Hives when working out

[ecosocialist]

Ok so when I first begin to workout, I get really itchy and develop red blotches and what I believe are little hives.

This doesnt happen all the time but when it does, its pretty bad.

This is also minus Beta-Alanine.

Any ideas and does this happen to anyone else?

 

[Blacktail]

If you are at a public facility where you are required to clean the workstation after use, you may be allergic to the chemicals contained in the cleaner.

 

[Gonzo14]

def need some more info about when you get them where you are, ect ect to help. pretty much right now it could be anything.

 

[suncloud]

sounds like you have an allergy to your own test levels, which are being spiked during workouts.....

alright, i need sleep....

 

[ecosocialist]

I have wondered that, but it happens even when only using the free weights.

I get them EVERYWHERE which sucks a whole lot, I work out at Snap Fitness, I have no known allergies except to Era laundry detergent and sulfa anti-biotics.

 

[urbanski]

google this
exercise urticaria

a bunch of PubMed articles cite food allergies as a trigger for this. i think you should see an Allergist.

 

[DeerDeer]

google this
exercise urticaria

a bunch of PubMed articles cite food allergies as a trigger for this. i think you should see an Allergist.

Great thought - there are various types of urticaria, pressure urticaria (just from having pressure put on your skin, you get hives when you scratch yourself or write something on your skin - called dermographism).

What he likely has is cholinergic urticaria, hives from sweating. Most people treat this with a long acting, non-sedating antihistamine, ie zyrtec. A condition that shouldn't be worrisome.

 

[suncloud]

its also possible that your allergens are found on the benches you use. if anyone used that detergent and was on that bench, you will obviously get hives from contact. not to mention that there are probably other detergents you are allergic to (but haven't discovered yet).

try wiping down the bench with disinfectant and a cloth and see if the hives stop. if that doesn't take care of the problem, post 6/7 is the likely answer.

 

[urbanski]

What he likely has is cholinergic urticaria, hives from sweating. Most people treat this with a long acting, non-sedating antihistamine, ie zyrtec. A condition that shouldn't be worrisome.

i have dermographism, its really cool :shocked:

but yeah, i dont think what he has is "danergous" per se, its not anaphylaxis. but getting down to the root cause could be helpful. maybe its something he's exposing himself to, maybe a dye or food. eliminating that could prevent him from needing the daily zyrtec.

 

[DeerDeer]

An allergic contact to the benches would more likely be an eczematous eruption, with itch, not so much hives.

 

[suncloud]

An allergic contact to the benches would more likely be an eczematous eruption, with itch, not so much hives.

you're probably right.

 

[Blacktail]

An allergic contact to the benches would more likely be an eczematous eruption, with itch, not so much hives.

I don't know what the hell your talking about lol. Hives ARE itchy. http://www.medicinenet.com/hives/article.htm
I used to get them from sunlight detergent and bounce sheets.Also from one form of fantastik. EE usually results in serous discharge, and crusting, which my father gets on his hands. He uses coal tar on it, which reeks but works. I would suggest some bendryl before working out to see if it prevents the hives from forming. It could also be the sweat you produce releasing the chemicals in your clothing from cleaners/softeners. The best advice was to get an allergy test done.

 

[ecosocialist]

The bench would definitely make sense, but my last occurrence happened after no contact with bench, restroom facilities, etc. Only a dumbell.

It happens within seconds of working out too, thats the really odd thing, and not so sure about the sweating since I had just come in from -20F out of my broken thermostated car lol.

So im thinking the exercised induced urticaria is right on the money.

Interesting, i will definitely have to try the zyrtec approach.

 

[TheLastRonin]

The bench would definitely make sense, but my last occurrence happened after no contact with bench, restroom facilities, etc. Only a dumbell.

It happens within seconds of working out too, thats the really odd thing, and not so sure about the sweating since I had just come in from -20F out of my broken thermostated car lol.

So im thinking the exercised induced urticaria is right on the money.

Interesting, i will definitely have to try the zyrtec approach.

Hmm, yea could be Cholinergic or Adrenergic urticaria for sure man. I would see your GP if I was in your shoes.

 

[ecosocialist]

Hmm, yea could be Cholinergic or Adrenergic urticaria for sure man. I would see your GP if I was on your shoes.

Very interesting, I shall do that on the 5th when I go in for my mammogram... long story

 

[DeerDeer]

I don't know what the hell your talking about lol. Hives ARE itchy. http://www.medicinenet.com/hives/article.htm
I used to get them from sunlight detergent and bounce sheets.Also from one form of fantastik. EE usually results in serous discharge, and crusting, which my father gets on his hands. He uses coal tar on it, which reeks but works. I would suggest some bendryl before working out to see if it prevents the hives from forming. It could also be the sweat you produce releasing the chemicals in your clothing from cleaners/softeners. The best advice was to get an allergy test done.

I do know what the hell my board certified ass is talking about actually. Coal tar has traditionally been used for psoriasis and in some cases, eczematous processes. Wouldn't ever recommend it as first line. Plenty of other options.

So you want him to take a short acting, sedating antihistamine preworkout? bad choice. Benadryl has its own set side effects.

Solar urticaria is from the sun, all oif these are treated with long acting, nonsedating antihistamines, zyrtec, claritin, allegra to name a few.

Urticaria CAN be pruritic. An "allergy test" is a generic word. Overall they are VERY low yield and is in no way indicated at this time. This is called patch testing where they put a bunch of known allergens on patches and sick them to you for a couple days. If it were a contact allergen the most likely affected sites are where he would have contact with the allergen, not diffuse and hive-like. There is no value in RAST testing either - which is also traditionally used for urticaria and other generalized allergies.

Simply put, he has cholinergic urticaria until proven otherwise.

Better reference and source: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1049978-overview

cheers.

 

[ecosocialist]

I do know what the hell my board certified ass is talking about actually. Coal tar has traditionally been used for psoriasis and in some cases, eczematous processes. Wouldn't ever recommend it as first line. Plenty of other options.

So you want him to take a short acting, sedating antihistamine preworkout? bad choice. Benadryl has its own set side effects.

Solar urticaria is from the sun, all oif these are treated with long acting, nonsedating antihistamines, zyrtec, claritin, allegra to name a few.

Urticaria CAN be pruritic. An "allergy test" is a generic word. Overall they are VERY low yield and is in no way indicated at this time. This is called patch testing where they put a bunch of known allergens on patches and sick them to you for a couple days. If it were a contact allergen the most likely affected sites are where he would have contact with the allergen, not diffuse and hive-like. There is no value in RAST testing either - which is also traditionally used for urticaria and other generalized allergies.

Simply put, he has cholinergic urticaria until proven otherwise.

Better reference and source: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1049978-overview

cheers.

Why dont I get responses like that from my own doctor :thinking:

So far that sounds right. It happens VERY quickly, as in my first set. Small red bumps, blotches, itchy as hell. I didnt think it was related to sweating or body temperature but I am no doctor and so cannot offer an opinion otherwise.

 

[ecosocialist]

And for the sake of diagnosis, I will try to further narrow down some of the details, such as if it ONLY happens at Snap, ONLY during exercise, if its my gloves, etc...

 

[Blacktail]

I do know what the hell my board certified ass is talking about actually. Coal tar has traditionally been used for and in some cases, eczematous processes. Wouldn't ever recommend it as first line. Plenty of other options.
My dad has psoriasis as well, he was never prescribed coal tar. Self medicated. He experimented on himself. I guess thats where i get that part of my brain from haha.
Perhaps I misunderstood you as I thought you said hives were not itchy no? As I have extensive personal experience that they are indeed.

So you want him to take a short acting, sedating antihistamine preworkout? bad choice. Benadryl has its own set side effects.

Maybe it is a bad choice, but it is what most people have immediately on hand and would work. He doesn't have to do it on a work out day either...just as a test to see if it is an allergic reaction when he touches a weight,starts to get sweaty or produces adrenalin.

Solar urticaria is from the sun, all oif these are treated with long acting, nonsedating antihistamines, zyrtec, claritin, allegra to name a few.

I agree, these are good choices, if he needed to take them pre workout all the time or in general life eg;working a physical job. although he hasn't mentioned it occurring during any other physical activity.

Urticaria CAN be pruritic. An "allergy test" is a generic word. Overall they are VERY low yield and is in no way indicated at this time. This is called patch testing where they put a bunch of known allergens on patches and sick them to you for a couple days. If it were a contact allergen the most likely affected sites are where he would have contact with the allergen, not diffuse and hive-like. There is no value in RAST testing either - which is also traditionally used for urticaria and other generalized allergies.
Simply put, he has cholinergic urticaria until proven otherwise.

If one was prone to allergic reactions, I would reason myself that I may have allergies related to other things and I should be tested as a just in case. Thus when my sister-in-law found out that she was allergic to shellfish one day, shes was tested and found to be allergic to 6 other very common things, peanuts for one. Not that I don't trust your opinion, but I could say that I am a plumber(which i am not) and give my opinion on fixing your pipes over the internet. His personal GP as was already suggested SHOULD be consulted.

Better reference and source: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1049978-overview

Good article
cheers.

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[DeerDeer]

Antihistamines work by blocking histamine release. He would need to take these daily, it may take several days to get enough in his system, they don't work just by taking them as needed, it is a chronic therapy, not prn.

 

[DeerDeer]

Lotsa good learning points fellas! Discussion appreiated.

Cheers!

 

[urbanski]

i always thought antihistamines (at least the common ones like claritin, zyrtec) were competitive H1 receptor antagonists, whereas mast cell stabilizers like cromolyn werent really what we were talking about here.

 

[DeerDeer]

i always thought antihistamines (at least the common ones like claritin, zyrtec) were competitive H1 receptor antagonists, whereas mast cell stabilizers like cromolyn werent really what we were talking about here.

I was just trying to simplify

 

[urbanski]

^^ gotcha

either way, dermographism is cool aint it

 

[ecosocialist]

I am very very certain it is a reaction to sweat/body heat cause I just woke up (its -9F out so my room is space heated to hell) and noticed that I was sweating. Then bam, right this very moment, it is getting worse. Hives, terrible itching, and redness.

 

[ecosocialist]

Well I'm off to workout, wish me luck as i look like a diseased blotchy freak...
:scared1:

 

[ecosocialist]

And as suspected, more hives, this time within 4 minutes but not as severe.