Anavar or Winstrol

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  1. Anavar or Winstrol


    First ever cycle. Should I go with var or winni? Or both.

    Looking to lean out and gain muscle mass

    Pros and cons of each?


  2. 24 y/o
    147lbs
    5'6
    Been training for 5+ years
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  3. This should be in Anabolics.

    But anyway, why would you run either of those by themselves with no base??

    Are those your only options and can you get your hands on anything else?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by tsmog View Post
    This should be in Anabolics.

    But anyway, why would you run either of those by themselves with no base??
    Like I said, first ever cycle. Recommendations welcome
  5. Anavar or Winstrol


    Quote Originally Posted by tsmog View Post
    This should be in Anabolics.

    But anyway, why would you run either of those by themselves with no base??

    Are those your only options and can you get your hands on anything else?
    The username is amanda...maybe OP is a woman. Judging by those stats and the username im hoping thats the case.
    Training log:

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/267913-jswains-training-log.html
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by amandagam View Post
    Like I said, first ever cycle. Recommendations welcome
    Are you male?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jswain34 View Post
    The username is amanda...maybe OP is a woman. Judging by those stats and the username im hoping thats the case.
    Damn, you are right. Let's see

  8. Female hence the post in female fitness. Lol. I'm pretty aware that females don't need a base for var, correct?

  9. No, ladies don't. I know a few women who run Anavar between 5 and 10mg a day and you can run it between 8-12 weeks.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by tsmog View Post
    No, ladies don't. I know a few women who run Anavar between 5 and 10mg a day and you can run it between 8-12 weeks.
    That was the plan, but had someone mention/recommend winstrol and wanted to know what the difference between the two are. Have any idea?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by amandagam View Post
    That was the plan, but had someone mention/recommend winstrol and wanted to know what the difference between the two are. Have any idea?
    Some claim winstrol is more effective in adding lean muscle mass in women and less sides are experienced.

    But winstrol is pretty hard on the joints.

    I'd say go with the winstrol and start at a low dose, but it's up to you. Pick your poison.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by tsmog View Post
    Some claim winstrol is more effective in adding lean muscle mass in women and less sides are experienced.

    But winstrol is pretty hard on the joints.

    I'd say go with the winstrol and start at a low dose, but it's up to you. Pick your poison.
    Hahaha I mean they're both poison. Is it possible to do both at once? Or is that a horrible idea? Sorry for all the questions just curious. Or say start out with winstrol and then move onto var?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by amandagam View Post
    Hahaha I mean they're both poison. Is it possible to do both at once? Or is that a horrible idea? Sorry for all the questions just curious. Or say start out with winstrol and then move onto var?
    It's a bad idea. Since this is your first cycle, you don't know how your body will react to either compound. So it's best to choose one and start at a low dose.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by tsmog View Post
    It's a bad idea. Since this is your first cycle, you don't know how your body will react to either compound. So it's best to choose one and start at a low dose.
    Thank you

  15. I'd go with the Winni, as far as results/sides/cost combined are concerns.

  16. Don't waste time at 5mg to start Var, we usually don't see results until our ladies hits 10mg daily and have used as high as 20/30mg depending on which class and tolerance.

  17. Well, how many of you actually have seen what happens to women on Winny? Or test? Or anything?

    Anavar all the way, IMO. You can get plenty out of 10mg/day. If you need to do something more, take a fat burner of your choice. Intramuscular L-Carnitine and ATP is a very good option to help you get synergy from the Anavar and it's safe. I advise against Winny, but since we have 3-4 others who think otherwise, I expect you'll disregard my thoughts.

    Winny, at anything higher than a miniscule and nearly ineffective dose, will give virilization in many women after just 2-4 weeks of use. Also, without testing or having first hand experience on your Anavar, you are probably running Winny anyways so tread carefully. Unfortunately var is commonly faked more often than not. Test it please. I watched my wife jack her voice up permanently because she took something other than the advertised "anavar". This was primarily her fault though as I told her it would be stupid to continue given the risks associated. She didn't entirely listen to me until it was too late, not to mention, she was stacking Ostarine (which lets be honest, non of us really knows what these "SARMs" really are) with it for 5 or so days which didn't help anything. I later tested that Ostarine and it was Anadrol. Turns out, Anadrol by itself is quite tame in women in low doses (25mg/day or less). No sides to speak of - just ridiculous strength and muscle gains. She added 5lbs of muscle and burned 2lbs of fat with "Ostarine", 'cough cough' - Anadrol...in only 4 weeks. So, remember, you can re-comp very easily on Anadrol and honestly, it will give you a look that in my opinion is more desirable than Winny. You will lose fat and build muscle, feel good on it, be much stronger, have less sides, and actually spend less money than dabbling with Anavar and you at least know it isn't faked. My wife got lean and hard on it but she still kept some water on her and she looked like a female super-athlete, but not too manly. We're just talking about personal preferences now I guess...let's move on.

    In some women, it doesn't take much to start the virilization process. If you have a squeaky voice, it'll be the first to go (within days likely) of starting Winny, D-bol, Test, EQ, Mast and even higher doses of Anavar such as 20-30mg/day, especially if it's spiked with Winny or D-bol, which is common. I would run 10-20% of what men run as a rule of thumb on most drugs. The more androgenic it tends to be, the lower the percentage, with exception to DHT-based steroids like Winny and Mast. Those need to be on the lower side too because on paper they aren't very androgenic, but understand that those figures are just reflecting the strength of the signal it gives to the receptor, not necessarily reflecting what the message is.

    To give perspective on how little it takes to get results, I let my wife take Test-Prop @ 10mg X 2 per week. After 5 weeks we tested her hormones and she came back a whopping 399 total T. That's better than a typical 40-50 year old male and that figure is 8-10 times higher than what a healthy, blessed woman would have in testosterone levels naturally (high side for women is around 70). All this considered, she was taking roughly 6-8 times less than the recommended dose for men on TRT, which is considered a normal, healthy amount.

    I don't even think it is possible for us men to get 8-10 times higher in our T levels than what we are naturally. That'd be like having 6000-8000ng/dL of total T. Ridiculous!

    My advice, whatever you decide to do, is bail on the cycle as soon as you get a sore throat feeling. STOP. No, it's not a cold. No, it's not allergies. You have about 3-4 days before it becomes too late to change things. Stop it then and walk away.

    Another option could be H-Drol, if you just have to do something potent. They still sell it in Europe. Perhaps have it shipped over here, but know that it is a banned substance nonetheless. 25mg/day or less is decent in women. Does all the stuff that either of the other two do but comes on slower and gives you a chance to react to sides more effectively.

  18. It honestly depends on the female. One of my best friends is on week 8 of Winny at 5mg a day and no sides what so ever. And her voice is super high pitched as well. And it worked wonders for her. So honestly, it's based on genetic makeup. I also know girls that have used Winny that have had their voices starting to crack within 2 weeks of use, so it really depends.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by amandagam View Post
    First ever cycle. Should I go with var or winni? Or both.

    Looking to lean out and gain muscle mass

    Pros and cons of each?
    Anavar, 2.5 mg ED for 2 weeks, bump to 5 mg for 6 weeks. If your Var is legit, you don't need more than 5 mg/day.

    I'm not going to give you the pros and cons. One is a highly liver toxic, androgenic, joint-killing drug. And one is not.

    Don't be stupid.
    [X] Yes

  20. Var can do wonders if it's good quality. If it's good, then I don't see the point of doing more than 10mg daily.
    It all depends on your responsiveness. for me, I respond a lot with a little, but I know some women who run 30mg and seem to not change that much. They are either slow responders, or their product is junk.

    I would not do winni. it's harder on the joints, and is more aggressive. As a first timer, it's important to be able to control the look you want. if you were competing in physique and wanted a bigger look, ok, you run Winnie. For somebody wanting to lean out--the best bet is Var.

    Please know though, that if you have not experienced years of training and diet, if you are not advanced on those things, then taking Var would definitely be putting the cart before the horse. What I mean specifically is that you could wind up with a very blocky look, wind up putting on 10-15 pounds, etc. it's important to be closer to your ideal look to run it, and be in near peak condition.

    There are no shortcuts. Var is an enhancement. It's not going to allow you to cut many corners, and doing so could give you an opposite effect (bulky weight gain, for example), that can be harder to correct than basic weight loss and dropping a few points of bodyfat.

  21. I have run it twice, and now regret it. I was trying to put on some muscularity to compete. It did allow me some gains, but now I'm far heavier and having a hard time changing the look that I no longer want. It will not make you tight, lean and hard, unless you're doing it with a competition like diet. and in that case, if you're not going to compete, why take it anyway because like I mentioned earlier--could make you gain 10-15 pounds.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by tsmog View Post
    Some claim winstrol is more effective in adding lean muscle mass in women and less sides are experienced.

    But winstrol is pretty hard on the joints.

    I'd say go with the winstrol and start at a low dose, but it's up to you. Pick your poison.
    I agree with both being harsh on joints. I find that winstrol is harsher on joints than Anavar is.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by FitAngie View Post
    I agree with both being harsh on joints. I find that winstrol is harsher on joints than Anavar is.
    Var shouldn't be harsh on joints at all, it should be the opposite, as it increases the expression of procollagen types I and III. Type III is what repairs tendons.
    [X] Yes

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Spurfy View Post
    Var shouldn't be harsh on joints at all, it should be the opposite, as it increases the expression of procollagen types I and III. Type III is what repairs tendons.
    I was running both together so it must have been the winstrol then. Thank you for that information

  25. People stay going overboard on "drying out" when really the issue is they aren't lean enough. I've learned that 6% BF (a true 6%, not interwebz 6%) has no "wet" look to it in any version, morning, mid-day or end of day. You are just dry. Dry all day long because there isn't enough fat on the body to hold the water sub-q.

    Folks using winny and Letro together before they get on stage because the honest truth is they are too fat to bring a healthy, hydrated version of themselves on stage. Yep. I said it. Get lean and everything looks good on you even Anadrol.
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