Maybe NOT eating meat is bad for you

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    Maybe NOT eating meat is bad for you


    Population-based studies have consistently shown that our diet has an influence on health. Therefore, the aim of our study was to analyze differences between different dietary habit groups in terms of health-related variables. The sample used for this cross-sectional study was taken from the Austrian Health Interview Survey AT-HIS 2006/07. In a first step, subjects were matched according to their age, sex, and socioeconomic status (SES). After matching, the total number of subjects included in the analysis was 1320 (N = 330 for each form of diet – vegetarian, carnivorous diet rich in fruits and vegetables, carnivorous diet less rich in meat, and carnivorous diet rich in meat). Analyses of variance were conducted controlling for lifestyle factors in the following domains: health (self-assessed health, impairment, number of chronic conditions, vascular risk), health care (medical treatment, vaccinations, preventive check-ups), and quality of life. In addition, differences concerning the presence of 18 chronic conditions were analyzed by means of Chi-square tests. Overall, 76.4% of all subjects were female. 40.0% of the individuals were younger than 30 years, 35.4% between 30 and 49 years, and 24.0% older than 50 years. 30.3% of the subjects had a low SES, 48.8% a middle one, and 20.9% had a high SES. Our results revealed that a vegetarian diet is related to a lower BMI and less frequent alcohol consumption. Moreover, our results showed that a vegetarian diet is associated with poorer health (higher incidences of cancer, allergies, and mental health disorders), a higher need for health care, and poorer quality of life. Therefore, public health programs are needed in order to reduce the health risk due to nutritional factors.
    Here's how the groups were classified:

    We created a scale that would reflect the animal fat intake for each dietary habit (1 = vegetarian diet, 2 = carnivorous diet rich in fruits and vegetables, 3 = carnivorous diet less rich in meat, 4 = carnivorous diet rich in meat).
    Some interesting facts from the study, generally cofounders were well established and controlled for:


    Concerning physical exercise: no significant difference was found in the total MET score between the various dietary habit groups (p = .631).
    Concerning smoking behavior: the number of cigarettes smoked per day did not differ between the various dietary habit groups (p = .302).

    Concerning alcohol consumption: Subjects following a vegetarian diet (M = 2.6 days in the last 28 days) or a carnivorous diet rich in fruits and vegetables (M = 3.0 days) consume alcohol significantly less frequently than those eating a carnivorous diet less rich in meat (M = 4.4 days) or rich in meat (M = 4.8 days; p = .000).


    In other words: vegetarianism confers no cardiovascular benefits, but vegetarians suffer from significantly more diseases in this data set.

    In the domain of health, the multivariate analysis of variance showed a significant main effect for the dietary habit of individuals (p = .000). Overall, vegetarians are in a poorer state of health compared to the other dietary habit groups. Concerning self-reported health, vegetarians differ significantly from each of the other groups, toward poorer health (p = 000). Moreover, these subjects report higher levels of impairment from disorders (p = .002). Vegetarians additionally report more chronic diseases than those eating a carnivorous diet less rich in meat (p = .000;Table 2). Significantly more vegetarians suffer from allergies, cancer, and mental health ailments (anxiety, or depression) than the other dietary habit groups (Table 3).

    Subjects who eat a carnivorous diet rich in meat more often report urinary incontinence (p = .023).

    No differences between individuals consuming different forms of diet were found regarding their vascular risk (p = .150;

    Is it the diet, or the notion that vegetarians are less apt to see doctors and/or use medications?

    Our multivariate analysis regarding health care has shown a significant main effect for dietary habits (p = .000) and confirmed that, overall, subjects with a lower animal fat intake demonstrate worse health care practices. Vegetarians and subjects eating a carnivorous diet rich in fruits and vegetables consult doctors more often than those eating a carnivorous diet less rich in meat (p = .003). Moreover, vegetarians are vaccinated less often than all other dietary habit groups (p = .005) and make use of preventive check-ups less frequently than subjects eating a carnivorous diet rich in fruits and vegetables (p = .033;

    Obviously vegetarians with their smug farts are less well liked than their meat eating counterparts.

    The results obtained in the univariate analyses of variance, however, revealed that vegetarians have a lower quality of life in the domains of “physical health” (p = .026) and “environment” (p = .037) than subjects consuming a carnivorous diet less rich in meat. Moreover, vegetarians have a lower quality of life regarding “social relationships” than individuals eating a carnivorous diet rich in fruits and vegetables, or those with a carnivorous diet less rich in meat (p = .043).
    Finally, I would like to point out that this is a responsible interpretation of results in comparison to the irresponsible and biased interpretation of data presented by Longo et al. in the "Protein causes cancer study".

    Potential limitations of our results are due to the fact that the survey was based on cross-sectional data. Therefore, no statements can be made whether the poorer health in vegetarians in our study is caused by their dietary habit or if they consume this form of diet due to their poorer health status. We cannot state whether a causal relationship exists, but describe ascertained associations. Moreover, we cannot give any information regarding the long-term consequences of consuming a special diet nor concerning mortality rates.
    PLOS ONE: Nutrition and Health

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    Beautiful!

    My typical go to reference is the one study which differentiated between processed and unprocessed meat. Will be reading this in my detail and adding it to future meat=bad rebuttals
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    Shhhh! If this gets out, there will be less meat available...although a vegan would have a heck of time wrestling it away from me.
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    Seriously though, even while perusing hundreds of alt medicine articles over the years (some of which are pretty far out there) the majority of ND/CAM researchers and practitioners have been saying this for years...their sickest patients with the lowest health standings are generally vegans or mass grain eaters.
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    Much of the good meat is not bad research is coming out if Europe (especially Germanic and Scandinavian Europe), South Africa, and Australia / New Zealand. The US is one of the few countries that funds and continues to perpetuate the Ancil Keys 7 countries rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Much of the good meat is not bad research is coming out if Europe (especially Germanic and Scandinavian Europe), South Africa, and Australia / New Zealand. The US is one of the few countries that funds and continues to perpetuate the Ancil Keys 7 countries rubbish.
    very true perhaps more shall keep calm and put the kettle on afore sensationalizing for notoriety ratings & doubloon
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    I think there was an article once about a buddhist monk coming to England for a stay. After a few months or years?! (not sure how long) he started to suffer some low protein side effects, even though he was a total vegan as not eating animals is a way of life.
    They seemed to draw the conclusion that, although he was a vegan, he was still getting enough proteins (small bugs/eggs and such with his rice etc. diet) as the quality of cleanliness was not as big in his country and eating foods right from the fields without weeding out all the foreign material helped in perhaps supplementing his diet.
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