no drei they don't spit in your face.. they are just voicing an opinion, and the present incarnation of the executive branch of the US government does suck IMO.. and I did 5 years in the Army, so I can voice my opinion I guess...
Same here, I also vote this law and the agenda behind it SUCKS, they are bending over to media hype. Ignorant fools they will only force those they are trying to protect to use real steroids or simply increase the drive to make new legal possibly less healthy ones.and I did 5 years in the Army
Exactly. It wouldn't matter who was in the White House, with the bipartisan support this bill has any president who vetoed it would be committing political suicide.what does the executive branch have to do with both houses of congress passing it...overwhelmingly...it wouldn't matter of Nader was in the white house...both houses of congress republicans and democrats overwhelmingly are going to support this ban.
I agree. Bush is a good man, but I'm not thrilled with some of the things he does. However, he is much better than Gore would have been, and is a helluva lot better than Kerry would be.I happen to like the current incarnation of the executive branch though I don't agree with about a quarter of what he does...I agree with the other three quarters.
I most definitely do not want to get too far off topic and turn this into a political thread, but you seem to be grossly misinformed. Nobody EVER said we were going to be out of Iraq by June 30. The deal was (and still is) that we will transfer sovereignty to the Iraqis, meaning that they will be in charge of their own government. Our troops will continue to be there for quite some time, to help pacify the terrorists that are threatening the peace there, to train the new Iraqi military, and to help maintain law and order. In fact, we'll probably end up with a permanent military base there, like we did with Germany and Japan. Both of whom, by the way, are doing very well running their own governments, as we all hope the Iraqis will.Does anyone think we are going to be out of Iraq by June 30. Hell no. Has Bush came up with a plan of action. Hell no. All he does is give some bullshit dreams he has like Martin Luther King that will not materialize.
We don't need any more people Like Michael ( Dude where's my waist line) Moore. I liked his first two films but the last one he went off the deep end with many distortions exaggerations, and lies. For example, he mentions a kid who takes his fathers gun to school and shot another student. He left out the kid lived in a crack house, his parents are crack addicts, and he had previously stabbed another student with a pencil. People don't believe what he has to say because he isn't reliable. Moore is about as far to the left as you can get and is a total hypocrite. He mentions Wesley Clark in his movie about bombing people then he turns around and endorses him for President. He calls Bush a deserter but says nothing about Clintons draft dodging or Al Gore having a body guard when he was in Viet Nam. He has a bat up his ass about the war in Iraq but it's funny I can't remember him protesting like he is now when Clinton bombed an aspirin factory or with Somalia. He loves to bring up all Bushes oil connections and other financial conflicts of interest but never got upset about any of Clintons or Al Gores. He was against NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO but Clinton and a lame duck democratic senate were the ones who passed it. A few weeks ago he basically said more of our solders needed to die so we can apologize to the worlds for our actions. He didn't support sending any other countries troops to help us because they might loose their lives. Yeah Michael Moore loves America and our troops. One last thing, the fat bastard who dresses like a hobo lives in a extremely expensive Manhattan condo and sends his kids to private school. Typical limousine liberal. So if you have a D at the end of your name instead of an R , I guess you can do no wrong.Side note : Michael Moore won at Cannes... it's obvious that the world's film industry seems to approove his work. So why most Americans wont believe what he has to say or don't even listen to him? We need more people like Moore in America... people who can think by their own selves and open their eyes to the reality.
That's pretty damn scary what's happening in Canada. They just had something on the news about a "Hate Speech" law for homosexuals. Which means if you say anything disagreeing with them you could be sent to prison.canada goes a step further by CRIMINALIZING offensive speech.
The andro ban on the left coast happened before Arnold was the gov. Also people need to keep in mind that Arnold isn't the hero people make him out to be he a very political person. In other words Arnold isn't going to knock off any percentage points of his popularity to save andro. It is also debatable if he is a real conservative allot he is liberal on many issues.matthew, this was going on LONG before arnold. furthermore, arnold is governor
If you think about it there is not all that much difference from far left and right. The extreme examples would be socialism and fascism. Socialist believe that the government should own and control every thing. Fascist believes the government should tell everyone and everything what to do.I don't like the far left, they are to alien in the way they think to me.. and I don't like the far right again because of the alien way of thinking... in both cases, they are just trying to restrict the way that we think.. think like us or you are wrong..
We don't need any more people Like Michael ( Dude where's my waist line) Moore. I liked his first two films but the last one he went off the deep end with many distortions exaggerations, and lies. For example, he mentions a kid who takes his fathers gun to school and shot another student. He left out the kid lived in a crack house, his parents are crack addicts, and he had previously stabbed another student with a pencil. People don't believe what he has to say because he isn't reliable. Moore is about as far to the left as you can get and is a total hypocrite. He mentions Wesley Clark in his movie about bombing people then he turns around and endorses him for President. He calls Bush a deserter but says nothing about Clintons draft dodging or Al Gore having a body guard when he was in Viet Nam. He has a bat up his ass about the war in Iraq but it's funny I can't remember him protesting like he is now when Clinton bombed an aspirin factory or with Somalia. He loves to bring up all Bushes oil connections and other financial conflicts of interest but never got upset about any of Clintons or Al Gores. He was against NAFTA, GATT, and the WTO but Clinton and a lame duck democratic senate were the ones who passed it. A few weeks ago he basically said more of our solders needed to die so we can apologize to the worlds for our actions. He didn't support sending any other countries troops to help us because they might loose their lives. Yeah Michael Moore loves America and our troops. One last thing, the fat bastard who dresses like a hobo lives in a extremely expensive Manhattan condo and sends his kids to private school. Typical limousine liberal. So if you have a D at the end of your name instead of an R , I guess you can do no wrong.
The world approves of Michael Moore so we should too? In many of the countries that approve of Moore you can't buy a bottle of vitamin C with out a prescription should we do that to because that's what rest of the world does too?
First, it was me and not Matthew... plus : Canadian Civil Liberties Association- a non-profit, non-government law-reform organizationmatthew said:As for Canadian laws about hatefull speech, Im not too sure where you got that from
why don't you LOOK it UP. we are not making this up. try, for a start, the website for the CCLA (canadian civil liberties association)
canada bans speech that is hateful, offensive, that denigrates group identity.
it is fascist, anti-democratic, and freedom hating legislation.
look it up
This is off topic, but I have questioned the basis of hate crimes. To me, the vast majority of all crimes are commited out of hate. To single out only select crimes as being "hate crimes" seems unjust.i recently took a class wherein i was trained to train other instructors in investigating hate crimes in the US. it was taught by both canadian and US instructors, and this class was taught to both civilians and govt. types.
I got it from various news sources and allot of it comes from Michael Moore himself. In the case of the kid in the crack house it made national news before he put it in his movie. Many of the statistics he used are also wrong or purposefully misleading. Moore often has the habit of saying things then back peddling.Where'd you get all that from? Washington Post? There are quite a few discordance with what you have said that Moore said and the actual texts he wrote.
You bet but you don't know. Let me phase it this way...would you rather be able to run out to the store a pick of a particular vitamin or have to deal with a giant bureaucracy simply to pick up some vitamins? That's a pretty black and white issue to me. At least with black and white you have two options. With everything being gray you only have one.As for the prescription for vitamin C in some countries, it's obvious that some governments want more control over drugs running around than the FDA does. There are so many supplements on the US market and most of them don't contain exactly what is written on their labels. I bet those kind of prescription are easy to get, even if it's more time consuming. The way you talk, everything is black or white but there's a middle which is usually the ideal point.
It was on the nightly news here. I read another story about a year ago saying someone was put in jail for hate speech. The United States constitution has the first amendment for a reason. For some reason many people interpret this as freedom from being offended.When you have free speech eventually someone's going to say something that you don't agree with or that offends you. Free speech enjoy it wile it lasts.............. then welcome to the brave new world.As for Canadian laws about hatefull speech, Im not too sure where you got that from cause I've never heard anything about this and seen/heard plenty of people hurting others' fellings.
What about KKK being illegal? Anyways, even if it isn't outlawed in the US, I'm pretty sure you've never seen Pro-Hitler articles in the Washington Post or how fags are disgusting in some other magazine or even misogynist speech... outlawed or not, it's a norm. You fail to understand when this law is applied anyways cause I've never heard of anyone running to police to transmit a deposition because he just got called a n**** (note be very careful with this Matt D)Am I the only one with a problem with "hate crimes". First of all it's pretty stupid way to phrase it........ not to be confused with death crimes and love crimes. It puts one group of people on a pedestal and second class citizens out of any one else. So if person A gets stabbed because they wanted his money and person B gets stabbed because of his skin color, what they are saying is the people who stabbed person B should get more time because it's a "hate crime"? That is unconstitutional. It violates equal protection under the law.
The KKK isn't illegal and shouldn't be. They have a right to say and believe what ever they want. They don't have the right to hurt anyone.What about KKK being illegal?
Maybe not. However people who believe such things have a right to speak about threw other means such as the internet. As JJD stated holocaust deniers were moving their web sites here in order to avoid prosecution. I for example am against Homosexual marriage and most of the homosexual activist agenda. Should I be thrown in jail because I disagree with them?Anyways, even if it isn't outlawed in the US, I'm pretty sure you've never seen Pro-Hitler articles in the Washington Post or how fags are disgusting in some other magazine or even misogynist speech...
Actually that did happen here. A couple got into a altercation with someone as they were walking away from it one of them muttered a racial slur. An off duty police officer followed them and arrested them. I have read at least one person was arrested for "hate speech in Canada. Maybe it's you who fails to understand?You fail to understand when this law is applied anyways cause I've never heard of anyone running to police to transmit a deposition because he just got called a n****
No but it's coming I think. It's more in the form of self censorship and being ridiculed. For example any one against affirmative action is a racist, anyone who is against any homosexual agenda is a homophobic ...i am at least glad that in the US (unlike canada, the UK, etc.) hate SPEECH is not outlawed.
The KKK isn't illegal and shouldn't be. They have a right to say and believe what ever they want. They don't have the right to hurt anyone.
Maybe not. However people who believe such things have a right to speak about threw other means such as the internet. As JJD stated holocaust deniers were moving their web sites here in order to avoid prosecution. I for example am against Homosexual marriage and most of the homosexual activist agenda. Should I be thrown in jail because I disagree with them?
Actually that did happen here. A couple got into a altercation with someone as they were walking away from it one of them muttered a racial slur. An off duty police officer followed them and arrested them. I have read at least one person was arrested for "hate speech in Canada. Maybe it's you who fails to understand?
What do you mean by this? Do you mean if they hate speech law would put Canadians in jail because they are opposed to gay marriage? The law will be applied because as I said before I have come across a few causes of people being prosecuted for hate speech.thought KKK became illegal when the supreme court decided so. As for Homosexual marriage, if that law was really applied, then a damn lot of Canadians would be in jail right now. This law is as unapplied as the Vermont's law saying that it is illegal to deny the existence of God..
It's a great place to live until you speak out about something you disagree with. My point is there seems to be a group of people in most governments trying to bring about a Orwellian state.Yet, it is probably true that Canada has more restrictive laws than US but what's your point exactly? It's still a very great place to live.
That's so totally untrue wether there's a law or not against it. I live in Canada so I think I know a bit more than you about what happens there.they feel that the govt. has the right to outlaw and prosecute speech based on content. they do not think that speech that makes people feel "icky" should be legal.
Doc I mean you no offence or disrespect , that being said you don't seem to be the most informed person in the world. You didn't know about Moore, the KKK, or Canada's hate speech laws and you live there.That's so totally untrue wether there's a law or not against it. I live in Canada so I think I know a bit more than you about what happens there.
Over use of the word freedom? The whole United States constitutions foundation is built on freedom. Explain how it's limited?Not to mention that Americans overuse the word freedom and fail to see that it's way more limited than that and Im not talking about the laws.
Should I post more stories?That's so totally untrue wether there's a law or not against it. I live in Canada so I think I know a bit more than you about what happens there.
:shoot:We need more people like Moore in America... people who can think by their own selves and open their eyes to the reality.
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