Strangest, Most bizarre thing I've heard to date...
03-16-2009 08:54 PM
Strangest, Most bizarre thing I've heard to date...
I've had a few people say that I had an advantage to building muscle because I was black. I told them that I didn't believe that because it sounded like garbage. It has much more to do with a persons workouts, diet and probably genetics. Every body is a tool- just depends on how you work it to get results. I was wondering what everyone else thought though. I've heard this from people of different races. Is it just a stereotype or does it actually have any validity to it?
03-16-2009 08:57 PM
Different races do have atributes that vary. Exceptions to every rule but you can pull regions of the world and see how the people vary in all shapes and sizes. Basic genetics play a big role in how big, fast and strong you can be.
03-16-2009 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by FincaChick
i've heard this plenty of times. some people believe that blacks have an advantage athletically. BTW you mentioned genetics, you being black is a part of your genetics
i dont really think much into the theory though...
However i think there may be some truth to the theory...here is my "dummy" assumption. Majority of american blacks are descendant of african slaves. I would assume when slaves were being collected in africa the stronger people were more likely to get drafted, on slave ships the stronger probably survived and the weaker probably died. Also, when slaves were living an procreating in this country i would assume the weaker blacks were more likely to get sick and die. I would guess that the stronger males and females were more likely to have children. Now many many many years later these "stonger" genetics are still around in this country.
but i dunno who knows....someone also told me black men on average have high testosterone levels
03-16-2009 10:09 PM
This is the most bizarre thing you heard? LOL You must live a sheltered life..
I am a believer in this, to a certain extent, for sure.
03-16-2009 10:16 PM
03-16-2009 10:22 PM
LOL. I meant in the past two days regarding working out and people offering me an opinion on why I train so hard when I never asked for it in the first place... You know those types.
Originally Posted by imprezivr6
03-16-2009 10:40 PM
Yes It is true that slave owners would mate the the stonger more athletic slavesto produce stronger children. Slave trading was a buisness and its no diffrent then dog breeding. Any one who trains dogs or breeds knows this. This is one of the issues people have with stem research and clonning. The Goverment knows about this stuff, they have there super soldiers and spys as well. Its all kept in the family. This is not just limited to physical traits either, it can be negative as well. Such as drug and drinking problems to a host of other things.
03-16-2009 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Rugger
03-17-2009 01:36 AM
A few ancient societies(though white in the cases im thinking of) kinda did things like this. The movie 300, there is some partial truth behind it. There were civilizations who would kill any weak in their society, or put people through trials that if they werent alpha material would die during them, or be banished for failure. It created a powerful race.
So the selective "breeding"(that sounds disgusting to say about a human...) idea of the slaves makes alot of sense.
I personally believe every race has attributes. I am in no way racist. But each race has its own advantages and disadvantages across its "average" line. But every race has every aspect covered to, its just the "line of averageness" i believe that can be noticed. Such as easier to build muscles for african americans.
03-17-2009 01:59 AM
Black? No. "West African", may hold some water. All of the fastest sprinters in the world are west African in descent and there are definitely some correlations between sprinting and bodybuilding as far as muscle development goes. But, as far as simply "black" is concerned there is definitely zero truth to that. When is the last time you saw a buff ethiopian?
However,the same can be said with whites. Look at eastern Europeans, Russians, etc. and compare them with the Spaniards and the French. They're typical build is much different and you'd be surprised to find out how many of the worlds top wrestlers and power lifters are of those heritages.
Now, having said all of that individual genetic variation is huge and is much bigger than inter-racial variation pretty much across the board so when it comes down to it nothing is because you are race ______, it is because you got those genes from somewhere (some races just might have those genes in higher frequency).
03-17-2009 03:50 AM
Exactly. Statistically, black guys may well have a higher average testosterone level. But it's a mistake to think that every single black guy has more testosterone than every single white guy.
Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
03-17-2009 12:04 PM
Training success has to do with a lot of factors, but discipline is by far the most important.
Genetics allow for certain advantages/disadvantages for sure. I happen to have long arms, and this gives me a disadvantage on movements like bench compared to someone with a more limited range of motion. Conversely my long arms give me an advantage over that same person when it comes to a movement like deadlifts. That being said, if I work harder and eat better than the guy with shorter arms at bench, I will catch up to and defeat his weight. Discipline
Now when two people with a good work ethic eat and train with the same dedication, genetics will determine who is better built and stronger, but this is certainly nothing to obsess over.
Sounds to me that some folks in your gym are just making excuses for themselves.
03-17-2009 12:26 PM
The metabolism of the average West-African descentdant is much faster than that of an American. It's all genetics. West-Africans also have larger nostrils and 15% larger lungs as well as a higher amount of free test and lower levels of mystatin than the average american. I do believe there is an advantage but it is not by a large margin.
I did read about a study that proved this. I'm trying to find it now.
03-17-2009 12:42 PM
03-18-2009 08:16 AM
There actually was a study a while back that said the average black male had 10lbs more muscle than the average white male. I don't believe it said anything about females.
03-18-2009 08:27 AM
Not precisely relatd, but one of my wife's friends gave birth to a child with Congenital Diaphragmatic Hernia (CDH). Its where part of the diaphragm is open and the other organs move into the space where the lungs would develop. Anyhow, the related piece is what the doctors at the neonatal intensive care unit said. Slightly paraphrased he said "Be thankful its a girl. Whenever we have a birth from another hospital being flown in, the first questions are sex and race. In order of likelyhood to survive intense neonatal issues its black females, hispanic females, white females, black males, hispanic males, white males."
03-18-2009 10:07 AM
You mentioned "genetics" having to do with it...
As mentioned before, West Africans are known for their strength and size, East Africans are known for their quickness, speed, and athletic performance in long duration runs.
Sprinters are usually West African, distance runners are East African. - This means that most of the good bodybuilding genetics will be West African.
You have more of an East African, lean and solid look. West Africans are usually very massy and shorter.
03-19-2009 01:05 PM
in my college bio class we were talkin about this,,,,,, BLACK ppl have more type 2 muscle fibers then white ppl
03-19-2009 01:07 PM
and u guys r also nitrix oxide deficined... at a older age
03-19-2009 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by FincaChick
not PROBABLY genetics...its ALL about Genetics. you basically answered your own question. some blacks do have very superior genetics, as do some whites, but it seems more common in blacks. diet and training will only get you so far...you should know that judging by it looks like u take working out very seriously. genetics holds the key to if your going to look like you want to, or not.
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