door handle and the untouched back door handle.
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    Figure 66(m). What happened to the top half of car 1250? The doors are crinkled up, but the rear tire looks OK.
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    Figure 66(n). There is extensive damage to the front of car 2723, including no door handle on the driver's door. There is an unusual, unburned circular area on the rear door.
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  25. Part 3 of Toasted Cars



  26. In the debate over toasted cars ignited by this article, some have argued that the wrecked vehicles on FDR drive were damaged at the WTC and were loaded up and transported and dumped on FDR drive for storage. First, there is no evidence that this was done. Second, it makes no sense to load up wrecks, transport them, only to dump them in a busy thoroughfare for storage. These wrecks would have had to be picked up yet again and transported again. If vehicles were truly moved from the WTC to FDR Drive, we wonder why WTC steel beams were not stacked up on FDR drive, as well, if it was such a good storage area. Third, governments may be stupid, but we doubt they could be this inefficient. If reported, it would have been a minor scandal. Fourth, we might be wrong about the facts here, but it looks like the motive for this speculation about shifting wrecks around lower Manhattan is to protect the official story or thermite story or other pet theories. We fail to see any other explanation for such a "forced" interpretation for these photographs. Fifth, marks on the roadway suggest that some of these vehicles were pushed to the side of the roadway until they could be removed. For example, see this figure. This is a more natural explanation for why some of the cars appear to have been moved from where they were damaged rather than all the way from the WTC.



    • Burning Cars Top

    Figure 66(g). This fire seems to be very selective.


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    Figure 66(i). A minivan is consumed by flames. The fire rages inside the vehicle, contained by the remaining windows. The fire appears more intense at the front where the engine is.
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    Figure onfire1. The tires and even the pavement under the car are on fire. The windows appear to be intact with no visible interior fire. There is line of fire along the trunk lid. The right front fender is deformed and has turned white.
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    Figure onfire2. A fire rages, apparently on Vesey Street, sending up thick black smoke. These may be the vehicles that eyewitness Rebecca O. described as she ran past WTC6 during the destruction of WTC2.
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    • Missing Windows Top

    Figure 66(o). Why doesn't the paper burn?

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    Figure 66(p). No window? What happened to the rear-view mirror?
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    Figure 66(q). Why is the rubber window gasket hanging outward?
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    Figure 66(r). Sans windows. (But nice tire!)
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    Figure 66(s). Why is the paper shredded but nothing else apparently disturbed?
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    Figure 66(t). What blew out the windows without damaging the rest of the fire truck?
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    Figure 66(u). The window gasket is on the outside. What blew out the windows? What dislodged the front grill?
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    Figure 66(v). It didn't blow out just the middle portion of the windows; it blew out the windows all the way back to the frame where it was mounted.
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    Figure 66(w). Hosing down the windowless fire truck.
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    Figure 66(x). Final cleaning of the windowless fire truck. Notice its grill is missing.
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    Figure 66(y). What could have caused such extensive damage to this car? Has the passenger side shoulder harness survived? Where's the steering wheel?
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    Figure 66(z). Why is this fire truck burnt? It is missing its front grill, headlights, and related front end bright-work. Where are the tires?
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    Most of the 1400 toasted cars had some, if not all, windows missing. What would cause this? Figure yy, below, shows a silver convertible with its top apparently intact but missing some of its window glass. If the windows were blown out from pressure inside, we would expect the convertible top to have been torn or blown off. This suggests that the windows were not blown out by internal pressure, but may have been shattered by some other mechanism.

    Figure yy. The cars parked in the back suffered extensive damage. The car on the left and on the far right look like they have had their engines eaten. The cars in the foreground experienced less damage, but many windows are missing, however partial and whole windows also remain.
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    Figure 78. Why is this windshield crumpled up? Curiously, the interior of the car does not appear to contain anything that crashed through the windshield.
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