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Old 11-16-2007, 06:36 PM   #1
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Back width and lower lats flar width

I dotn have any pictures and I might post some if I can find ideally what Im looking for.

Anyways Im doing a program that focuses on my back width

Some people say dont do wide grip; howvere since I stopped and changed to medium grip by back got smaller(at least in my mind) so Im doing Widegrip again

so for angel wings- Widegrip Pullups or chins(and medium grip) or pulldowns if the range of motion is great enough. I personally find pulling up or chinning more effective. The difference is chining is underrhand, Pullups are overhand

lower lats close grip pulldown or pullups

IFrank sane had this challange and Arnold recommended Barbell rows and Franks lower lats grow so Barbell rows

Wide grip cable rows

please add if you can contribute . Thanks
 
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:44 PM   #2
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T-Bar Rows with a v-handle and DB Rows help out as well. Pullovers are great for developing the lower lats and serratus as well.
 



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Old 11-17-2007, 01:45 AM   #3
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the best lat growth i've ever had was from DB ROWS
 
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:46 AM   #4
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the best lat growth i've ever had was from DB ROWS
I prefer DB Rows and T-Bar Rows to BB Rows, but they all should be used in any routine worth it's salt.
 



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Old 11-17-2007, 01:47 AM   #5
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yes they all are effective in different ways for best development. but i feel like i am cumming when i do db rows.
 
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:50 AM   #6
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yes they all are effective in different ways for best development. but i feel like i am cumming when i do db rows.
Yeah, I get a great pump from them, too.
 



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Old 11-17-2007, 12:40 PM   #7
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yes they all are effective in different ways for best development. but i feel like i am cumming when i do db rows.
Arnold Copycat-Just kidding

There was actually a study done that Db rows worked more back muscles than Barbell rows or T bar rows. I dont know where the study is but I saw it.
 
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Reverse grip (underhand) barbell rows.
 
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Reverse grip (underhand) barbell rows.
I'm a big fan of these. That's how I prefer to do my barbell rows most of the time.
 
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:41 AM   #10
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db rows are my favorites and if done correctly hit the whole lat, top to bottom. I dont do too much pulldowns besides my first excercise to get a good stretch, so i dont think are too big in the width department, even if thats what everyone says about pulldowns. I feel rows are better back builders than pulldowns.
 
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I'm a big fan of these. That's how I prefer to do my barbell rows most of the time.
I have small wrists, so I can't do these without a lot of pain. I have been hitting the DB rows really hard lately and can tell a difference. I think that these are one of the best exercises to use in a DC fashion.
 



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Yates Rows.

Incline Bench/Prone DB Rows.
 



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Here is a video

Click around 3:57 of the video and hit pause. See how the sweeping lats flarred out,insert into his lower back, making the front lat speak look incredible



This is a good image of the lats im looking for
 
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:09 AM   #14
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Here is a video

Click around 3:57 of the video and hit pause. See how the sweeping lats flarred out,insert into his lower back, making the front lat speak look incredible



This is a good image of the lats im looking for
i cant see the vid but i must say if you dont have the genetic build youll have a hard time getting lower lat width. Its genetic to have really low swept lats...good luck.
 
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