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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Regardless of the delivery vehicle, there will always be some degree of systemic distribution
    True, some inadvertent systemic pickup will occur as it's transported through the dermal vasculature, but not enough to cause the negative side effects of systemic suppression that isn't cycled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    True, some inadvertent systemic pickup will occur as it's transported through the dermal vasculature, but not enough to cause the negative side effects of systemic suppression that isn't cycled.
    Do you have evidence of systemic suppression? I don't see much besides reduction of steroid sex hormones
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    I'm looking into Abliderate Advanced and Absolutely Abliderated. I'm looking for answers on which to get. I'm sitting around 20ish % bf and I have some Eviscerate from a while back which I will probably use down the road when I'm a bit leaner. Until then I would like to attack this fatty midsection with one of the AA products I'm just torn on which one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    I'm looking into Abliderate Advanced and Absolutely Abliderated. I'm looking for answers on which to get. I'm sitting around 20ish % bf and I have some Eviscerate from a while back which I will probably use down the road when I'm a bit leaner. Until then I would like to attack this fatty midsection with one of the AA products I'm just torn on which one.
    Absolutely abliderated is stronger and only few $ more on nutra, seems like an easy decision.

    I believe Evomuse is coming out with a product for higher bf% that you may be interested in if you can wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    Absolutely abliderated is stronger and only few $ more on nutra, seems like an easy decision.

    I believe Evomuse is coming out with a product for higher bf% that you may be interested in if you can wait.
    I'm too impatient to wait lol. I'm an American damnit and I want it now!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post

    I'm too impatient to wait lol. I'm an American damnit and I want it now!!
    I'd say absolutely abliderated, I'm using it now and like it more
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesm11 View Post
    I'd say absolutely abliderated, I'm using it now and like it more
    I've never used either and I won't have anything to compare to so this input is great. Thanks a lot man.
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    These abliderate products are great for lean bulks I've gained 10 pounds naturally with only a .5 inch increase in waist size and it doesn't really look like I've gained much fat which is awesome. The skin in my abdominal area always feels tighter when using these products
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    can AA be used with Dry Rub and if so in which order would it be best to apply
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbrooks View Post
    can AA be used with Dry Rub and if so in which order would it be best to apply
    You can use both AA and Dry Rub. It would be best to apply AA, and wait 15 minutes before applying Dry Rub to your desired areas.
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    Does anyone have experience with these products and gyno?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabys225 View Post
    Does anyone have experience with these products and gyno?
    In reference to using them to reduce gyno?

    If its fat mostly then the topicals should provide some benefit. If there is an actual lump thats been established then only surgery will work.
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    Has anyone experienced any joint soreness from AA? I know it is said to not be systemic but I'm still curious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xhrr View Post
    Has anyone experienced any joint soreness from AA? I know it is said to not be systemic but I'm still curious?
    Hmmm...I haven't heard of someone experiencing joint soreness from AA. It utilizes a localized carrier, so I don't think that it would cause overall joint soreness. As Coop and Matt mentioned above, you'll experience some degree of systemic distribution. However, I don't think it would cause low cortisol issues like joint soreness. We'll see what Matt has to say.
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    How long can AA and Eviscerate each be used for? Indefinitely since it's topical or is it still best to cycle them like other products?
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    Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    How long can AA and Eviscerate each be used for? Indefinitely since it's topical or is it still best to cycle them like other products?
    We usually recommend taking a break after running back to back bottles of around 4 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    We usually recommend taking a break after running back to back bottles of around 4 weeks.
    Thanks bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Hmmm...I haven't heard of someone experiencing joint soreness from AA. It utilizes a localized carrier, so I don't think that it would cause overall joint soreness. As Coop and Matt mentioned above, you'll experience some degree of systemic distribution. However, I don't think it would cause low cortisol issues like joint soreness. We'll see what Matt has to say.
    I got heavy joint soreness. It's not due to cortisol...transdermal 7-keto use as human studies showing it crushes estrogen (something like a 50% decrease).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I got heavy joint soreness. It's not due to cortisol...transdermal 7-keto use as human studies showing it crushes estrogen (something like a 50% decrease).
    Thanks for the input, Coop!

    Why would PA say that his 7-Spray wouldn't have an affect on estrogen?

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    Wow now I realize why I've been experiencing more joint soreness than expected. I recently started AA and 1 PES Erase per day. I didn't know my estrogen was being heavily affected by both. I was thinking the 1 erase was just killing my joints by itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Thanks for the input, Coop!

    Why would PA say that his 7-Spray wouldn't have an affect on estrogen?

    7 spray's effects on estrogen
    I don't know. He's wrong though. In fact, using TD 7-keto for 1 week resulted in lowered estrogen for something like 90 days after ceasing use in the human subjects
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    I don't know. He's wrong though. In fact, using TD 7-keto for 1 week resulted in lowered estrogen for something like 90 days after ceasing use in the human subjects
    Nice one, two punch: estrogen and cortisol control! People are starting to see why you like the product so much. Thank you for the clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I don't know. He's wrong though. In fact, using TD 7-keto for 1 week resulted in lowered estrogen for something like 90 days after ceasing use in the human subjects
    I stopped taking my PES Erase for now and am just going to use it later. So technically this is addressing the cortisol problems as usual and also acting as a topical estrogen fighter like Formestane and similar products? Definitely a one two punch like domore said. This is amazing stuff!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I don't know. He's wrong though. In fact, using TD 7-keto for 1 week resulted in lowered estrogen for something like 90 days after ceasing use in the human subjects
    Link to study?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nostrum420 View Post
    Link to study?
    I did find this which isnt excatly what he is saying but does show lower estrogen after 72/100 days. I would not think though with the carrier in AA this would be possible as its localized but it many be possible for a product like 7-spray

    "Application of 25mg 7-keto via a topical cream for 8 days has failed to note any decreases in serum estradiol during treatment, although a decrease in estraiol was noted on days 72 and 100 (reaching 48% of baseline value) which coincided with decreases in serum SHBG.[22] 200mg of 7-keto for 8 weeks in otherwise obese persons in combination with exercise and a calorically restricted diet failed to significantly influenced estradiol levels in serum (this study only measured serum estradiol of 6 persons)."
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    I was wondering does adding liquid clen to this make a difference for someone in 18-20 percent bf range or is that mainly for folks already lean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbrooks View Post
    I was wondering does adding liquid clen to this make a difference for someone in 18-20 percent bf range or is that mainly for folks already lean
    Tough call...the mode of action of Clen would make a difference, it's just unlikely that it would really be noticeable over 15%.
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    Dsade what you think on running AA while on cycle? Or eviscerate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Dsade what you think on running AA while on cycle? Or eviscerate?
    How do your cycles normally treat you? I would definitely opt for Eviscerate, personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    How do your cycles normally treat you? I would definitely opt for Eviscerate, personally.
    My cycles treat me good. Going to run S.dmz bridged into Hdrol.

    Awesome I'll go with eviscerate than.

    How about a sponsored log? :-) would love to run it for 8 weeks.
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    Bump for an answer dsade :-)
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    Who? Me? He asked who wants to run a log at another thread lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Who? Me? He asked who wants to run a log at another thread lol.
    Now it all makes sense lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    Now it all makes sense lol
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