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    Are the zinc and phosphatidylserine doses shown on nutraplanet correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    We usually recommending cycling all our supplements at some point for the same reasons most of us cycle pretty much anything.

    This is our oral cortisol control beast. Used as directed it's two months of product for 27 bucks. I think that's a pretty nice deal We are well aware some people are going to do their own experiments and stuff (we are all our own guinea pigs after all )

    It's 60 caps at 2 a day. Or am I wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Are the zinc and phosphatidylserine doses shown on nutraplanet correct?
    Those two doses weren't on our original label, so I'll check into it. The original doses were 100mg phosphatidylserine and 10mg zinc gluconate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Those two doses weren't on our original label, so I'll check into it. The original doses were 100mg phosphatidylserine and 10mg zinc gluconate.
    Correct. Looks like a typo on the product page.

    I would never waste my time or yours with 100mcg of PS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Correct. Looks like a typo on the product page.

    I would never waste my time or yours with 100mcg of PS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Correct. Looks like a typo on the product page.

    I would never waste my time or yours with 100mcg of PS.
    Awesome, I love the looks of this. I was more concerned about enough zinc to put me in the hospital
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Awesome, I love the looks of this. I was more concerned about enough zinc to put me in the hospital
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Awesome, I love the looks of this. I was more concerned about enough zinc to put me in the hospital
    Don't be a pansy Coop, down the bottle at once!
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    Another study on Emodin
    Keep in mind when reading Emodin studies that this compound has an ATROCIOUS oral availability. This is what took so long, as we were forced to complex it.


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22673833

    Planta Med. 2012 Jun;78(10):943-50. doi: 10.1055/s-0031-1298626. Epub 2012 Jun 6.
    Emodin protects against high-fat diet-induced obesity via regulation of AMP-activated protein kinase pathways in white adipose tissue.
    Tzeng TF, Lu HJ, Liou SS, Chang CJ, Liu IM.
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    Department of Internal Medicine, Pao Chien Hospital, Ping Tung City, Pingtung County, Taiwan. d850084@yahoo.com.tw
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    Emodin is an active herbal component traditionally used in China for treating a variety of diseases. The aim of this study was to examine the effect of emodin on the reducing lipid accumulation in white adipose tissue of high-fat diet-fed rats, and on the regulation of the expression of the genes involved in lipid metabolism to elucidate the mechanisms. After being fed a high-fat diet for two weeks, rats were dosed orally with emodin (20, 40, 80 mg/kg/day) or pioglitazone (20 mg/kg/day), once daily for eight weeks. Changes in body weight, feeding pattern, serum lipids, coronary artery risk index, and atherogenic index were investigated. Subcutaneous white adipose tissues were isolated for pathology histology and Western blot analyses. Changes of triglyceride accumulation in differentiated 3 T3-L1 adipocytes were also investigated. Emodin exhibited a significant concentration-dependent decrease in the intracellular accumulation of triglyceride in 3 T3-L1 adipocytes. Emodin (80 mg/kg/day) displayed similar characteristics to pioglitazone (20 mg/kg/day) in reducing body weight gain and plasma lipid levels as well as the coronary artery risk and atherogenic indices of high-fat diet-fed rats. Emodin also caused dose related reductions in epididymal white adipose tissue sizes in high-fat diet-fed rats. Emodin and pioglitazone enhanced the phosphorylation of AMP-activated protein kinase and its primary downstream targeting enzyme, acetyl-CoA carboxylase, upregulated gene expression of carnitine palmitoyl transferase 1, and downregulated sterol regulatory element binding protein 1 and fatty acid synthase protein levels in the epididymal white adipose tissue of high-fat diet-fed rats. Our findings suggest that emodin could attenuate lipid accumulation in white adipose tissue through AMP-activated protein kinase activation.

    Georg Thieme Verlag KG Stuttgart New York.

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    ammo is safe for females right? can females stack ammo n sleephoria?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bananaClip View Post
    ammo is safe for females right? can females stack ammo n sleephoria?
    Yes for both questions...safe for all users and safe to stack with Sleephoria.
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    Started AMMO this morning....5/3/1+sprints+ammo=

    bye bye belly fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Started AMMO this morning....5/3/1+sprints+ammo=

    bye bye belly fat.
    Can I be the sweat dripping off your body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post

    Can I be the sweat dripping off your body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Started AMMO this morning....5/3/1+sprints+ammo=

    bye bye belly fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    Running a log?
    Not planning on it, but will frequent my thoughts/progress in here if you guys want.
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    Absolutely, brotha. Would love to hear your thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwa254 View Post
    Absolutely, brotha. Would love to hear your thoughts
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    Can ammo be used with 11 oxo or would that cause to much suppression ? When will full ammo write up be up at nutra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakee View Post
    Popped my first pill today! Can't wait for it to kick in
    Ammo is not something you're going to "feel" kick in like a thermo pill. Sorta like Abliderate Advanced isn't something that makes you wired or anything, AMMO is going to be knocking down cortisol levels. I measured myself at the start of Ammo and I will be measuring at the end. We're confident at the end of a bottle people are going to be leaner around the middle just like they are with the topical forms.

    You should notice appetite suppression right off the bat though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbrooks View Post
    Can ammo be used with 11 oxo or would that cause to much suppression ? When will full ammo write up be up at nutra
    Bump for info
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbrooks View Post
    Bump for info
    Will direct Matt's attention, I don't know the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Ammo is not something you're going to "feel" kick in like a thermo pill. Sorta like Abliderate Advanced isn't something that makes you wired or anything, AMMO is going to be knocking down cortisol levels. I measured myself at the start of Ammo and I will be measuring at the end. We're confident at the end of a bottle people are going to be leaner around the middle just like they are with the topical forms. You should notice appetite suppression right off the bat though.
    This sounds perfect to stack with erase
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Ammo is not something you're going to "feel" kick in like a thermo pill. Sorta like Abliderate Advanced isn't something that makes you wired or anything, AMMO is going to be knocking down cortisol levels. I measured myself at the start of Ammo and I will be measuring at the end. We're confident at the end of a bottle people are going to be leaner around the middle just like they are with the topical forms.

    You should notice appetite suppression right off the bat though.
    That's what I mean by that haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbrooks View Post
    Bump for info
    There's just no point. It's like taking a tbooster while taking AAS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Ammo is not something you're going to "feel" kick in like a thermo pill. Sorta like Abliderate Advanced isn't something that makes you wired or anything, AMMO is going to be knocking down cortisol levels. I measured myself at the start of Ammo and I will be measuring at the end. We're confident at the end of a bottle people are going to be leaner around the middle just like they are with the topical forms.

    You should notice appetite suppression right off the bat though.
    The measurements won't reflect any change really. 11b-hsd1 is located in cells (brain, fat, liver), not in the plasma
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    So this wouldn't make sense to stack with Ab Ablierated since it's basically the same thing only in oral form...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    So this wouldn't make sense to stack with Ab Ablierated since it's basically the same thing only in oral form...?
    If you're going to stack with Ab-Ab, then knock out one of the doses of AMMO.
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    Sorry on the writeup...I will get it finished asap. If you have checked out the CardioTryx design and writeup, you can see that this has taken a huge amount of the effort of the last few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The measurements won't reflect any change really. 11b-hsd1 is located in cells (brain, fat, liver), not in the plasma
    More info expanding on what Coop is talking about. Overexpression of adipose (and even liver) 11b-hsd1 doesn't necessarily directly correlate with excessive plasma cortisol levels...the "damage" and metabolic/adipose disfunction occurs locally.

    http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/115363

    For Geo's post, though, he is talking about a rough waist measurement, not a plasma cortisol measurement. It's not highly scientific, but in the end we are concerned with what the product does for physique enhancement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The measurements won't reflect any change really. 11b-hsd1 is located in cells (brain, fat, liver), not in the plasma
    More info expanding on what Coop is talking about. Overexpression of adipose (and even liver) 11b-hsd1 doesn't necessarily directly correlate with excessive plasma cortisol levels...the "damage" and metabolic/adipose disfunction occurs locally.

    http://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/115363

    For Geo's post, though, he is talking about a rough waist measurement, not a plasma cortisol measurement. It's not highly scientific, but in the end we are concerned with what the product does for physique enhancement.
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    Stacking it with erase will work synergetic correct?
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    Reduction of estrogen should be synergistic.
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