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All I care about are results and not evidence or science

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    All I care about are results and not evidence or science


    This is one of the most common arguments against science or an evidence-based approach. How true or how wrong is this statement? Check out this article please: All I care about are results and not evidence or science



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    Actual, observable results are evidence that X or Y works and that science may or may not be able to explain yet.

    Gravity existed long before Newton.

    Going upstream against irrefutable truths is stupid but let's be honest, few hard facts, genuine facts, exist in the kinesiology/nutritional world where universal application is concerned. Results exist, however. Like gravity did, before Newton described it. Disregarding actual results because a study doesn't exist to "prove" the result in a lab setting is also stupid.

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    Determining how to obtain the best results is science. That's exactly what science is.
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    uhm, science shows evidence via results of a fact. so dismissing science and evidence is dismissing results. that statement has to truly be the most oxymoronic statement i have ever heard.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.

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    Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post
    uhm, science shows evidence via results of a fact. so dismissing science and evidence is dismissing results. that statement has to truly be the most oxymoronic statement i have ever heard.
    Who is dismissing science and evidence?

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    Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    Who is dismissing science and evidence?
    good question, who is? i made a factual and an opinionated statement not an accusation.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.

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    Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post
    good question, who is? i made a factual and an opinionated statement not an accusation.
    I was just wondering where you were drawing from, for conversations sake.

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    lol

    "Jim Says…
    Don't fall for that crap that people are peddling on the message boards, in magazines or on TV.

    Get your **** in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesn't matter.

    Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? **** you, I've got scars and blood and vomit.

    This is a call to arms for some of you. It is for me too. Stop all the things that make you a ***** and steal your energy. Get your life back. - Jim Wendler
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    Originally Posted by TexasGuy
    lol

    "Jim Says...
    Don't fall for that crap that people are peddling on the message boards, in magazines or on TV.

    Get your **** in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesn't matter.

    Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? **** you, I've got scars and blood and vomit.

    This is a call to arms for some of you. It is for me too. Stop all the things that make you a ***** and steal your energy. Get your life back. - Jim Wendler"

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    I make a point to read that quote every day.

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    Originally Posted by TexasGuy View Post
    lol

    "Jim Says…
    Don't fall for that crap that people are peddling on the message boards, in magazines or on TV.

    Get your **** in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesn't matter.

    Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? **** you, I've got scars and blood and vomit.

    This is a call to arms for some of you. It is for me too. Stop all the things that make you a ***** and steal your energy. Get your life back. - Jim Wendler
    "

    http://www.jimwendler.com/
    He may not realize it, but that process of 'taking out the crap that doesn't matter', of 'doing...stuff that works', that's science. He's just playing with semantics to make the point that analysis paralysis is an issue for some people.
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    Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    He may not realize it, but that process of 'taking out the crap that doesn't matter', of 'doing...stuff that works', that's science. He's just playing with semantics to make the point that analysis paralysis is an issue for some people.
    I think the overriding issue of this topic is analysis paralysis vs. actual results, documented by science or not.

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    Re: All I care about are results and not evidence or science


    And yet another reason why crossfit is retarded



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    Originally Posted by anoopbal View Post
    This is one of the most common arguments against science or an evidence-based approach. How true or how wrong is this statement? Check out this article please: All I care about are results and not evidence or science
    I can put together an ikea table with screws and use a hammer to drive them in instead of a screwdriver. I'll still end up with a table so i'll still get results right?

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    Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    And yet another reason why crossfit is retarded


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    I'm glad this is getting around. I saw Layne repost this and wondered how many people would see it.
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    Re: All I care about are results and not evidence or science


    Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I'm glad this is getting around. I saw Layne repost this and wondered how many people would see it.
    I saw it in another thread on a different forum followed by a pretty creppy video by Glassman

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    Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I saw it in another thread on a different forum followed by a pretty creppy video by Glassman

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    The "deadlift" video where he uses a PVC pipe instead of a damn bar?
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    yup

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    There is zero application with that teaching method. They have freaking 5lb bumper plates that he could use so she could get the feeling of the bar in her hands, the actual start/stop point, etc.
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    Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    yup
    All I saw in that video was a chick with a nice butt getting scammed by a homeless guy into sticking out her butt. By him teaching her how to pick up his homeless man walking stick.

    Then he started to circle her, I was waiting for him to attack.

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    They should put a big photo of glassman on their homepage. I never knew he was that out of shape. Great role model for the company...

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