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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Natty Test booster...it was primarily a few different herbal based designs we were looking at. At this point it's on the shelf as we like what we can do better with PCT-7, and Formedex-AI.
    Are these out yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF

    Are these out yet?
    I don't think so. If they are I haven't seen them at any online retailer I know.
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    Thx, I didn't think they were.
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    Androsterone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    19nor-androsterone
    So, you're going to make a 2-step dihydronadrolone PH? Now thats a change
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    So, you're going to make a 2-step dihydronadrolone PH? Now thats a change
    isnt the target hormone 19-nordehydrotestosterone. 30% weaker than test. already in decavol and androbulk, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasamoto View Post
    isnt the target hormone 19-nordehydrotestosterone. 30% weaker than test. already in decavol and androbulk, no?
    No, the target hormone is 19-nor testosterone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasamoto View Post
    isnt the target hormone 19-nordehydrotestosterone. 30% weaker than test. already in decavol and androbulk, no?
    The hormone present in Decavol and AlphaBulk is 19nor-dehydroepiandrosterone (19nor-DHEA for short), wich's target hormone sure is nandrolone. He said 19nor-androsterone, wich is a 5a-reduced version of the 19nor-DHEA stated above, wich implies that the target hormone 19nor-androsterone has is the 5a-reduced metabolite of nandrolone - dihydronandrolone - since 5a-reduction isn't a reversable pathway.
    Two close in name hormones (19nor-androsterone and 19nor-dehydroepiandrosterone) but not the same in the body
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    No, the target hormone is 19-nor testosterone.
    So what are we going to get? 19nor-androsterone or 19nor-DHEA?
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    This will probably sound like a nutty question, but since we're still on the subject of DHEA-isomer prohormones, would it be even remotely feasible to manufacture a DHEA prohormone to oxandrolone? On the Wikipedia page for Oxandrolone, it actually states that plain DHEA can undergo a lengthy and cumbersome conversion to oxandrolone, so I hoped that there might be a DHEA isomer out there that converts to oxandro. via a more efficient conversion pathway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    This will probably sound like a nutty question, but since we're still on the subject of DHEA-isomer prohormones, would it be even remotely feasible to manufacture a DHEA prohormone to oxandrolone? On the Wikipedia page for Oxandrolone, it actually states that plain DHEA can undergo a lengthy and cumbersome conversion to oxandrolone, so I hoped that there might be a DHEA isomer out there that converts to oxandro. via a more efficient conversion pathway.
    Technically it's a lot easier to do through androsterone since it's already 5a-reduced, but it will require two things that would make it non-DSHEA compliant: the subtitution of the 2nd carbon for an oxigen (the 2-oxo group you see in anavar's molecule structure) and the addition of a 17a-methyl group. All in all, a 1-step diol or dione (like 17α-methyl-2-oxo-5α-androstane-3,17-dione or 17a-methy-2-oxo-5a-androstane-3,17-diol) PH would be much easier to make, much more effective and just as legal as the androsterone related one
    In a short answer: no, you can't do a DSHEA compliant oxandrolone PH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Technically it's a lot easier to do through androsterone since it's already 5a-reduced, but it will require two things that would make it non-DSHEA compliant: the subtitution of the 2nd carbon for an oxigen (the 2-oxo group you see in anavar's molecule structure) and the addition of a 17a-methyl group. All in all, a 1-step diol or dione (like 17α-methyl-2-oxo-5α-androstane-3,17-dione or 17a-methy-2-oxo-5a-androstane-3,17-diol) PH would be much easier to make, much more effective and just as legal as the androsterone related one
    In a short answer: no, you can't do a DSHEA compliant oxandrolone PH
    Thanks for the info. I'm surprised that somebody hasn't already created an oxandrolone PH such as the diol/dione you referenced. A real-life ANAVAR PH?!?! LOL, I could see people going crazy over this one.

    Also, how about a methandrostenolone PH? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    Thanks for the info. I'm surprised that somebody hasn't already created an oxandrolone PH such as the diol/dione you referenced. A real-life ANAVAR PH?!?! LOL, I could see people going crazy over this one.

    Also, how about a methandrostenolone PH? LOL
    I think the same way, as far as the methandrostenolone (a.k.a. D-Bol) PH it is out there for quite a while, is usually reffered as M1,4-ADD.
    Other two that I'd like to see is a primobolan and a masteron PH, something like 1a-methyl-1-androstenediol or 2a-methyl-5a-androstanediol, now those would be sick ;P
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    I think it would be even better if someone could create unmethylated sublingual anavar and dbol PH's... now THOSE would sell! Just imagine being able to market anavar/dbol with the promise of zero liver-related side effects...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpicedCider View Post
    I think it would be even better if someone could create unmethylated sublingual anavar and dbol PH's... now THOSE would sell! Just imagine being able to market anavar/dbol with the promise of zero liver-related side effects...
    Hum, perhaps doing the same that has been done to winstrol and furazabol might do the trick: companies switched the 17a-methyl group for a tetrahydropyranol ester and sold them as a non-methyl oraly bioavailable option, although it was needed to high dose it that their respective methylated counterparts. Perhaps the ethylation might just be as effective or some other methyl groups, thinking of 13a,17a-diethyl-boldenone to replace d-bol or 7a-methyl-2-oxo-5a-androstrane-17b-ol-3-one for anavar
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    Yeah, you guys really have the hammer down right now. Good times! BR, what are you thoughts on running Bulk at a higher dose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Yeah, you guys really have the hammer down right now. Good times! BR, what are you thoughts on running Bulk at a higher dose?
    ^bump! I'd like to hear your opinion about it too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    ^bump! I'd like to hear your opinion about it too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    My sweet spot was 12 caps ed
    For a standalone run?
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    Yep
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Yep
    So...how is your cycle plan for an Alpha Bulk standalone run? What are the gains and the sides? And what kind of PCT do you take?

    (sorry for so many questions at the same time but I couldn't stop it )
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    2 bottles of Bulk which gives you a month and 2 days at 12 caps ed. I gained 6 lbs and there weren't any sides. PCT was clomid 50/20/20/20 with ReBoot. I plan on running it again soon but in a 6 week cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    2 bottles of Bulk which gives you a month and 2 days at 12 caps ed. I gained 6 lbs and there weren't any sides. PCT was clomid 50/20/20/20 with ReBoot. I plan on running it again soon but in a 6 week cycle.
    Have you (or anyone you know of) done the 12 Bulk ED + 12 Mass ED for 4-6 weeks or the "Alpha Stack" from this link anabolicminds.com/forum/forerunner-labs/181378-how-stack-forerunner.html ? I've been searching around and haven't found anyone who has done that yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    2 bottles of Bulk which gives you a month and 2 days at 12 caps ed. I gained 6 lbs and there weren't any sides. PCT was clomid 50/20/20/20 with ReBoot. I plan on running it again soon but in a 6 week cycle.
    Sweet! Sounds pretty good gains for a non-methyl in such short time Have you used an AI alongside the Alpha Bulk to prevent estrogen related sides or you just didn't felt like it needed one? Do you think that it's probably a good cycle to one get away with only OTC PCT or it really needs a serm?
    I know a place where they have a deal of 3 bottles of it for the price of 2-2,5, just pm me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broly View Post
    Sweet! Sounds pretty good gains for a non-methyl in such short time Have you used an AI alongside the Alpha Bulk to prevent estrogen related sides or you just didn't felt like it needed one? Do you think that it's probably a good cycle to one get away with only OTC PCT or it really needs a serm?
    I know a place where they have a deal of 3 bottles of it for the price of 2-2,5, just pm me
    With my age I need to serm in PCT. Younger aged people with a 4 week run could be fine with OTC PCT. The AI during was not a concern with me personally simply because I seem to have low estrogen levels naturally for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    With my age I need to serm in PCT. Younger aged people with a 4 week run could be fine with OTC PCT. The AI during was not a concern with me personally simply because I seem to have low estrogen levels naturally for some reason.
    I have 22 y/o so that makes me one of those young fellas I belive Nice, just asked because since it's a testosterone PH and test itself is used alongside an AI, but since you have no need for it it's kind of cool such cycle. Simple, light, effective and side-free
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    It's a mild cycle in comparison to others until you start going to 8-12 weeks with it. Then shutdown is a much bigger issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    It's a mild cycle in comparison to others until you start going to 8-12 weeks with it. Then shutdown is a much bigger issue.
    I've never done a cycle and I'm considering doing one in a near future. This one, more on the 6 weeks side than on the 4, seems very apealing for alot of reasons and since getting serms is a pretty difficult task for me the OTC way is, despite being more expensive, the only route I have and if this cycle fits for an OTC PCT it sure would be my first option of a first cycle. Since there isn't many people who have run Alpha Bulk as a standalone as you did any input you may give to all of us about it is pretty interesting
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    So do you feel that until the 6 week range the OTC PCT will be good, but if going to surpass that perhaps a SERM is necessary?
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    Broly,I just realized that you are only 22. I would give yourself a couple more years of natural lifting before jumping into the PH/DS arena. Get your meals and workout routine dialed in and consistent so that when/if you take the plunge you will fully benefit from them. Try out different supplements that you might be using in your PCT to see if in fact they will work for you and you will know how they feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Broly,I just realized that you are only 22. I would give yourself a couple more years of natural lifting before jumping into the PH/DS arena. Get your meals and workout routine dialed in and consistent so that when/if you take the plunge you will fully benefit from them. Try out different supplements that you might be using in your PCT to see if in fact they will work for you and you will know how they feel.
    Thanks in advance for the concern AZMIDLYF, I've been lifting for the last 6 years, sometimes in the gym others in conjunction with swimming. I've had a surgery due to a dislocated shoulder this july and been out of action untill mid september, and from then on I've gaining back my physical shape. I've tried at least 3 different supplements that one might use on PCT like Novedex XT (ATD+3-OHAT), Restore (6-bromo+methyl-bAT) and DAA (this one I found I can't use as it worsens my epilepsy causing me seizures). Now I have Erase on hand sitting there for the right time to use it (thinking on going with 2 caps per day for 45 days) and I'll see how it goes. I've been reading about the subject of PH/DS since 2007 so I'me pretty aware of the risks involved (that's the main reason why I've never done them), so with that in mind thanks for the advice and I'll wait for some more years untill I've reached a good base from where I can benefit more from their use
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    is 9 caps a day enough to counter SD's hit on letargy and libido?
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    Anyone done bloods on cycle to see how much does 4-DHEA increase testosterone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killler View Post
    Anyone done bloods on cycle to see how much does 4-DHEA increase testosterone?
    That would be very interesting.
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