Baseball Thread 2009
- 07-17-2009, 04:33 PM
- 07-17-2009, 04:45 PM
07-17-2009, 04:52 PM
As of right now I'd throw Fielder's hat into the ring, but Howard and Pujols have already been somewhat battle-tested.
07-17-2009, 05:38 PM
07-17-2009, 05:48 PM
Yeah...it sucks that Gay-Rod will probably be the next 700 guy. Hope Pujols can keep his career on track. We'll all be able to say we've seen "the greatest there ever was"...
Unreal. If he can keep it up, my statement above might just pan out to be true.
07-17-2009, 05:56 PM
07-17-2009, 05:57 PM
07-17-2009, 06:00 PM
Not to take anything away from Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Ted Williams, Jimmy Foxx, Barroid* or any of the other guys who might lay claim to the "Best Ever" throne......but this Pujols cat came right outta the gate his rookie year mashing and he hasn't missed a beat since. Would be cool to see him continue to progress and get to the level of those all-timers.
07-17-2009, 06:09 PM
Absolutely. When you take in to account the differences as far as strength training, conditioning, etc between today's players and the legends, I don't think the two can be compared. Obviously there's no way to tell how much better they could've done if they'd had access to what today's players have, but you gotta think that if Babe or Willie had a team trainer that it would have made some kind of difference.
Hell, Babe Ruth used to slam hot dogs and beer before games then go out and hit 714 HR's. Those players were true grit and guts.
07-17-2009, 06:24 PM
While we're doing "what ifs" you've gotta wonder what the Babe's career would look like (and what all the record books might look like) if MLB was integrated with black and hispanic players back in those days.
07-17-2009, 08:20 PM
Agreed. Players like Satchel, Cool Papa Bell, Josh Gibson, etc really got hosed. There's no blacks or hispanics in the record books from that era simply because baseball wasn't integrated yet. No doubt the talent was there though.
07-19-2009, 09:07 PM
07-20-2009, 01:45 AM
Pretty much. Tearing my heart out, inch by inch, all summer.
So...........looks like Maurice Jones-Drew is creeping up pretty high on some fantasy draftboards. Interesting. Hope Brandon Jacobs can play all 16 this year.
07-20-2009, 03:46 AM
07-20-2009, 03:48 PM
I'd like to see these old great hitters hit in today's game.
Back then they didn't have 3 or 4 flame throwers coming out of the pen in the later innings. You faced the same tired pitcher the whole game, 4 or 5 at bats against the same guy.
Not to take anything away but it's a lot harder to hit in today's game I think. This is why you'll probably never see a .400 hitter or a triple crown winner again.
07-20-2009, 03:55 PM
Pujols has a decent shot at the Triple Crown, but the HR's and RBI might start slowing down as managers across the NL collectively pull their heads out of their asses and start walking him almost everytime...as they should.
I think there's something to what you were saying though. Baseball is such a technical game...things are so specific, that players/teams/coaches/etc are so much more specialized and advanced now.
07-20-2009, 03:58 PM
Word. And there are a lot of good hitters out there that for one guy to win each of those 3 categories is pretty damn hard.
Bonds walked over 200 times one year. I don't understand why they keep pitching to Pujols. He's that locked in this year.
07-20-2009, 04:00 PM
07-20-2009, 04:34 PM
I hate intentional walks across the board... pitch the damn ball, or pull up your panties and go home.
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07-20-2009, 04:41 PM
07-20-2009, 04:53 PM
07-20-2009, 04:54 PM
07-21-2009, 12:35 PM
I hated when they walked Bonds all the time.
However, it's the opposing managers job to win the game, not to entertain the fans and lose.
If Pujols gets walked a lot his average will stay high.
Bonds's average was .370 and .362 when he was walked 198 and 232 times respectively. Had he not been walked that much there's no way he would've finished with that average.
07-23-2009, 06:17 PM
I might as well be the first one to report on this. Mark Buehrle threw a perfect game against the Rays today. 27 hitters up, 27 hitters down. No walks, no hits, no runs.....perfect.
F*ck Mark Buehrle. I'll grant him that it's a historic event which rarely happens and is considered a crown jewel of a pitcher's career. However, I hate the Sh!te Sox and I hate their manager and I hate what they stand for. They're whole team is a bunch of thugs and their fans are thugs too.
There's no sour grapes here because it was against the Rays. Their offense just took a diarrhea today. Total butt-piss. They should've been able to get something off Buehrle because he's really NOT all that good. But today he was perfect.
07-23-2009, 06:22 PM
I'd take a guy like Buerhle anyday. Dude gives you 200+ innings every year, is 42 games over .500 for his career with a lifetime ERA of 3.78. 10 seasons played, 9 of them with a winning record. Not to mention the no-no AND the perfecto. Starting to amass quite the resume.
07-23-2009, 06:24 PM
Buehrle is a pretty solid pitcher... Not an overly dominant guy, but turns in solid season after solid season. I wouldn't mind him on my team.
07-23-2009, 06:26 PM
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