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    mandatory flu vaccines?


    Yes, it's an email, blow me. How much truth do you guys see in here, both as to vaccines danger and effectiveness, as well as the possibility of gov't action of this type. I'm sceptical.


    If the government mandates a series of flu shots this fall — so far they are only "recommending" the shots — you can expect to get a dose of thimerosal (mercury), formaldehyde, detergent, MF-59 (an oil-based adjuvant), and other toxins.

    Incidentally, if you believe the government will not kidnap you at gunpoint and lock you in a concentration camp and possibly force you to take these toxins, check out Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003. It states that the government has the authority to establish "regulations providing for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of suspected communicable diseases," including diseases at that time "not yet isolated or named."

    Of course, the government will decide if you have a deadly disease or not.

    "By 1853, Parliament began passing laws to make the untested vaccine compulsory
    throughout the British Empire. Other countries of Europe followed suit. Once the
    economic implications of compulsory vaccinations were realized, few dared to
    disagree. Then, as now, the media were controlled by the vaccine manufacturers
    and the government, who stood to make huge money from the sale of these spurious
    vaccines.".. . Tim O'Shea, D.C.

    1. What's in the regular flu shot?

    Egg proteins: including avian contaminant viruses

    Gelatin: known to cause allergic reactions and anaphylaxis are usually
    associated with sensitivity to egg or gelatin

    Polysorbate 80 (Tween80™): can cause severe allergic reactions,
    including anaphylaxis

    Formaldehyde: known carcinogen

    Triton X100: a strong detergent

    Sucrose: table sugar

    Resin: known to cause allergic reactions

    Gentamycin: an antibiotic

    Thimerosal: mercury is still in multidose vials.

    2. Do flu shots work?

    Not in babies: In a review of more than 51 studies involving more than
    294,000 children it was found there was "no evidence that injecting
    children 6-24 months of age with a flu shotwas any more effective than
    placebo. In children over 2 yrs, it was only effective 33% of the time in
    preventing the flu.

    Reference: Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy
    children."

    The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 2 (2008).
    Not in children with asthma: A study 800 children with asthma,
    where one half were vaccinated and the other half did not receive the
    influenza vaccine. The two groups were compared with respect to
    clinic visits, emergency department (ED) visits, and hospitalizations
    for asthma.

    CONCLUSION: This study failed to provide evidence that
    the influenza vaccine prevents pediatric asthma exacerbations.

    Reference: "Effectiveness of influenza vaccine for the prevention of asthma
    exacerbations. " Christly, C. et al. Arch Dis Child. 2004 Aug;89(8):734- 5.

    Not in children with asthma (2): "The inactivated flu vaccine,
    Flumist, does not prevent influenza-related hospitalizations in
    children, especially the ones with asthma…In fact, children who get
    the flu vaccine are more at risk for hospitalization than children who
    do not get the vaccine." Reference: The American Thoracic Society's 105th
    International Conference, May 15-20, 2009, San Diego.

    Not in adults: In a review of 48 reports including more than 66,000
    adults, "Vaccination of healthy adults only reduced risk of influenza
    by 6% and reduced the number of missed work days by less than one
    day (0.16) days. It did not change the number of people needing to go
    to hospital or take time off work." Reference: "Vaccines for preventing
    influenza in healthy adults." The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews.
    1(2006).

    Not in the Elderly: In a review of 64 studies in 98 flu seasons, For
    elderly living in nursing homes, flu shots were non-significant for
    preventing the flu. For elderly living in the community, vaccines were
    not (significantly) effective against influenza, ILI or pneumonia.
    Reference: "Vaccines for preventing influenza in the elderly."
    The Cochrane
    Database of Systematic Reviews. 3(2006).

    3. What about the new Swine Flu shot?

    A new report from a WHO advisory group predicts that global
    production of vaccine for the novel H1N1 influenza virus could be as
    much as 4.9 billon doses a year, far higher than previous estimates.
    The report says that vaccine makers are expected to produce
    about 780 million doses of seasonal flu vaccine for the northern
    hemisphere's 2008-09 flu season for the
    June 12 Announcement:

    The new H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine is going to be made by
    Novartis. It will probably be made in PER.C6 cells (human
    retina cells) and contain MF59, a potentially debilitating
    adjuvant.

    MF-59 is an oil-based adjuvant primarily composed of
    squalene, Tween 80 and Span85.

    All oil adjuvants injected into rats were found toxic. All rats
    developed an MS-like disease that left them crippled, dragging
    their paralyzed hindquarters across their cages.
    Squalene caused severe arthritis (3 on scale of 4). Squalene in
    humans at 10-20 ppb (parts per billion) lead to severe immune
    responses, such as autoimmune arthritis and lupus.
    Reference: Kenney, RT. Edleman, R. "Survey of human-use adjuvants."
    Expert Review of Vaccines. 2 (2003) p171.
    Reference: Matsumoto, Gary. Vaccine A: The Covert Government
    Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers and Why GI's Are Only the First
    Victims of this Vaccine. New York: Basic Books. p54.
    Federal health officials will probably recommend that most
    Americans get three flu shots this fall: one regular flu shot and
    two doses of any vaccine made against the new swine flu strain.
    Reference: Washington Post, Wednesday, May 6, 2009
    HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is talking to school
    superintendents around the country, urging them to spend the
    summer planning what to do if the government decides it needs
    their buildings for mass vaccinations and vaccinating kids first.
    Reference: CBS News, June 12, 2009.

    4. Is Mandatory Vaccination Possible?

    1946: US Public Health Service was established and EO 9708 (Executive
    Order) was signed, listing the communicable diseases where quarantines
    could be used. 1946 and 2003, cholera, diphtheria, TB, typhoid,
    smallpox, yellow fever, & viral hemorrhagic fevers were added.
    April 4, 2003: EO 13295 added SARS to the list.
    April 1, 2005: EO 13295 added "Influenza caused by novel or re-emergent
    influenza viruses that are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic."
    EO 13295 also:
    The president gave the Sec. of HHS the power to quarantine, his or
    her discretion.
    Sec of HHS has the power to arrange for the "apprehension and
    examination of persons reasonably thought to be infected." A cough
    or a fever could put a person at risk for being quarantined for an
    extended period of time without recourse.
    January 28, 2003: Project BioShield was introduced during Bush's State of the
    Union Address. This created permanent and indefinite funding authority to
    develop "medical countermeasures. "
    The NIH was given authority to speed approval of drugs and vaccines.
    Emergency approval of a "fast tracked" drug and vaccine can be
    given without the regular course of safety testing.
    December 17, 2006: Division E: The Public Readiness and Emergency
    Preparedness Act was added as an addendum to Defense Appropriations Bill
    HR 2863 at 11:20p on Saturday night, long after House Committee members
    had signed off on the bill and gone home for the holidays. Section (b)(1)
    states:
    The Sec of HHS can make a determination that a "disease, health
    condition or threat" constitutes a public health emergency. He or she
    may then recommend "the manufacture, testing, development,
    administration, or use of one or more covered counter measures…"
    A covered countermeasure defined as a "pandemic product, vaccine
    or drug."
    Division E also provides complete liability protection for all drugs,
    vaccines or biological products deemed a "covered countermeasure"
    and used for an outbreak of any kind.
    Complete liability protection has been given to drug companies for
    any product used for any public health emergency declared by Sec of
    HHS.
    Pharma is now protected from all accountability, unless "criminal
    intent to do harm" can be proven by the injured party. They are
    protected from liability even if they know the drug will be harmful.

    5. What can I do?

    These are just a few suggestions; please come up
    with more of your own! Add to this list and spread the word.
    Give this information to everyone you know and love.
    Contact local first responders (EMTs, Paramedics, Fireman, etc). Tell
    them what is will be in the flu shots and that *they* will be the first
    ones to get it.
    Contact local police and discuss concerns about mandatory
    vaccination. You go to church and to the grocery store with these
    folks and their kids play with your kids. They are not "scary" people.
    Take them coffee and a treat to get in the door... !
    Contact local city council members about your liberties. You need
    their support to maintain your right to refuse.
    Write a small article for LOCAL, community newspapers. Watch for
    samples on www.DrTenpenny. com
    Have at least 3 weeks of food and water at your house and be
    prepared to voluntarily self-quarantine of given no other options.
    Stock up on Vitamin D3 (3000IU per person), Vitamin A, Vitamin
    C, etc and homeopathics for the flu
    Someone told me if you had to get the shot, *immediately* afterward,
    rub the area hard and brisk with 1/2 of a freshly cut lemon. I don't
    know if that will help, but it certainly can't hurt.

    Check out www.oath-keepers. org . A pdf of their oath for easy
    printing will be on www.DrTenpenny. com I am sharing this with
    local military recruitment office, reservists and retired military people
    we know.

    Connect with other activist organizations – those who support 2nd
    amendment issues, the environmental and animal rights. Help spread
    the word about their passion and get them involved with yours.
    You can't do it all,
    but you can do something!

    As stated years ago by Margaret Mead, "Never doubt that a
    small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the
    world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."

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    Executive Order 13295 of April 4, 2003

    Revised List of Quarantinable Communicable Diseases

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 264(b)), it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Based upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the ``Secretary' '), in consultation with the Surgeon General, and for the purpose of specifying certain communicable diseases for regulations providing for the apprehension, detention, or conditional release of individuals to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of suspected communicable diseases, the following communicable diseases are hereby specified pursuant to section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act:

    (a) Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers (Lassa, Marburg, Ebola, Crimean-Congo, South American, and others not yet isolated or named).

    (b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public health consequences.

    Sec. 2. The Secretary, in the Secretary's discretion, shall determine whether a particular condition constitutes a communicable disease of the type specified in section 1 of this order.

    Sec. 3. The functions of the President under sections 362 and 364(a) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 265 and 267(a)) are assigned to the Secretary.

    Sec. 4. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit enforceable at law or equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, entities, officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

    Sec. 5. Executive Order 12452 of December 22, 1983, is hereby revoked.

    [signed:] George W. Bush

    THE WHITE HOUSE,
    April 4, 2003.

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    I am against most vaccines, if not all vaccines. To much danger, plus you wanna know one of the reasons so many viruses/bacterial infections are mutating? When they come into contact with a vaccinated person, it tries to overcome the obstical through mutation/producing a new strain.

    Hell look at some of the side effects our soldiers go through when they get these vaccines to fight over seas.
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    There's no way in Hell I'm reading that whole thing, but I can say for certain that my flu vaccine kept me from getting the flu this year. I was exposed to the virus multiple times and never contracted it.
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    In my personal experience Flu vaccines prevent you from getting Flu but they make you sick....

    BTW I am not going to read all that....
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    As i am all for person choice, and feel this post and/or email is really just playing on fear, and mongering to no end, there is NO WAY a vaccine will be pressed on the American population. Never has, never will.

    I must also state if you do not get your children vaccinated you are a ****ing idiot. You are only setting your children up for a run of preventable disease, and possibly death. The statement of autism rising since introduction of vaccines is an asinine argument since no other factors than those two are taken into account. Thats like saying more red cars are on the street because Maaco ran out of yellow.

    Vaccines have all but eradicated certain diseases, thankfully. We do not have to experience certain things because of such. Superbugs are developed more so because of overuse of antibiotics, and incessant overuse of damn hand sanitizer.

    let your kid make and eat a mud pie, it is good for them. I think most of us this age has played in the mud.

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    How can you be so sure it will not be forced upon the American population??? Your forced to pay taxes...there is no law saying we have to do that, but if you don't what is the end result???

    I would be leery of any mass vaccination's taking process. It isn't paranoia,just read between the lines a little bit.
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    Just wait until National Healthcare kicks in...you will be "required" to get all sorts of things you don't want. You are, after all, now a government investment.
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    In a response to the 1763 uprising known as "Pontiac's Rebellion" Jeffrey Amherst, an officer in the British Army then later Commander-In Cheif,suggested using Smallpox as a weapon and means for "Racial Extermination" one the first documented attempts of biological warfare. Passing out clothing and blankets to the Indian Community infested with smallpox knowing damn well that they did not have a vaccine for this..... Today it's AIDS??? You better believe that **** is man made...
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    Quote Originally Posted by airram479 View Post
    In a response to the 1763 uprising known as "Pontiac's Rebellion" Jeffrey Amherst, an officer in the British Army then later Commander-In Cheif,suggested using Smallpox as a weapon and means for "Racial Extermination" one the first documented attempts of biological warfare. Passing out clothing and blankets to the Indian Community infested with smallpox knowing damn well that they did not have a vaccine for this..... Today it's AIDS??? You better believe that **** is man made...
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    An armed society is a polite society.

    They can come and try to force any vaccine down my throat... I dare them ;D

    THis is why the 2nd amendment is so important to our rights. There is almost a gun in America for every man, woman, and child. When the government becomes tyrannical and tries to control you.. there are 2 scenarios... live like the UK where pocketknives are illegal, or be an American, revolt, and take back our country by force. It has been done before and will happen again. The government has walked all over the Constitution more than anyone realizes. Every new law is another shackle on our freedom either in the name of the children, terrorism, or global warming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    An armed society is a polite society.

    They can come and try to force any vaccine down my throat... I dare them ;D

    THis is why the 2nd amendment is so important to our rights. There is almost a gun in America for every man, woman, and child. When the government becomes tyrannical and tries to control you.. there are 2 scenarios... live like the UK where pocketknives are illegal, or be an American, revolt, and take back our country by force. It has been done before and will happen again. The government has walked all over the Constitution more than anyone realizes. Every new law is another shackle on our freedom either in the name of the children, terrorism, or global warming.
    Think of the Terrorist Children in their warm globes.
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    Each thing that becomes "Mandatory" is one more shiner to the eyes of freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    An armed society is a polite society.

    They can come and try to force any vaccine down my throat... I dare them ;D

    THis is why the 2nd amendment is so important to our rights. There is almost a gun in America for every man, woman, and child. When the government becomes tyrannical and tries to control you.. there are 2 scenarios... live like the UK where pocketknives are illegal, or be an American, revolt, and take back our country by force. It has been done before and will happen again. The government has walked all over the Constitution more than anyone realizes. Every new law is another shackle on our freedom either in the name of the children, terrorism, or global warming.
    Agreed... The blood of the tyrannical will spill soon on the streets of Pennsylvania avenue. Not a threat, just a realization that you can only opress a country so far before that spring recoils and rips your teeth out. I love my country, and it's foundation, the direction that is being taken though.... I will be glad to bear arms against a tyranny against the true freedoms of the people of America. Good thing Thomas Jefferson changed the wording of the Virginia Declaration of Rights
    That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
    Otherwise all the people on welfare wouldn't feel they are entitled to my paycheck at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Agreed... The blood of the tyrannical will spill soon on the streets of Pennsylvania avenue. Not a threat, just a realization that you can only opress a country so far before that spring recoils and rips your teeth out. I love my country, and it's foundation, the direction that is being taken though.... I will be glad to bear arms against a tyranny against the true freedoms of the people of America.

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    Agreed... the main problem is that the government pushes us bit by bit and it is great and not reaching the breaking point. If we went from the year 1785 to 2009 over night, there would have been an instant revolution. But when you streeeetttcch this over 224 years, each generation becomes less diligent then the one before.

    So, my main concern is, at what point do we begin this revolution? What will it take to rally up the people against the oppression of club washington?

    As long as they keep taking baby steps, it will never happen.

    I will tell you though, there are already well-organized (non militia, but very armed) civilian groups that are standing by, waiting on the attack of the bill of rights, primarily 2A. The states have started to back the 10th amendment and demand that the feds abide by the constitution and nothing more. If the government attempts a national firearm registration (HIGHLY anti 2A), the war will be on instantly. Part of the security of the 2nd amendment is the government not being allowed to keep records of who owns what. Otherwise they will come and get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palo Alto Labs View Post
    Agreed... the main problem is that the government pushes us bit by bit and it is great and not reaching the breaking point. If we went from the year 1785 to 2009 over night, there would have been an instant revolution. But when you streeeetttcch this over 224 years, each generation becomes less diligent then the one before.

    So, my main concern is, at what point do we begin this revolution? What will it take to rally up the people against the oppression of club washington?

    As long as they keep taking baby steps, it will never happen.

    I will tell you though, there are already well-organized (non militia, but very armed) civilian groups that are standing by, waiting on the attack of the bill of rights, primarily 2A. The states have started to back the 10th amendment and demand that the feds abide by the constitution and nothing more. If the government attempts a national firearm registration (HIGHLY anti 2A), the war will be on instantly. Part of the security of the 2nd amendment is the government not being allowed to keep records of who owns what. Otherwise they will come and get it.
    Montana has been on the attack with their new firearms law. Unregulated, with the words "Made in Montana" stamped on the side. Gun control comes from a small provision in the interstate commerce laws, without the interstate transactions, there is no such thing as gun control. Which is why the Governor of Montana mail the very first fire arm produced under the law to the director of the ATF. A blatant spit in the face to federal government.

    Honestly the baby steps are starting to add up to revolutionary actions. Which is why the report that Ron Paul supporters were extremists. Tea Parties, states bringing infringements of the 10th amendment to the supreme court, Texas leading the way and refusing any and all TARP money. But as you all know... the revolution will not be televised.
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    Sometimes I think my sole purpose for existence is this upcoming revolution. The thought of it brings tears of patriotic joy to my eyes. What greater honor is there to fight for freedom, to throw off the oppressor. Montana is sounding like my kinda place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Sometimes I think my sole purpose for existence is this upcoming revolution. The thought of it brings tears of patriotic joy to my eyes. What greater honor is there to fight for freedom, to throw off the oppressor. Montana is sounding like my kinda place.
    Texas and Alaska are following suit with their laws to reflect Montana's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Sometimes I think my sole purpose for existence is this upcoming revolution. The thought of it brings tears of patriotic joy to my eyes. What greater honor is there to fight for freedom, to throw off the oppressor. Montana is sounding like my kinda place.
    Though consistent with your previous statements it is no less dangerous a belief...sounding like one who lives for war, rather than an evolved human being that knows war is only a means to protect and seek peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Though consistent with your previous statements it is no less dangerous a belief...sounding like one who lives for war, rather than an evolved human being that knows war is only a means to protect and seek peace.
    Not every one can live in peace. In essence organizations like the UFC and such prove that. I enjoy nothing more than a good brawl. Its fun, on the opposite I enjoy being civil and polite in day to day life, and educating myself and being helpful.

    There are destiny's you know, not every one is meant to live to a ripe old age. I would prefer to die by 6 bullets and a nade, than falling off a ladder, or getting hit by a car. Makes for a much better story on the other side

    After this revolution I think I will be settled down(or dead) and be interested in the whole growing old with a family bit.

    I have just spent my whole life growing up watching wrongs, and desire nothing more than to end those wrongs, but sadly words do not work anymore... only the language of crimson is understood.
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    See thats the thing about the american revolution, overall us and the british were on the same playing field in regards to weaponry. Don't know about you but I haven't seen to many abrahms tanks, apache choppers, or f-16's in the backyards of my neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    See thats the thing about the american revolution, overall us and the british were on the same playing field in regards to weaponry. Don't know about you but I haven't seen to many abrahms tanks, apache choppers, or f-16's in the backyards of my neighbors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Not every one can live in peace. In essence organizations like the UFC and such prove that. I enjoy nothing more than a good brawl. Its fun, on the opposite I enjoy being civil and polite in day to day life, and educating myself and being helpful.

    There are destiny's you know, not every one is meant to live to a ripe old age. I would prefer to die by 6 bullets and a nade, than falling off a ladder, or getting hit by a car. Makes for a much better story on the other side

    After this revolution I think I will be settled down(or dead) and be interested in the whole growing old with a family bit.

    I have just spent my whole life growing up watching wrongs, and desire nothing more than to end those wrongs, but sadly words do not work anymore... only the language of crimson is understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    So you believe the military will willingly utilize their firepower to kill US Citizens?
    If there was a deliberate revolution on a large enough scale, absolutely. Throughout history I think the point has been made that people in power will do anything to try and hold onto it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    See thats the thing about the american revolution, overall us and the british were on the same playing field in regards to weaponry. Don't know about you but I haven't seen to many abrahms tanks, apache choppers, or f-16's in the backyards of my neighbors.
    Your "neighbors" are the ones flying these machines. If you think the members of the military are sympathetic to the machinations of the power structure, especially when blatantly ordered to fire on the populace, you are mistaken.

    This is why they have taken such pains to reclassify people into subhuman (drug users - even pot smokers - are TERRORISTS!!!) groupings in order to make it easier to exterminate the troublemakers. However, speaking from experience noboby's falling for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    If there was a deliberate revolution on a large enough scale, absolutely. Throughout history I think the point has been made that people in power will do anything to try and hold onto it.
    Do you know how much the takehome pay of a soldier is, and how their living conditions are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    If there was a deliberate revolution on a large enough scale, absolutely. Throughout history I think the point has been made that people in power will do anything to try and hold onto it.
    Just wondering your stance.

    The military (I am ex-mil) are US Citizens as well, we are not Iran or China... if Tiannaman square happened here there would be no federal government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Not every one can live in peace. In essence organizations like the UFC and such prove that. I enjoy nothing more than a good brawl. Its fun, on the opposite I enjoy being civil and polite in day to day life, and educating myself and being helpful.

    There are destiny's you know, not every one is meant to live to a ripe old age. I would prefer to die by 6 bullets and a nade, than falling off a ladder, or getting hit by a car. Makes for a much better story on the other side

    After this revolution I think I will be settled down(or dead) and be interested in the whole growing old with a family bit.

    I have just spent my whole life growing up watching wrongs, and desire nothing more than to end those wrongs, but sadly words do not work anymore... only the language of crimson is understood.
    Not trying to start a flamewar, but perhaps loaning you come perspective for "other threads". Your entire post and proclaimed lifestyle is as Anti-Christian as you can get.

    Just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Do you know how much the takehome pay of a soldier is, and how their living conditions are?
    Exactly.. the military is not driven by powerful people, it is by the E1-E5 that is the heart of the military, there is not power struggle to fight for there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Just wondering your stance.

    The military (I am ex-mil) are US Citizens as well, we are not Iran or China... if Tiannaman square happened here there would be no federal government.

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    All I know is that god forbid if america was to have a civil war in this day and age the death toll would be in the tens of millions felt on both sides. With an outside shot of seeing a lot of places go up in a bright flash of light. But thats just me I tend to think the worst, that way when i wake up I can say "hey another day went by and we didn't blow ourselves to hell"
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    All I know is that god forbid if america was to have a civil war in this day and age the death toll would be in the tens of millions felt on both sides. With an outside shot of seeing a lot of places go up in a bright flash of light. But thats just me I tend to think the worst, that way when i wake up I can say "hey another day went by and we didn't blow ourselves to hell"
    It's a choice every person must make for him or her self...whether it is better to die on your feet, or live on your knees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    All I know is that god forbid if america was to have a civil war in this day and age the death toll would be in the tens of millions felt on both sides. With an outside shot of seeing a lot of places go up in a bright flash of light. But thats just me I tend to think the worst, that way when i wake up I can say "hey another day went by and we didn't blow ourselves to hell"
    The civil war idea is going a bit far, there are no lines drawn. Civil Unrest is more like it, with uprising to a logical entity protected by few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    You'd be a good writer for the back of book covers.
    lol, hope to actually write books themselves someday mate.

    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Not trying to start a flamewar, but perhaps loaning you come perspective for "other threads". Your entire post and proclaimed lifestyle is as Anti-Christian as you can get.

    Just sayin.
    Not true at all. Many Christians become soldiers, and thats the life they enjoy. When it was sword and shield if you didnt find enjoyment/excel in the field, you were returned home on top of your shield instead of carrying it.

    No where are we commanded to be panzies. That is just what has been taken and expanded upon, the reason we have denominations is because its our right to interpret it how it best allows us to serve. I commit no sin by fighting in a war, you know alot about the Bible dsade(even though your against it) remember the ban of the old testament and the command to wipe out the tribes(women and children included). So fighting is not that big of a negative IMO if its justified.

    I am much more liberal than most Christians, but not all. The old Christian way was having a revolver at your side, a noose in the middle of the city for hanging criminals, and a death penalty for most things And those were much better days with better people...Dont go by what the world has become. Just because I prefer not to close my eyes as a Christian anymore, and actually use them to witness reality, doesnt mean I am not Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    All I know is that god forbid if america was to have a civil war in this day and age the death toll would be in the tens of millions felt on both sides. With an outside shot of seeing a lot of places go up in a bright flash of light. But thats just me I tend to think the worst, that way when i wake up I can say "hey another day went by and we didn't blow ourselves to hell"
    Almost every marine I talk to says when a civil war comes, they are ditching the govt. And none of the airbases here in America are hard to overrun IMO save for the ones with nukes capabilities. All the air guard people I talked to (who have no real weapons training or fighting abilities btw) believe they will never see action and there will never be a civil war. The army is easily half of em would take on this government in a heartbeat. There would be very little to no military resistance. And you better believe the likelihood of nukes going off is not as good as you think. And if a nuke is launched, we will win the war guaranteed because the government would never be forgiven, even other nations would stand up against it.

    Hell, we might even be able to get some nukes ourselves. Launching em will be hard as hell though.

    80% of the military is pissed off, the other 20% are the higher officers lol(just a joke)

    A good chunk of people in the military are in for college/finances. So they would not turn on a brother/sister/mother/father
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    lol, hope to actually write books themselves someday mate.



    Not true at all. Many Christians become soldiers, and thats the life they enjoy. When it was sword and shield if you didnt find enjoyment/excel in the field, you were returned home on top of your shield instead of carrying it.

    No where are we commanded to be panzies. That is just what has been taken and expanded upon, the reason we have denominations is because its our right to interpret it how it best allows us to serve. I commit no sin by fighting in a war, you know alot about the Bible dsade(even though your against it) remember the ban of the old testament and the command to wipe out the tribes(women and children included). So fighting is not that big of a negative IMO if its justified.

    I am much more liberal than most Christians, but not all. The old Christian way was having a revolver at your side, a noose in the middle of the city for hanging criminals, and a death penalty for most things And those were much better days with better people...Dont go by what the world has become. Just because I prefer not to close my eyes as a Christian anymore, and actually use them to witness reality, doesnt mean I am not Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Almost every marine I talk to says when a civil war comes, they are ditching the govt. And none of the airbases here in America are hard to overrun IMO save for the ones with nukes capabilities. All the air guard people I talked to (who have no real weapons training or fighting abilities btw) believe they will never see action and there will never be a civil war. The army is easily half of em would take on this government in a heartbeat. There would be very little to no military resistance. And you better believe the likelihood of nukes going off is not as good as you think. And if a nuke is launched, we will win the war guaranteed because the government would never be forgiven, even other nations would stand up against it.

    Hell, we might even be able to get some nukes ourselves. Launching em will be hard as hell though.
    **** if its that easy how bout we all meet sat night and take down the government then afterwards we'll hit the clubs drinks on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    Cool next time someone steals a protein bar from me I'm gunna bust a cap in their ass.
    I see no issue with that they wont be stealing much anymore will they?

    The lack of harsh results for most criminal acts instills a wide base of acceptance that certain criminal things are ok. Maybe no shoot anyone over a protien bar. lol. But have 2 guys hold his arms and give the thief a good blow to the sternum and let him know why.
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