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    I'm a football player and an required to workout at the school Monday Wednesday and Friday. The catch being that on all 3 days we have to do agility work (running with bands, box jumps, etc). I'm still trying to bulk up and maximize my lifts but these interrupt them.

    What body parts should I work on these three days for maximum size/strength benefit?

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    I got the same problem at my schooI. I recently started 5x5 training from strong lifts.com. They've reported to add size and strength from just a 3day program. Also check the 5/3/1 program.
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    I see a few options at least:

    1) Lift in the A.M./P.M. (AM if your required conditioning training is in the PM, or PM if your conditioning is in the AM);
    2) Lift first, chug a protein shake with some sugary stuff (try 50g carbs and scale upwards as required) before doing conditioning, or;
    3) Lift Tues/Thurs/Sat, or something of that sort.
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    I like the 5/3/1 idea in conjunction with what torobestia suggested above.

    As long as you are conditioned, the sprints, agility and plyometrics won't affect strength gains too much.

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    Other than the agility (plio, bands, etc.) is there anything I should train?
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    As in while I'm there.
    Also, could I train the 5x5 method while at the football training then later in the night go do my real workouts and subtract bench/squat/rows?
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    Give me some more back ground info.

    First of all, how old are you and what level are you playing (high school, college: D1,2,3, etc.)?
    Next, what position(s) do you play? If more than one, what is your primary position?
    What are your current stats:
    Speed: 40 yard dash
    Conditioning: 300 yard shuttle
    Strength: Squat, Bench press, deadlift
    Power: power/hang clean, vertical and broad jump
    Agility: t-test

    Next, what your team workouts? Tell me everything, days, exercises, etc. Both agility, speed, plyo, and weights.

    Then, we can start to determine what you need to work on.

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    I'm 17, high school football player.
    I'm primarily a guard but I play linebacker (5'9 196) . I run a 4.9 40, we don't 300 yard shuffle. Bench: 315 (or 250x6-8) Squat 375 (315 6-10 times. Power clean: 235 . We haven't done the other tests but I would rate my "hops" as decent.

    Our team agility, we run with bands around our waists, do box jumps low to high high to low, left right front, we do ladders, and when we band we either remain in place or go cone to cone. That training is MWf from 3-430 I do my own lifts and my split has: chest/back/shoulders/off/legs/arms/off.
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    First, impressive numbers.

    How long does this off season agility and conditioning continue for?

    I would place your lower body training at the beginning of the week when you are fresh. Increasing lower body strength right now should be your main goal. Come the end of spring you can focus on increasing lower body power. In other words, work on getting your squat up (as the plyo's will help maintain or improve lower body power) then toward the end of spring focus more on the power clean.

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    Thanks and It continues in June. What type of split do you think I should run then? because my goal was to also do a posing comp this summer but I don't know how tangible that is
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    Posing comp as in bodybuilding competition?

    I would suggest Jim Wendlers 5/3/1. Its a solid program, it has conditioning built into it (which you can substitute your current agility work for) and you will gain some great strength if followed.

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    Yeah. Would 5/3/1 get me large? Haha
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    Yes, although the process of cutting down for a bodybuilding show and trying to gain strength and improve performance do not go well together.

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    How much size/strength is expected?
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    Because from the looks of it, I'll have to buy it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngen52 View Post
    Because from the looks of it, I'll have to buy it
    Its worth the price

    He also has a 5/3/1 for football book
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    Getting larger (or smaller for that matter) is going to be largely dependent on your diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Its worth the price

    He also has a 5/3/1 for football book
    Yup thats what i was going to suggest, I dont play football but was a great read none the less!!
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    Yeah, I really don't like any of the assistance work tho! He posted a bodybuilding one which is much better I think.
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    Dont like the assistence work? Sheesh the man is much smarter then you. Are you training for bbing or football? Also I did 5/3/1 for a year and I NEVER did the bodybuilding split only the ones for strength and gained about 15-20lbs, added a lot to my totals, and ended up bigger then I ever did doing bbing type work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Dont like the assistence work? Sheesh the man is much smarter then you. Are you training for bbing or football? Also I did 5/3/1 for a year and I NEVER did the bodybuilding split only the ones for strength and gained about 15-20lbs, added a lot to my totals, and ended up bigger then I ever did doing bbing type work.
    lol. nice. i like this one.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Dont like the assistence work? Sheesh the man is much smarter then you. Are you training for bbing or football? Also I did 5/3/1 for a year and I NEVER did the bodybuilding split only the ones for strength and gained about 15-20lbs, added a lot to my totals, and ended up bigger then I ever did doing bbing type work.

    I couldn't have said it better my self.

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    Im going to be printing the 5/3/1 for football this week to give it a read through. Looking to implement it soon myself. I dont play football but since I want a career working with athletes I figured it was a smart move to put myself through some football training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Im going to be printing the 5/3/1 for football this week to give it a read through. Looking to implement it soon myself. I dont play football but since I want a career working with athletes I figured it was a smart move to put myself through some football training.
    Smart move
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    Smart move
    Yup thats what I thought too

    Only problem is I don't know what drills and what not. Was looking around for local teams to try and join up and go through a training camp with them, only problem is I most likely suck so prolly wont make the team! lol.. But figured I would give it a shot and see and if anything there is always youtube to get ideas from. I flipped through the 5/3/1 for football book and I didnt notice much on specific football drills so if I cant find a team or dont make a team then will just use youtube I guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Yup thats what I thought too

    Only problem is I don't know what drills and what not. Was looking around for local teams to try and join up and go through a training camp with them, only problem is I most likely suck so prolly wont make the team! lol.. But figured I would give it a shot and see and if anything there is always youtube to get ideas from. I flipped through the 5/3/1 for football book and I didnt notice much on specific football drills so if I cant find a team or dont make a team then will just use youtube I guess
    Pretty sure if you have good strength and a good 40 yard time you can walk on to my uni's football team, lol. And there's an idea, too, checking out college football teams in your area. And I think you can spectate with no ID?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Pretty sure if you have good strength and a good 40 yard time you can walk on to my uni's football team, lol. And there's an idea, too, checking out college football teams in your area. And I think you can spectate with no ID?
    Whats a good 40 yard time? And most likely I would have to be a student to join a schools team, although I have thought about checking some youth teams out and asking if they would let me volunteer and help.
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    I'd actually suggest working with a track team to learn to improve acceleration and speed. Strength coaching is about being able to break down movement patterns in order to implement agility and strenght exercises to improve performance on the field. Especially with football since it is such a highly specialized sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Whats a good 40 yard time? And most likely I would have to be a student to join a schools team, although I have thought about checking some youth teams out and asking if they would let me volunteer and help.
    Woops, I'm dumb. Totally forgot about the req. of being a student to play on a college team LOL. But I still think you can sit in and watch their practices. 4.5 40 appears competitive, sub 4.3 40 looks like they'd be looking at you playing first string.

    Interesting comments by Zir Red. That may be another option

    EDIT: actually I'm just tired right now and forgot the intent of my statement, which was just to say collegiate teams don't necessarily hold god-like athlete standards all across the board.
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