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Do any of you guys have insight on this? I'm looking into different career options with my degree and experience, and Blackwater looks like someone I would enjoy working for. I don't want a 9-5, and I'd love to have a job that allowed me to work abroad as I love world travel.

Any opinions, suggestions, knowledge, etc?
 
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Do any of you guys have insight on this? I'm looking into different career options with my degree and experience, and Blackwater looks like someone I would enjoy working for. I don't want a 9-5, and I'd love to have a job that allowed me to work abroad as I love world travel.

Any opinions, suggestions, knowledge, etc?

Arent all those guys like ex SEALs and rangers?
 
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Do any of you guys have insight on this? I'm looking into different career options with my degree and experience, and Blackwater looks like someone I would enjoy working for. I don't want a 9-5, and I'd love to have a job that allowed me to work abroad as I love world travel.

Any opinions, suggestions, knowledge, etc?
What is your background? It is difficult to get into blackwater unless you've got serious military experience.
 
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PSS/ Emergency Medical Technician - Intermediate (EMT I)
Qualifications:
1. Three (3) years U.S. Military Special Forces/Operations Medic experience. Experience can be gained in the employ of any Federal, State, Local or commercial entities providing high threat protective services.
2. Successful completion of State or National Registry EMT-Intermediate/85 written and practical examinations.
3. Submission of current approved CPR credentials for the professional rescuer.


Search and Rescue (SAR) Medic
Qualifications:
1. Three (3) years experience working at the EMT-Intermediate level or higher.
2. At least six (6) months of these years must have been working as a flight or SAR medic.
3a. Must have current EMT-I, ACLS, and BTLS, ITLS or PHTLS certifications.
OR
3b. Must have current EMT-P and ACLS certifications.



Interpreter/Translator (Arabic) Protective Security Specialist
Qualifications:
1. U.S. Citizen
2. Formal language training (2+/2+ or better) Arabic.
3. Completed or served at least three (3) years in the military, law enforcement, or protective security from the private sector.
- One (1) year, of the three, shall include experience in protective security assignments.
4. Experience can be gained in the employ of any Federal, State, Local or commercial entities providing high threat protective services.




Protective Security Specialist
Qualifications:
1. U.S. Citizen
2. Completed or served at least three (3) years in the military, law enforcement, or protective security from the private sector.
- One (1) year, of the three, shall include experience in protective security assignments.
3. Experience can be gained in the employ of any Federal, State, Local or commercial entities providing high threat protective services.




Designated Defensive Marksman (DDM)
Qualifications:
1. Three (3) years experience in defensive marksman skill sets to include;
(1) protective security advances and site assessments and
(2) Close Quarters Battle (CQB) techniques for clearing and occupying sites.
(3) Tactical firearms training,
(4) Sniper/Observer training, and
(5) high risk entry techniques.
2. Completed or served at least three (3) years in military, law enforcement, or executive commercial protection.
3. One (1) year of experience shall have been obtained in personal protection security assignments with demonstrated skill.
4. Three (3) years of training can be substituted for one (1) year of experience. A four (4) year degree may be substituted for one (1) year of training.
5. Experience can be gained in the employ of any Federal, State, or Local military or law enforcement agency or executive protection services with military, law enforcement or commercial entities.
6. Shall provide evidence of completion from an accredited Sniper School.




Mobile PSD Operations
Candidates must meet the following criteria:
1. Be former U.S. Military Personnel with a minimum of 8 years active duty. Service must have included a significant amount of experience in the Special Operations community.
AND
2. A minimum of 1 year experience having operated in a high threat environment.
AND
3. Significant experience having successfully provided protective services. Experience must include having conducted surveillance, detection, and counter-surveillance operations.
Candidates must be able to comply with the following standards:
4. Be a U.S. citizen
5. Be able to obtain a Secret Clearance - Be in good health and physically fit in order to pass a standard initial Physical Fitness test. 6. Be Proficient with M4 and GLOCK 9MM. Concealed carry experience required. - Must not have any felony, violent crimes, spouse or child abuse convictions. - Must not have any explained significant credit problems within the past seven (7) years - Must be able and willing to deploy austere and high threat environments.




K9, Explosive Detector Dog Handler
Qualifications:
1. U.S. Citizen
2. Completed a DOD (MWD) or Federal Law Enforcement K9 training curriculum and served at least three (3) years as a detector canine handler.
3. Experience can be gained in the employ of any Federal, State, Local or commercial entities providing high threat protective services.
4. Be able to obtain a Secret Clearance - Be in good health and physically fit in order to pass a standard initial Physical Fitness test. 5. Be Proficient with M4 and GLOCK 9MM. Concealed carry experience required. - Must not have any felony, violent crimes, spouse or child abuse convictions. - Must not have any explained significant credit problems within the past seven (7) years - Must be able and willing to deploy austere and high threat environments.





Law Enforcement PROFESSIONALS (LEP)
Blackwater Worldwide is seeking LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS (LEP); to support current contract BID; proven criminal investigators with extensive experience investigating traditional organized crime, terrorism, narcotics, and/or gangs. Complex investigative experience as a lead investigator, or case agent, and experience on a task force is desired.
LEP must have a Top Secret (TS/SCI) security clearance
The environment in Iraq and Afghanistan

Skill Set Criteria. LEP personnel will possess the following attributes:

Minimum of 10 years of law enforcement experience with a federal agency or major state/local law enforcement department.
A thorough understanding of criminal intelligence and networks including organized crime, gangs, drug organizations and/or public corruption.
Significant experience in investigations, interviews and informant source development.
Ability to support and assist in the compilation and analysis of information regarding complex criminal investigations and recommend specific investigative directions based upon conclusions drawn from the analysis.
Ability to use link analysis, event flow analysis and activity charting to develop inferences about the intentions and vulnerabilities of criminal groups, their key individuals, their methods of operations and the extent of their criminal influence and scope; make recommendations for intelligence and data collection strategies.
Ability to use crime analysis techniques, statistical analysis and time series analysis to view, evaluate and draw conclusions regarding patterns of crime.
Ability to analyze the behavior and methods of criminals.
Ability to predict patterns and motives for behavior in certain demographic groups.
Ability to analyze event statistics to determine patterns and methods of criminal enterprise.
Ability to assess the responsiveness of aspects of the criminal enterprise to military operations or actions.
Ability to examine records and files to gather identifying data about suspects.
Ability to develop and maintain case files involving criminal events.
Capability to advise on the collection of evidence to determine criminal identity, networks and activities.
Ability to combine pieces of information to form general rules or conclusions (includes finding relationships among seemingly unrelated events).
Ability to analyze completed intelligence and operational reports to determine what additional information and investigative work is needed.
Capability to understand the implications of new information for both current and future problem solving and decision making.
Ability to perform duties of the other members of the analytical teams to include mobilizing to and from incident sites.


As you can see the experience required varies based on the position but military background is a must.
 
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My business partner used to train a guy who was an ex Ranger....He had started a security agency that provided bodybuards to dignitaries and celebrities. They provided security to the Dhali Lama, the President of Guatamala, and a bunch of other high profile people...He eventually got out when he had to go to Israel and bring home the bodies of two of his employees who were killed by a car bomb...This guy is an absolute freaking Rambo...insanely nice, but has the ability to take himself to another place mentality if he has to...I literally am intrigued by some of the stories he has told me...

Good Luck if you opt to pursue this..

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Not all of the positions require extensive military training, but if I set my mind to doing one of the jobs that did, I'd have no problem going through with it. I have a friend who lives with a guy that works for Blackwater and he's an ex-Ranger, but was only in for 4 years.

I was looking mainly at the LEP or DDM.
 
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Best of luck to you.

My brother is a green beret and he just finished his sniper school training. He will probably end up going blackwater
 
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There are lower profile private security organizations you can go into that will train you even without military experience. I know of one that will train you, and send you to Iraq to protect private contractors working over there, pay is about 200-225K a year.
 

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Best of luck to you.

My brother is a green beret and he just finished his sniper school training. He will probably end up going blackwater
I wish I could pick his brain a little. Is he happy with his decision?
 

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There are lower profile private security organizations you can go into that will train you even without military experience. I know of one that will train you, and send you to Iraq to protect private contractors working over there, pay is about 200-225K a year.
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I actually have a BW school date in Sept. for both their firearms instructor program and their security detail.
 
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There are lower profile private security organizations you can go into that will train you even without military experience. I know of one that will train you, and send you to Iraq to protect private contractors working over there, pay is about 200-225K a year.
I'd have to question that price range because none of the other agencies will pay that much unless you're specially qualified for top tier stuff. I'd have to see proof for that kind of money being paid.
 
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Yeah. If you plan on working for any of them make sure you already have your passport.
 

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Yeah. If you plan on working for any of them make sure you already have your passport.
That will be a ways down the road I imagine unless I get involved with someone like who Zero is talking about, and I don't know who that is.

When talking to an Army recruiter on the phone earlier today he sounded so stoked that I actually worked out. Is there a plethora of fat-asses in the military these days?
 
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Depends, but your average kid wanting to join isn't in the greatest shape. I'd definitely go the military route first and get a career path that will allow you to do the things you want both in and out of the military.

If you're looking for overseas contracting with travel etc. my choices would be:

1. Infantry- Huge amounts of schools to get special training but be prepared to do a lot of dirty work. If you can go light and get ranger and/or Airborne in your contract.

2. Combat Engineer/EOD- You blow **** up and get a lot of specialized schools as well.

3. Medic- If you can stand dealing with lots of blood and ****, there's a lot of opportunity here

4. Communications- Huge amounts of money in this line but requires high levels of security to make the big money.

Above all: Keep your arrest record, driving record and credit clean.
 
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I will digg up that info, my guess about the pay would be it depends on how messed up of an assignment you get put on....I was planning on possibly doing it, but every one said it simply wasn't me. And there are needs for me around here. I was in the army for a spell. I recommend the army first personally, I would say though if your end goal is merc work, then do a 2 year active infantry or medic. and follow up with some private security small time work for a year or two. Think of it as college for the mercenary....Also, take classes on foreign languages. When I was in the army I qualified for the D-LAB, and then I showed I was very good at interpreting other languages I didn't even know... Probably coulda went somewhere with that....but guns are in the past, I carry a Bible now....

I am a crack shot....and love guns(redneck by birth)....but truth be told, its not me at all. Not that I would never join a military force should there be need. In such cases of a revolution or whatnot. Now which side I would be on???? I will leave that to your imaginations....but lets include a lack of politicians in those imaginations....

My army bud was talking about a couple B-Water guys who nailed 500g's in about 8 months. He also said the crap they did they wont forget, and that they were not ever doing it again.
 
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I wish I could pick his brain a little. Is he happy with his decision?
No offense at all, but if you have any hesitation about whether or not you want to try to get in to a special forces program, you will not make it. There's a reason why BUD/s, Q-course and EOD training have INSANELY high attrition rates.
 

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Usually I hate interfering with non diet/exercise posts, but I'll make an exception.


1-What experience or degree do you have?

2-If you want to work with one of the best PMCs in the world, you sound like you haven't done your research yet, there are hundreds of reliable sources out there that could've answered your questions, looking for "insight" is not bad and it's always encouraged, but you have to do your research, always seek out as much information as you can.

3- Army recruiters and all recruiters for that matter will be stoked you called :lol: NEVER believe anything a recruiter tells you, consider anything he promises as BS unless it's in writing and always double check everything he says.

4-I personally know a recruiter from L3 COM and my friend works for them, he's in Iraq right now and they offered me a job, if you have the right credentials or you want to talk to him I can give you his number, but check their website first and see if it answers your questions.

He's a linguist(my non-recruiter friend), but he's had his share of close calls, some interesting ****ing stories, be ready to die for your country, brothers, but it's always better to make 1000 from the other side die for their country.

Mercenaries fight for money, period, calling American servicemen and women mercenaries is calling them traitors, since a traitor will work for the highest bidder, they all work for the same people, for the same country, and they both die to get their job done, mercenaries have no nation and no loyalty, they answer only to money, far from American PMCs.

JayHawkk's advice is spot on, "Keep your arrest record, driving record and credit clean." be in good shape, mentally and physically and work hard.
 

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No offense at all, but if you have any hesitation about whether or not you want to try to get in to a special forces program, you will not make it. There's a reason why BUD/s, Q-course and EOD training have INSANELY high attrition rates.
I agree to a point, but there is nothing wrong with gathering as much info as he can, all in all, I have NEVER talked to someone in SOF who regretted it.
 
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I agree to a point, but there is nothing wrong with gathering as much info as he can, all in all, I have NEVER talked to someone in SOF who regretted it.
That's probably because the ones who are in didn't get weeded out and were there for the right reasons :thumbsup: . Cream of the crop, if you would.
 

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I'll admit that I haven't done a whole ton of research on it, which is why I'm not only reading as much as I can, but asking you guys for any advice or knowledge you may have.

I'm talking with the recruiter tomorrow. I'm well tuned in with people and when they are or aren't telling me the truth. I have no doubt I'll be able to easily discern what the guy is telling me. I'm going there to gain some extra knowledge on the Army and what they have to offer. I think if anything else, it will help point me in a career field I am interested in.

My degree is in Criminal Justice, and I also have about 30 credit hours of Financial and Business courses, and I'm about 6credit hours away from a minor in marketing. I'd love to let the Army pay for anymore schooling I decide to do.
 
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No offense at all, but if you have any hesitation about whether or not you want to try to get in to a special forces program, you will not make it. There's a reason why BUD/s, Q-course and EOD training have INSANELY high attrition rates.
There's a ton of reasons of why the drop out rates are so high. Physical and mental demand are high. Many people make it through to fail the psych eval. Some fail out because of numbers. The list goes on and on.

I also disagree about the hesitation issue. Anyone that doesn't hesitate without knowing what the hell they're getting into is an idiot. Why? Because, if you know nothing and are all ready for the job then you're probably in it for the wrong reasons. You need to know as much info as you possibly can prior to even applying for the job.
 
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Il'll tell you this much though; security means you are putting the guy's life you're protecting above your own. That means you're putting your body between the bullet and your boss. There's a reason why they always need people in these types of jobs. It takes a lot to realize your life is less important than someone else's. Most specialized units teach you how to avoid taking bullets and getting out of fatal funnels. This is the one job that tells you how to place yourself right in the middle of it.
 
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My friend just got out of the military and he immediatly went into some personal contracting business just checking ids at the gates in kuwait. he is currently making 80 gs a year tax free and if he decides to stay an extra year he gets a bonus. I believe he is going to stay there for like 3-4 yrs then come back to the states wit mad bank
 

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I looked into this when i first got out of the army. I was a scout for seven years and spent plenty of time in Iraq and afghanistan both. I had extensive training and worked with sf in afganistan for awhile. This was still when the war was booming, They wouldnt except my ap at pretty much any PMC company. Also BW got so many complaints they were kicked out of Iraq. PMC are now on the decrease because the war is winding way way down. Us forces dont really do much in iraq right now. So your chances are pretty much slim to none. I havent read all the post but dont know how much experience you have but if you were not in a Special forces unit your pretty much screwed. It was easy to get in 5 years ago with pretty much any combat experience. even MPs were being accepted. But now its a totaly different story. Besides they are sent in to clear routs with unhardened Ford f250s. They were being blown to **** for awhile. My bud just got back 6 months ago and said those guys were just getting in the way and cousing more causulties. He said the companies were trying to justify there exsitence by pulling crazy missions for no reason. ie clearing unrelated routs that no one needed to travel. But good luck. I suggest if you want to be hard core the army has a program for civilians to go SF now and the program has a 90 pass rate because SF is hurting for numbers because of th PMCs.
 
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If you join the Navy and your records clean and you score a descent asvab to join. You can apply for the Seals and you must pass a moderate physical/ fitness test. After completing Basic you will stay at Great Lakes and go to a prepatory school, Its brand new because the Navy is trying to increase there Special Forces. This school helps prepare the recruit for Buds, it also increases the sucess rate of people completeing Buds. They want more people to pass and not fail and this school is help. The Navy however will not make any exceptions when it comes to passing if you are off by 1 second in a run or obstacle or just come short in any way you will fail and go to your designated rate in the fleet. So if you signed in as a Boatswain Mate and fail. You will go to the fleet for your 5 year enlistment as a plain Boatswain mate. There are other programs. I joined wanting to go
SWCC, (Special Warfare Combat Crew) unfortunatly I was had a record and you have to be in the military 2-3 years after joining with a record before you can apply for Special Warfare programs. I nolonger want to go Special Forces due to building a family and nolonger choosing the Navy as a carear. How ever if that is what you want you just have to push for it and not give up. It will be one of the hardest things, maybe the hardest but in the end it will be worth it.
 
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I did 6 months of it a few years back, it was not terribly different than what I experienced in the Army. The company I was with was MVM and the office that recruited me was in NH; I am not sure where else they have offices.

If you want answers from the horse's mouth, so to speak, join the SOCNET forums. Just make sure to fill out your profile before you post, and be honest. Just like here on AM, use the Search feature first, and read until your eyes bleed, then and only then should you post a question. Just like AM we are full of people who don't bother to search before posting!

That said, IMHO Blackwater is the last contractor I'd want to work for. There are much better outfits out there, including a recent startup by two legendary guys, a friend of mine is already overseas with them. That company is sure to be the best as far as equipment and training goes.

But if you haven't even enlisted yet, you have a long, LONG road ahead before you can even begin to look at a contractor.
 
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i have to agree

That said, IMHO Blackwater is the last contractor I'd want to work for. There are much better outfits out there, including a recent startup by two legendary guys, a friend of mine is already overseas with them. That company is sure to be the best as far as equipment and training goes.


Alot of people want to go to Black Water do to the Media but there are alot more Companies out there. Black Water is just one company the goverment contracts. There are even companies out there that other countries contract for alot more aggresive jobs. Research everything. Knowledge is Power.
 
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I'd have to question that price range because none of the other agencies will pay that much unless you're specially qualified for top tier stuff. I'd have to see proof for that kind of money being paid.
There wasnt one security detail person over in iraq that made less than that. I did a ton of convoys with the blackwater guys, and they ALL make BANK. AT LEAST 200K.

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Alot of people want to go to Black Water do to the Media but there are alot more Companies out there. Black Water is just one company the goverment contracts. There are even companies out there that other countries contract for alot more aggresive jobs. Research everything. Knowledge is Power.
Sadly I think you are correct, it's the name/notoriety that draws people.

I'd love to recommend that new outfit I mentioned, but I think it's still hush-hush; those in the know will know what kind of a company The Purd and Bobby can put together :thumbsup:
 
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ive been wanting to do this forever if you know a place that trains you id love to. I have military experience but not combat and only minor weapons (m16 in boot camp lol) If i was qualified and single fcuk yeah i wouldnt think twice. Gotta live it up while you can! Take the risk and bring home the bank or like 50 said "get rich or die trying"
 
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Pistonpump as someone has already said...the market is huge right now, the companies are all over the place and if you are serious enough you will find them with ease.

And if you are especially good enough, they will find you...

BTW what was your MOS? Different skills are in different levels of demand all around the world, it's just a matter of finding the right company that fits your needs. You probably won't "get rich" if you do not have a special background, however I've known guys who went over as contractors with just a logistics background and loved their experiences.
 
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A lot of what people report as income is what they would make IF they worked a full 12 months based off their monthly earnings and IF they are over there when Holidays land. Listening to what people say they earn versus what they actually earn are a couple of different beasts.

Us forces dont really do much in iraq right now. So your chances are pretty much slim to none. I havent read all the post but dont know how much experience you have but if you were not in a Special forces unit your pretty much screwed. It was easy to get in 5 years ago with pretty much any combat experience. even MPs were being accepted.
First, try not to contribute to a conversation if you're not even going to read a full page of posts. Second, you're full of **** and do not have a clue on what you're talking about. Especially about the 'even mp's are being accepted'. Many of the schools the mp's have access to make them very good candidates for these contractor jobs.

There's a ton of misinformation in this thread.
 
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Pistonpump as someone has already said...the market is huge right now, the companies are all over the place and if you are serious enough you will find them with ease.

And if you are especially good enough, they will find you...

BTW what was your MOS? Different skills are in different levels of demand all around the world, it's just a matter of finding the right company that fits your needs. You probably won't "get rich" if you do not have a special background, however I've known guys who went over as contractors with just a logistics background and loved their experiences.
i was an avionics technician for fighter planes, USAF. Im in it for the money and id like to live dangerously.
 

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After spending lots of time researching, talking to recruiters, talking to friends in the AF/Army, etc., I've decided on USAF Air Combat Control. Where that will lead I don't know; whether it's more time in the AF, working civilian or working for a private military company.

From what I can tell and what I've heard and see, the AF treats you the best and actually cares about your well-being. It seems like in the Army (I was looking at Green Berets), you're just a grunt trained to kill. I like all the aspects of combat control.
 
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CCT is the airforce's Rangers. Great way to go and your post military career will be wide open. Not an easy field by any means though so make sure you know what you're getting in to.
 
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Sadly I think you are correct, it's the name/notoriety that draws people.

I'd love to recommend that new outfit I mentioned, but I think it's still hush-hush; those in the know will know what kind of a company The Purd and Bobby can put together :thumbsup:
It wouldn't happen to be these guys would it?



*Okay, I failed at that one.
 

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I qualify for delayed deployment because of this upcoming school semester, so I wouldn't be leaving until January. That gives me a lot of time to make sure I'm in perfect physical shape before I leave for any type of training.
 
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I qualify for delayed deployment because of this upcoming school semester, so I wouldn't be leaving until January. That gives me a lot of time to make sure I'm in perfect physical shape before I leave for any type of training.

Just remember if you flop out (a lot of candidates do) you'll be shuffled back into the mix and will be a regular Airmen. Oh well, maybe you'll join Security Forces and write speeding tickets on base :thumbsup:
 
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learn to walk before you run...

First, try not to contribute to a conversation if you're not even going to read a full page of posts. Second, you're full of **** and do not have a clue on what you're talking about. Especially about the 'even mp's are being accepted'. Many of the schools the mp's have access to make them very good candidates for these contractor jobs.
There's a ton of misinformation in this thread.

Misinformation definitly- I'm in the Navy and my command sends MA's to Black Water for there SWAT class. They are only using them because its contracted right now and its close to my command. The military uses contractors to train alot of guys in certain fields. As we like to call them Civilians, and most of the civilians are either prior or retired military. I agree and I'll rep you for that.
 
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Rugger I don't get annoyed too easily but the only thing you've added to this thread is telling the OP that he'll basically fail at aything he's mentioned so far. Not sure what your issue is with him or his career choices but it really isn't appreciated and even if he were to fail out and become a "regular Airman" I can think of a worse career paths than serving your country through a military branch... even if he were to be writing speeding tickets on base.
 
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Strange you went from contracting to actually enlisting. I actually tried out for Combat Controller while at bootcamp. The AF has SERE, CC, and Pararescue. I thought it would be a good way for me to get away from the dorm and the Training Instructor and have a swim, boy was i wrong lol. Got there and was handed a speedo....to late to back out. The speedo was small and my sack kept coming out hahahha. To make things worse they packed everyone in the pool shoulder to shoulder so when we got swimming you were just getting hit in the face and water was splashin all over, I did 3 laps and called it quits. That was the first step. Do alot of running, swimming, and bodyweight excercises to prepare. Good luck to you if you go thru with it.
 

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Strange you went from contracting to actually enlisting. I actually tried out for Combat Controller while at bootcamp. The AF has SERE, CC, and Pararescue. I thought it would be a good way for me to get away from the dorm and the Training Instructor and have a swim, boy was i wrong lol. Got there and was handed a speedo....to late to back out. The speedo was small and my sack kept coming out hahahha. To make things worse they packed everyone in the pool shoulder to shoulder so when we got swimming you were just getting hit in the face and water was splashin all over, I did 3 laps and called it quits. That was the first step. Do alot of running, swimming, and bodyweight excercises to prepare. Good luck to you if you go thru with it.

That's good advice. Swimming was definitely something I knew I was going to have to work on, as well as distance running. Fortunately I have some time to really get in top shape before I go. Hopefully my body can hold my endurance levels and at least some of my muscle mass through basic training.
 
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That's good advice. Swimming was definitely something I knew I was going to have to work on, as well as distance running. Fortunately I have some time to really get in top shape before I go. Hopefully my body can hold my endurance levels and at least some of my muscle mass through basic training.
I would definitely recommend focusing your attention towards improving your cardiovascular endurance over maintaining or increasing muscle mass. It'll definitely benefit you in the long run, considering what you want to do.
 

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I would definitely recommend focusing your attention towards improving your cardiovascular endurance over maintaining or increasing muscle mass. It'll definitely benefit you in the long run, considering what you want to do.
Ya, I'm already planning on this. As soon as I'm done logging the LG products for them, I'm going to pick up some Cordygen5 and really start getting involved with bodyweight exercises and endurance activity. I have a buddy that lives around here that used to be a real competitive swimmer which I need work with and he already said he'd help train me for that. He's in the AF and knows what I need to do. It feels good to actually have a fitness goal rather than just trying to "get huge".
 
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Rugger I don't get annoyed too easily but the only thing you've added to this thread is telling the OP that he'll basically fail at aything he's mentioned so far. Not sure what your issue is with him or his career choices but it really isn't appreciated and even if he were to fail out and become a "regular Airman" I can think of a worse career paths than serving your country through a military branch... even if he were to be writing speeding tickets on base.
I'm being realistic. There's nothing wrong with that. Cannon started this thread days ago and is already talking about enlisting. There's nothing wrong with reminding someone of what will happen if they fail. Those things need to be taken into account also. And yes, if he fails he will be just an Airmen. Why is that relevant? Well because he is wanting to join afsoc, which means he likes that kind of work. If he doesn't make it he might be stuck doing something he hates. This needs to be taken into account. In that regard the Army or marine corp might be a better fit for him because if something happens and he doesn't complete the training he would still have a chance to shoot something other than an m16 once a year.

Sometimes the best support is an awakening to reality. I never once said he wouldn't make it and never once said he shouldn't try. Someone in here said he needs to know anything about everything before signing the line. Well, I'm reminding him of the what happens if he fails, WHICH IS VERY REAL. Not considering what happens after washout would be both stupid and irresponsible.
 

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I'm being realistic. There's nothing wrong with that. Cannon started this thread days ago and is already talking about enlisting. There's nothing wrong with reminding someone of what will happen if they fail. Those things need to be taken into account also. And yes, if he fails he will be just an Airmen. Why is that relevant? Well because he is wanting to join afsoc, which means he likes that kind of work. If he doesn't make it he might be stuck doing something he hates. This needs to be taken into account. In that regard the Army or marine corp might be a better fit for him because if something happens and he doesn't complete the training he would still have a chance to shoot something other than an m16 once a year.

Sometimes the best support is an awakening to reality. I never once said he wouldn't make it and never once said he shouldn't try. Someone in here said he needs to know anything about everything before signing the line. Well, I'm reminding him of the what happens if he fails, WHICH IS VERY REAL. Not considering what happens after washout would be both stupid and irresponsible.
The reason I'm going for AF over Army is the quality of life while in that particular branch. Army doesn't seem to treat the soldiers nearly as well as the AF. Outside of CCT there are still things I'd enjoy. SERE, Firefighting, EOD, etc. If I fail out of CCT then that would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world to me. As I've mentioned before, I have about 4 1/2 months to train for combat control. Swimming is the only thing I really need to step up. I could get down the running in that time. I've already dropped 50 lbs since last November. That will be make things much easier on myself.
 

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