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    11-OXO is up as a Standalone on Prototype


    11-OXO is up as a Standalone on Prototype see here 11OXO
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    11-OXO is up as a Standalone on Prototype see here 11OXO
    I recall that 2 bottles are needed to run an effective 30 day cycle? This true??
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcazo View Post

    I recall that 2 bottles are needed to run an effective 30 day cycle? This true??
    The problem with 30 days is 11oxo needs more time. Try 60 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    The problem with 30 days is 11oxo needs more time. Try 60 days.
    So would you say 60 days at the recommended dose would yield better results? Or am I going to need 4 bottles??
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcazo View Post

    So would you say 60 days at the recommended dose would yield better results? Or am I going to need 4 bottles??
    11oxo cycles are usually 7 to 8weeks at least. For advanced users I've seen up to 12 weeks. You will need proper pct though.
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    So 4 bottles? When the hell is TAA gonna be back in stock? Its been like a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    So 4 bottles?
    75mg per pill. Best dosage is anywhere from 225 to 600 mg. 225 mg would be mild but you will see some results. PA knows what hes doing though. Im glad he jumped on the 11x train before its gone.

    I would buy 5 for a good run.
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    at a dose of 600/day for 8 wks, you would need 5, which is what I am planning on doing
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    Ok ill just get 6
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    Good to see folks jumping on this!
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    Ok picked up 6 niceeeee.I have a little over a half bottle of 11 spray too which will be gone soon unfortunately
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    11oxo cycles are usually 7 to 8weeks at least. For advanced users I've seen up to 12 weeks. You will need proper pct though.
    Would you need PCT on a 8 week 600mg cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcazo View Post
    So would you say 60 days at the recommended dose would yield better results? Or am I going to need 4 bottles??
    Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.
    yeah i usually feel leaning out within a couple of weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.
    Thanks this was my thinking as well..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic1 View Post
    Would you need PCT on a 8 week 600mg cycle?
    You would need pct any dose. .11x is a hormone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Most people feel that the best results on 11 oxo are felt inside 30 days and there are diminishing returns after. So 2 bottles. PCT isn't going to hurt you but I've never experienced any appreciable shutdown(shrinkage) on and 11 oxo cycle.
    ???I have never seen a cycle go 4 weeks with 11oxo. Too short. Speaking as someone who has ran 11x it does kick in around week 3 but the fat loss/gains kept going till about the 9 week mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    You would need pct any dose. .11x is a hormone.
    Ah, I thought it depended on your dosage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nic1 View Post
    Ah, I thought it depended on your dosage.
    hormones can recover quite uneventfully after normal 11-oxo usage without a PCT. There is not very much suppression
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post

    hormones can recover quite uneventfully after normal 11-oxo usage without a PCT. There is not very much suppression
    By normal what dose are you referring to?

    I also would like to point out recovery is harder for people over 35 correct? Would you suggest no pct for them?

    I should also mention an otc pct will do for 11x

    Also I think there has been some confusion. I believe pct is needed on every compound. Not due to suppression but due to the maintenance of the gains you got on cycle. Recover faster,keep gains easier. Needless to say im sure you're caught up on the literature of recovery. Hdrol doesn't need a pct per se because we have seen case after case of recovery after years of abuse of multiple steroids.
    But the bad thing about letting it recover on its own is 3 months in and you'll still be recovering hormonal wise vs 2 *complete recovery or atleast good numbers* with a proper pct.

    Just my .02 though. You know more about it though.
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    You can run pct if you like it most certainly will not hurt. I run TF2 and some kind of anti e almost year round. It's just that 11 oxo is only mildly suppressive so that pct is not a necessity
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    Yea i saw minimal suppression when i ran 11-oxo for 8 weeks. Still ran a pct to be safe though.
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    any shipping discount codes ? picking up 4/5 bottles the shipping increase with each bottle and makes it pricey

    Thanks for consideration
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    Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post
    any shipping discount codes ? picking up 4/5 bottles the shipping increase with each bottle and makes it pricey

    Thanks for consideration
    free shipping for orders over 200 bucks i believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post
    any shipping discount codes ? picking up 4/5 bottles the shipping increase with each bottle and makes it pricey

    Thanks for consideration
    Any order over 200 gets free shipping, which is nice.
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    Agree the free shipping is a nice deal only issue is some of the other products I'm interested in have been ooo for a month or so. That being taa and ketoforce so not making the 200 mark
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    Quote Originally Posted by dollar662 View Post
    Agree the free shipping is a nice deal only issue is some of the other products I'm interested in have been ooo for a month or so. That being taa and ketoforce so not making the 200 mark
    sorry about that, these should be back any day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    sorry about that, these should be back any day
    Cool , thanks for update !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    sorry about that, these should be back any day
    Great news.
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    Is 11-oxo gonna be banned or something? I saw prototypes site has pills and not the spray. Why the switch? Tried it when it first came out and loved it. Might want to add it to something i have planned so is this something i need to get ASAP or will there be more batches? Pills as effective as the spray?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    Is 11-oxo gonna be banned or something? I saw prototypes site has pills and not the spray. Why the switch? Tried it when it first came out and loved it. Might want to add it to something i have planned so is this something i need to get ASAP or will there be more batches? Pills as effective as the spray?
    There should be no reason 11-oxo would be banned. As far as i know more batches of 11-oxo should be produced.

    The spray is what the pills convert into. Spray was 11-ketotestosterone and the pills are adrenosterone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post

    There should be no reason 11-oxo would be banned. As far as i know more batches of 11-oxo should be produced.

    The spray is what the pills convert into. Spray was 11-ketotestosterone and the pills are adrenosterone.
    11x will never be banned at this point. Been around forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    There should be no reason 11-oxo would be banned. As far as i know more batches of 11-oxo should be produced.

    The spray is what the pills convert into. Spray was 11-ketotestosterone and the pills are adrenosterone.
    ohh! I see, thanks for the clarification. So is the spray coming back ever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    ohh! I see, thanks for the clarification. So is the spray coming back ever?
    I am honestly not sure. Its probably not likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post

    ohh! I see, thanks for the clarification. So is the spray coming back ever?
    +1

    I would also like to know. I plan on using for a cut cycle starting in Feb
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    +1

    I would also like to know. I plan on using for a cut cycle starting in Feb
    Most likely not coming back.
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    Any difference in effectiveness between the two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    Any difference in effectiveness between the two?
    Between 11 oxo and 11kt?

    You will need more 11-oxo but the end results IMO should be the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Between 11 oxo and 11kt?

    You will need more 11-oxo but the end results IMO should be the same.
    Ok, I'm going with prototype 11-oxo should i ramp up the dose or start with a high dose (6-7 caps/day) right off the bat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    Ok, I'm going with prototype 11-oxo should i ramp up the dose or start with a high dose (6-7 caps/day) right off the bat?
    Id start with the recommended doseage of 3 caps and assess from there.

    Others have run 11 Oxo upwords of like a gram a day though i believe.
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