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Hey maybe its a political statement about how is is frying our economy?I had to google it. Someone actually named two fried chicken joints in NYC 'Obama Fried Chicken'.
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Yep. Google helped me out again.Terrorist food.
GICH!
Oh man...great call. $5 for a plate full of delicious "chicken" and "lamb"...the colon cleanse that happens 15 minutes later comes free of charge. :toilet:I bet you're dying for that Halal food
You've got to be ****ing kidding me? 6 months in office and he already gets schools named after him......:dunno::lol5:
Well there are some schools already being named after him.
No, actually nothing like bush. And to hear that from an Obama voter, a voter for change, where what we've seen instead is a recycled clinton administration with the added bonus of Obama also refusing transparency, and keeping in place executive orders that HE without congress can overturn such as warrantless wiretapping, and refusing to make white house visitor logs public. He and his advertising and infomercials just snowed you like most of the other people.People didnt like what McCain/Palin stood for...more of the same from Bush.
Wrong. Also, how did you all arrive at the fact that these places are named after the POTUS? He's not the only person in the world with that name.I am just saying he was elected thanks to Bush and being black, not because of his offerings.
Your statements regarding the Pres. CLEARLY show how this statement is a lie and you do, in fact, care that he is "a certain ethnicity."dont care if hee is black, white, red, blue, or invisible as long as he does the job good.
Not true. I dont care how the ending is, I care about the path taken to get there.Your statements regarding the Pres. CLEARLY show how this statement is a lie and you do, in fact, care that he is "a certain ethnicity."
So you're not a racist because you are attracted to black women? Your points are valid because you asked black people questions about their votes? C'mon man. You can't be serious. Then again, sadly, I get the feeling you are. You're the one who keeps pointing out the fact that he's black. Blacks weren't the only ones who voted for him. Remember, Blacks are a minority and if you can't see how that would inspire pride and happiness among the black community, there's something wrong with you.Not true. I dont care how the ending is, I care about the path taken to get there.
Honestly anyone who knows me knows I am not racist, I am even attracted to a good number of African American women. Race is not an issue.
Its just this presidency worked out as a default due to multiple conditions.
Personally I could see the guy doing some good, unless he tries to unite us with the rest of the world with one governmental body, I dont have too many problems with him. He tries that....then he is technically evil.
Honestly alot of blacks I asked who voted for him acted like "Yeah we gotta stick together with fellow blacks" with no political understanding. And the few who provided political reasoning's and an understanding of their votes actually didn't vote for obama.
He is a "social war hero" to them. To me he is a guy who has one of the worst jobs in the world anymore, and needs to fix this country. But if he was half as intelligent as he claims, he woulda stopped the borrowing of all that money.
Also, where the hell is his birth certificate? He has NEVER showed it yet? Thats the kinda stuff I care about.
Also now, anytime you crack on the president, or make a comment about not liking him, you are "Racist" by default. Another birthing of our ignorant society.
Do you know how many conservatives vote CONSERVATIVE just because the person claims to be without investigating much. There are alot of ignorant people like that and its sad. People will vote one party ticket without having the facts.Not true. I dont care how the ending is, I care about the path taken to get there.
Honestly anyone who knows me knows I am not racist, I am even attracted to a good number of African American women. Race is not an issue.
Its just this presidency worked out as a default due to multiple conditions.
Personally I could see the guy doing some good, unless he tries to unite us with the rest of the world with one governmental body, I dont have too many problems with him. He tries that....then he is technically evil.
Honestly alot of blacks I asked who voted for him acted like "Yeah we gotta stick together with fellow blacks" with no political understanding. And the few who provided political reasoning's and an understanding of their votes actually didn't vote for obama.
He is a "social war hero" to them. To me he is a guy who has one of the worst jobs in the world anymore, and needs to fix this country. But if he was half as intelligent as he claims, he woulda stopped the borrowing of all that money.
Also, where the hell is his birth certificate? He has NEVER showed it yet? Thats the kinda stuff I care about.
Also now, anytime you crack on the president, or make a comment about not liking him, you are "Racist" by default. Another birthing of our ignorant society.
We had a strong economy under Clinton as we were seeing the effects of the Reagan years come to fruition, the same as the Bush years look bad due to things Clinton did. You realize that say with a tax law change made this year, it goes into effect next year, and doesn't show its true real costs/changes for at least 3-4 more years? And then for businesses attaining more growth it can add another year or two to that for them to have had more money in their budget long enough to affect hiring, etc? It takes that long just for people / businesses / accountants to make planning changes based on what is more advantageous, and put those plans into effect. So a large part of our financial meltdown is thanks to Clinton. But just as a majority of Obama voters didn't know which party was in control of congress, i'm sure an even larger percentage of them don't realize something as basically boiled into US economics as the lagtime.And to the other guy, I am fine with a rehashed Clinton era because we had a strong economy then. I didn't vote for Clinton but I cant deny the country was better off. And I WAS a Republican. I jumped ship 3 years ago.
Why is proving your citizenship as it is a requirement of the job such a terrible thing? If you applied to be a truck driver, you'd have to show the driver's license. Being president requires being a natural born US citizen, Schwarzenneger isn't able to run as he was a naturalized citizen.Would you show your birth certificate just to quiet some allegations or just not dinify them because they are so lame.
Clinton sold off all our steel rights if I remember correctly.....technically he set us up to be rapedWrong. Also, how did you all arrive at the fact that these places are named after the POTUS? He's not the only person in the world with that name.
Your statements regarding the Pres. CLEARLY show how this statement is a lie and you do, in fact, care that he is "a certain ethnicity."
What?! This is gibberish.And yeah if I was racist, I wouldn't be able to marry someone of that race would I? It wouldn't make sense, now would it? Hey honey I hate you and your people!!!! WERE PERFECT! wtf? :hitit:
And I'm telling you, for the second time now, that you're wrong. You CANNOT prove that so this will continue ad infinitum/nauseum. It's your thinking that you have everything figured out that makes you seem ignorant. But fear not, I said alot of dumb **** when I was your age, too.any rate, I bring up being black because played a major role in this election.
That isnt gibberish, its a statement that could would represent a racist in marriage like that.What?! This is gibberish.
And I'm telling you, for the second time now, that you're wrong. You CANNOT prove that so this will continue ad infinitum/nauseum. It's your thinking that you have everything figured out that makes you seem ignorant. But fear not, I said alot of dumb **** when I was your age, too.
I am sure he has a birth certificate. More bs circulating just like him being a Muslim.Why is proving your citizenship as it is a requirement of the job such a terrible thing? If you applied to be a truck driver, you'd have to show the driver's license. Being president requires being a natural born US citizen, Schwarzenneger isn't able to run as he was a naturalized citizen.
You are sure he has one, yet if you apply for a job you need to actually show yours, or other proof of his citizenship. I'm not sure why you are so vehement against him as president having to comply with at least the minimal rules that the rest of us have to.I am sure he has a birth certificate. More bs circulating just like him being a Muslim.
Who said I blame Obama for where we are now?:crazy: Its far more Clinton's fault. I am only blaming Obama for working hard at driving up the deficit faster and faster rather than realizing you can't spend your way out of any financial crunch when your spending is deficit spending. We won't begin to reap the ****ing we're getting from Obama's poor decisions till at least 2013-2015. We'll likely see staglfation then, or possibly plain ole spiraling inflation. Yet with the goobers like Geithner in charge, the fed won't have raised its rates by then because they'll be trying to "stimulate the economy" all the way till then so then there will be nothing they can do to clamp down on the inflation. Which comically may not be all bad, so long as it stays in the 5-10% a year range.And you say the economy was from Reagan and yet everyone now blames Obama. So are you going to say the economy is Bush's fault? YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. So when its a great financial time its from the Republicans and when its not its from Democrats? That is very illogical.
WITH the cost of the war, all 8 years totaled of Bush's presidency still had a lower deficit in total than the first year of Obamas. Keep in mind that I don't feel that any president since Lincoln has done all that great a job budgetarily, but that McCain would have done far more to stem the tide of government waste, where Obama is aggressively working towards increasing government waste. To me as well as most people, government spending = government waste as our government has proven one thing repetitively - it is incapable of using its income responsibly, and will waste a significant fraction of what its given without even realizing its wasting it. A perfect example is the universal healthcare coverage. The cost estimates are ranging from 7000-10000 per person covered per year. I pay (including employer paid portion) less than that to cover a family of 5.Yeah but this "war" had an immediate effect and has bled us completely dry in addition to the financial problems caused by previous administrations.
http://www.costofwar.com/
See thats such a nice tactic. Call it "non-issue" to try and lower its impact, and yes I do think his background wasn't checked out extensively, and that he asked for and relied on privacy to keep things hidden. We're not talking about "publicly jumping through hoops", we're talking about displaying one document, or allowing the hospital where he states he was born to make an official statement. Given HIPAA privacy laws they can't. Again, his narrative was so strong, his story so compelling to some that people are totally willing to accept things from him and blow off any questions as irrelevant. Again, had he produced documents proving this as a part of public record as ALL employees in the US have to do on an I-9 form, then "that nonsense" would have had an easy response and people wouldn't still be asking it. Look at all the items that were frozen and made private that were previously public in his and Michelle's history during the run up to the election. Yet people still believe in a "new, more transparent government" because again the narrative is so pretty.And as far as this non-issue with Obama's birth certificate, do you really think his background wasn't checked out extensively? He's just not publicly jumping through the hoops and justifying that nonsense with a response. I wouldn't have, either. He has important business that needs tending to.
you mean important business likeHe's just not publicly jumping through the hoops and justifying that nonsense with a response. I wouldn't have, either. He has important business that needs tending to.
?Obama aide: President has written Jackson family
WASHINGTON – A top White House adviser says President Barack Obama has written a private letter to Michael Jackson's family.
David Axelrod says Obama expressed condolences to the Jacksons. Michael Jackson died Thursday in Los Angeles.
The White House has said Obama saw the pop star as a spectacular performer whose life had sad and tragic aspects. Obama did not issue a statement following Jackson's death.
White House aides say there are no plans to release the letter to the public.
WITH the cost of the war, all 8 years totaled of Bush's presidency still had a lower deficit in total than the first year of Obamas.
Are you counting the inherited deficit PLUS the additional $$$ spent to try and stimulate the economy? Do you not agree that you have to spend $$$ to make $$$? Had Bush used a bit a foresight he may (or maybe not) have realized that starting this unnecessary war might not be the best thing to do at this stage of the game. Yeah maybe Clinton is part of the reason for all of the banking troubles but Bush didn't do 1 thing to make ANYTHING better or try to fix anything. Obama is trying to pick up the pieces and follow his plan to get things back on track down the road. It's far too early for ANYONE to say whether it is or isn't going to work.
And if you think that a man could rise to the Presidency without being thoroughly checked out to make sure he and everyone else are on the level, then I don't know what to say. The Patriot Act would've made it so that all of his records would've been accessed at some point or other so that the opposition could use anything negative they could find against him. But like I said, it is a non-issue because if it were not, you could be sure that he would be ordered to present this document which he has not been. The only reason it's still even being talked about is so that the sore-losers can have something else to whine about.
People and businesses spend money to make money, the government DOESNT. The government can only take money away from people, and then choose its own (guided largely by ideological elements) way to spend it in the hopes that the people and businesses they took the money away from make money in the end. It is NOT in any way shape or form the US Government's role to spend additional funds it doesn't have to try and stimulate the economy. Its no more sensible than you taking out a bank loan to go to the horse track with. And if you find that too cynical, replace "going to the horse track" with speculating in real estate. Again, do the actual math. Obama's goal was to with 800 billion in spending "create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next 3 years". that equals a cost of $228,000 per job. What do you think it would cost you to create a 30k a year job, even including full pay for 3 years? 150k? Had Obama's plan been to distribute $40k a piece to 10 million randomly selected people who paid federal taxes in 2007 (at half the cost of the stimulus bill) I would be far more behind it as it would actually have visible impact, and had FAST visible impact, and not spent half the money in bureaucrazy waste.Are you counting the inherited deficit PLUS the additional $$$ spent to try and stimulate the economy? Do you not agree that you have to spend $$$ to make $$$?
People and businesses spend money to make money, the government DOESNT. The government can only take money away from people, and then choose its own (guided largely by ideological elements) way to spend it in the hopes that the people and businesses they took the money away from make money in the end. It is NOT in any way shape or form the US Government's role to spend additional funds it doesn't have to try and stimulate the economy. Its no more sensible than you taking out a bank loan to go to the horse track with. And if you find that too cynical, replace "going to the horse track" with speculating in real estate. Again, do the actual math. Obama's goal was to with 800 billion in spending "create or save 3.5 million jobs over the next 3 years". that equals a cost of $228,000 per job. What do you think it would cost you to create a 30k a year job, even including full pay for 3 years? 150k? Had Obama's plan been to distribute $40k a piece to 10 million randomly selected people who paid federal taxes in 2007 (at half the cost of the stimulus bill) I would be far more behind it as it would actually have visible impact, and had FAST visible impact, and not spent half the money in bureaucrazy waste.
Wrong. They stated with their plan unemployment would top out at 8%. We are now at 9.4%. They admitted it didn't work and now there is talk of another one.Obama is trying to pick up the pieces and follow his plan to get things back on track down the road. It's far too early for ANYONE to say whether it is or isn't going to work.
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It was called the tech boom. It burst and millions of people saw their 401k and retirement crumble only to be built up again with the housing boom and 52 straight months of job growth under Bush. That burst. The cycle repeats.And to the other guy, I am fine with a rehashed Clinton era because we had a strong economy then. I didn't vote for Clinton but I cant deny the country was better off. And I WAS a Republican. I jumped ship 3 years ago.
Damn man. Has the motto of this site changed from "Learn Lead Teach" to "Condescend, Mock and Insult" ? Easy LOVES to call people idiots and not even he went there. Although I KNOW he was thinking it! LOL. I'm eager to learn and see other sides of the argument if valid points are made. I'll be the first to admit that my area of expertise is NOT economics or finance but I'm no rube, either. I know we're better than petty insults. Aren't we?Math and sheep don't mix.
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