Starting TRT with EM

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  1. Starting TRT with EM


    So, I just got my HCG and needles today. still waiting on the testosterone and anatrozole, but with all the weather emergencies down south, that's understandable.

    I have never been on TRT before, and haven't used anything hormonal for prolly 6 years.

    a couple years back, I had a significant injury that kept me out of the gym for about a year, and I ate like crap and drank too much then. gained a ton of fat, and got my T tested, and saw I was lowish. not quite low enough for insurance to cover or a regular doc to treat, but literally only 10-15 points away. there are no TRT clinics near me, and the nearest one charges idiotic prices ($350 for the initial consult, which doesn't even cover medications, all out of pocket, and it's an hour away).

    Anyway, so over the course of the past few years, I've used research clomid on several different occasions in order to raise my testosterone.... it did work while on clomid (usually doubled it, from around 250-300 to 600-700), it did not stay up at all while I went off. and to be honest, I really didn't feel much better.... maybe a little bit (general mood and energy), but not like I'd hoped. I've lost a few pounds, but it's been a nightmare trying to get my weight under control.

    So, I saw @kenpoengineer 's post a while back, and took the plunge as well, so to speak.

    Since I don't have some of my supplies yet, I'm going to try to get the full pre-TRT labs done through Discounted Labs in the next couple days for a better baseline, since the post-PCT labs I got don't have some of the things I want to track .

    This will kinda be a general log for both EM and my experience with TRT....


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  3. Smart to get baseline labs. If you can afford it, get your vitamin D, Folate, B12 and iodine checked.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Smart to get baseline labs. If you can afford it, get your vitamin D, Folate, B12 and iodine checked.
    I got D checked a while ago.... I didn't even think about those other ones. already ordered my test so I'll have to wait for that...

  5. Vitamin D is actually a hormone. What level are you?
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Vitamin D is actually a hormone. What level are you?
    45.

    when I first started trying to raise my T, I got it checked and it was around 25, so I got it up into the healthy range, at least.

    I had hoped that would help my T production more, but it hasn't seemed to.

  7. Getting my baseline bloodwork today.

    I actually got some more basic bloodwork done about a month ago, and started EA clomid right after as I suspected my T levels were creeping down again.

    I was right.... total T was 265 (range 264-916). E2 14 (range 8-35).

    Anyway, I believe the rest of my supplies are on my way, and I will start TRT as soon as I get that stuff. I will update what my current bloodwork is as well, just to show what EA's clomid does for a month (16 mg/day).

    EDIT: got my pre-cycle bloodwork back, although I apparently checked "female" instead of "male." oh well...

    anyway, so a month of EA's research clomid raised my total T to 540. E2 went to 16.

  8. Got the rest of the meds today, so I'll be starting today!

    100 mg cyp, 250 IU HCG and 1/4 tab of anastrozole

  9. Interested! Thanks for the log.

  10. So far I haven't noticed a whole lot, but realistically shouldn't expect much yet either.

    I did notice a significant increase in my "pump" working out the other day..... enough of a difference to realize it in the middle of my workout.
  11. May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  12. A couple things I have been looking into, and kicking around in my head.

    So according to the data below, test e/cyp seem to peak in around 10 hours (with a half-life of around 4.5 days):

    http://www.bloodworks.com.au/docs/Ph...eparations.pdf

    however, anastrozole peaks in around 1 hour (with a half life of around 46 hours):

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...acodynamics-of

    I'm not sure how fast HCG peaks, but it appears to have a half life of around 23 hours:

    https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drug...injection.html

    So, after skimming through some of @kenpoengineer 's posts, I was thinking something like this, maybe:

    Sun-Wed: AM: HCG
    Mon-Thu: AM: test cyp
    Mon-Thu: PM: anastrozole

    ^does that makes sense, or am I reading too much into this?


    side note: I edited my previous post with my updated bloodwork, for those interested...

  13. I ended up deciding to change my HCG dosing to Sun-Wed, so I took 250 IU's this morning. Will take the cyp tomorrow (100 mg) and Thur, and take the A-dex a couple hours after on the cyp days.

    I noticed some random "wood" yesterday, so the TRT appears to be kicking in. hunger is also up (which is mildly annoying as I'm still trying to lose fat/weight). my muscles feel a bit more "full" all the time, even if it's not near my workout. not pumped or super vascular, but a touch bigger and tighter.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by CatSnake View Post
    A couple things I have been looking into, and kicking around in my head.

    So according to the data below, test e/cyp seem to peak in around 10 hours (with a half-life of around 4.5 days):

    http://www.bloodworks.com.au/docs/Ph...eparations.pdf

    however, anastrozole peaks in around 1 hour (with a half life of around 46 hours):

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...acodynamics-of

    I'm not sure how fast HCG peaks, but it appears to have a half life of around 23 hours:

    https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drug...injection.html

    So, after skimming through some of @kenpoengineer 's posts, I was thinking something like this, maybe:

    Sun-Wed: AM: HCG
    Mon-Thu: AM: test cyp
    Mon-Thu: PM: anastrozole

    ^does that makes sense, or am I reading too much into this?


    side note: I edited my previous post with my updated bloodwork, for those interested...

    I don't think you are over thinking it, that's a good way to do it, so you are hitting your trough and pinning hcg, I take my cyp twice a week also, when I take hcg I do it with the cyp just to keep it simple, I take anastrozole twice a week also, I take it approx. 24 hours after cyp inject, when you started with entourage did you have to go and get some type of physical?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by j4ever41 View Post
    I don't think you are over thinking it, that's a good way to do it, so you are hitting your trough and pinning hcg, I take my cyp twice a week also, when I take hcg I do it with the cyp just to keep it simple, I take anastrozole twice a week also, I take it approx. 24 hours after cyp inject, when you started with entourage did you have to go and get some type of physical?
    yeah.

    I actually had just gotten my own bloodwork done and had my yearly physical maybe a month prior, so I just sent that to them. dumb luck on my part that I had all that stuff done already...

  16. I ended up ordering some tuberclin syringes the other day, and got them in the mail today. I believe it's 26 ga with a 5/8" needle. bigger than the 31 ga slin needle, but much smaller than the 23 ga IM needle. I shot that into my delt today.... no issues. I hope it wasn't too shallow for a IM shot, tho....

    I also noticed that my weight is a smidge high.... I kinda pigged out over the weekend, but that weight usually comes off pretty quick when I get back on my diet. my wedding ring is also a bit snug, too. I have a very small touch of gyno on one nipple, and that was a little sensitive the other day, too.

    So, I took 1/2 tab of arimidex today a couple hours after my cyp shot instead of 1/4 tab, and will see how that goes. I plan on staying with 1/4 tab, and am hoping that I just need a one-time bump to correct the E2 conversion.

  17. Did you get an email from Entourage Hormones stopping service?
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Did you get an email from Entourage Hormones stopping service?
    Nope, not yet.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by CatSnake View Post
    A couple things I have been looking into, and kicking around in my head.

    So according to the data below, test e/cyp seem to peak in around 10 hours (with a half-life of around 4.5 days):

    http://www.bloodworks.com.au/docs/Ph...eparations.pdf

    however, anastrozole peaks in around 1 hour (with a half life of around 46 hours):

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/articl...acodynamics-of

    I'm not sure how fast HCG peaks, but it appears to have a half life of around 23 hours:

    https://www.empowerpharmacy.com/drug...injection.html

    So, after skimming through some of @kenpoengineer 's posts, I was thinking something like this, maybe:

    Sun-Wed: AM: HCG
    Mon-Thu: AM: test cyp
    Mon-Thu: PM: anastrozole

    ^does that makes sense, or am I reading too much into this?


    side note: I edited my previous post with my updated bloodwork, for those interested...
    How's this timing working 4 u? U know ur Sunday Monday Wednesday Thursday protocol and ur timing with them? I believe imma try the same routine out n c if it works better 4 me cause my nipples wanna get bigger if I wait 24 hrs.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by 81dcs View Post
    How's this timing working 4 u? U know ur Sunday Monday Wednesday Thursday protocol and ur timing with them? I believe imma try the same routine out n c if it works better 4 me cause my nipples wanna get bigger if I wait 24 hrs.
    honestly... too soon to say.

    I'm having a bit of an issue with timing my shots the same, as I work nights, but my schedule rotates a bit. so sometimes I'll take my shot at 700 am, and other days 700 pm.

    I'm actually debating on backing everything down, and just take the cyp at 7 am on Mon, and the HCG at 7 am on Thur or Fri (and take the a-dex on shot days).

    ^obviously the blood levels will be slightly less stable, but I'm worried that I'm gonna miss a shot or A-dex as it is now. maybe once my blood levels are plateaued on that, I can tweak it down the road.... I dunno.

  21. Interesting link on HCG:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...imulation_test





    And here's a link on what one can expect, as far as increases in E2 on various doses of testosterone enanthate:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2913038/

  22. Doc Henry called yesterday to check on me. Things are improving right now, although I think my E2 might be a bit high. I am going to take .5 mg of the Adex now, and see how that goes. <even still, I was rather concerned about crashing my E2, so I don't regret starting with conservative dosing there.

    Also, he said that the HCG is a 3 month supply, which makes sense as to why I have so much. EDIT: also, I think the anastrozole Rx is for 3 months, as well...

    He said that when we take our last shot of cyp, to go to the Entourage page and fill out the Rx refill request for that.

  23. What E2 issues make you think itís high? Usually high E2 makes you moody, have acne forming with oily skin and you have hot flashes or the feeling of being hot.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  24. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    What E2 issues make you think it’s high? Usually high E2 makes you moody, have acne forming with oily skin and you have hot flashes or the feeling of being hot.
    hot feeling, oily skin, some old gyno flaring up, minor water retention...

  25. Got my 2nd shipment today, so the auto-order seems to be working just fine.
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