Joint Force

[T-Bone]

Over the past few days I seemed to have developed some kind of shoulder injury. I don't want to go into details but I'm now getting pain on my left shoulder when doing flat bench. I just read about joint force and that it can have instant pain relief effects. Wondering how long one bottle will last?. I just purchased two of them just in case. Should I only use it on an as needed basis?. Ok I'll tell you more about the shoulder "injury". I'm not sure what is going on but I was gaining strength on my bench press and kept adding weight each week. On Tuesday my left shoulder felt "off" and I was getting a few popping noises. Wednesday I went to the gym with the intention of doing some chest and shoulders. Anyway I got there and warmed up pretty good. I felt a bit of pain when I was warming up. Put on my working weight and I could barely do 2 reps without pain in my left shoulder. Now today it is difficult to even lift the lightest things around the house with my left arm. I've been trying to avoid the use of my left side. Never had an injury this debilitating. I'm old though so I guess it is inevitable that my shoulder/shoulders will give out. Hopefully I can find some alternate exercises that I can do. Either that or I just keep pushing through it. I just hate to have to give up benching even if it is only till/if my shoulder heals.

[T-Bone]

Bump for some opinions.

[truthornothin]

Over the past few days I seemed to have developed some kind of shoulder injury. I don't want to go into details but I'm now getting pain on my left shoulder when doing flat bench. I just read about joint force and that it can have instant pain relief effects. Wondering how long one bottle will last?. I just purchased two of them just in case. Should I only use it on an as needed basis?. Ok I'll tell you more about the shoulder "injury". I'm not sure what is going on but I was gaining strength on my bench press and kept adding weight each week. On Tuesday my left shoulder felt "off" and I was getting a few popping noises. Wednesday I went to the gym with the intention of doing some chest and shoulders. Anyway I got there and warmed up pretty good. I felt a bit of pain when I was warming up. Put on my working weight and I could barely do 2 reps without pain in my left shoulder. Now today it is difficult to even lift the lightest things around the house with my left arm. I've been trying to avoid the use of my left side. Never had an injury this debilitating. I'm old though so I guess it is inevitable that my shoulder/shoulders will give out. Hopefully I can find some alternate exercises that I can do. Either that or I just keep pushing through it. I just hate to have to give up benching even if it is only till/if my shoulder heals.

I am certainly not a doctor and cannot give medical opinions. Joint Force works on inflammation. If your shoulder issue is inflammation it will help. I had a similar issue. Actually almost identical. Especially the popping noises and the the difficulty in lifting small things. I tried to self diagnose and had convinced myself that I had a SLAP tear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAP_tear

I scared my self that I'd need surgery, I'd just suffered a complete rupture of my left bicep tendon(tore my bicep completely off the bone) a year before and was just getting back to normal. The thought of another surgery and the subsequent rehab period sunk my spirit. I did what you should do, I went to the Doctor. I had an impingement and severe inflammation. I had to lay off lifting anything that aggravated it for 6 weeks, much better than 6 months. So IMO that is what you should do. If it is just inflammation the Jointforce should help with healing also. If not you'll want to do what the Doctor says to avoid worsening the issue. Trust me I feel you on the old thing you do not list your age. I'll be 47 on April 6. Every year I seem to accumulate double damage from the year before. Be smart on this one T-Bone, get a Doctors opinion, you won't be sorry. As far as how long a bottle lasts, if you only treat the shoulder about a month. Hope that helps

[T-Bone]

Thanks Truth. I'm not sure I'm ready to see a doctor about it yet. If it gets worse within the next few days I will be making an appointment though. Well I'm 39 turning 40 this July. I'm told its all downhill after 40. Seems as if whenever I start progressing faster something like this happens. I may have over-stated the injury and been over-dramatic about it. I will give it another week.

[truthornothin]

Thanks Truth. I'm not sure I'm ready to see a doctor about it yet. If it gets worse within the next few days I will be making an appointment though. Well I'm 39 turning 40 this July. I'm told its all downhill after 40. Seems as if whenever I start progressing faster something like this happens. I may have over-stated the injury and been over-dramatic about it. I will give it another week.

ok man, shoulders are nothing to play with, they are the most maneuverable and most injury prone joint because of that maneuverability. Just don't do anything that exacerbates the injury and ice it. Jointforce after the ice and wrap it with saran wrap for 10 min following application

[T-Bone]

The strange thing is dumbell side laterals didn't bother me much. It was mostly on the flat bench. Maybe it is more of a tendon pull or something similar. I'm not gonna self diagnose but it doesn't hurt bad enough to go to the doctor yet. Tomorrow is mostly leg and back so I still have a day to rest the area before I test the waters again.

[T-Bone]

My joint force should ship tomorrow.

[Patrick Arnold]

Over the past few days I seemed to have developed some kind of shoulder injury. I don't want to go into details but I'm now getting pain on my left shoulder when doing flat bench. I just read about joint force and that it can have instant pain relief effects. Wondering how long one bottle will last?. I just purchased two of them just in case. Should I only use it on an as needed basis?. Ok I'll tell you more about the shoulder "injury". I'm not sure what is going on but I was gaining strength on my bench press and kept adding weight each week. On Tuesday my left shoulder felt "off" and I was getting a few popping noises. Wednesday I went to the gym with the intention of doing some chest and shoulders. Anyway I got there and warmed up pretty good. I felt a bit of pain when I was warming up. Put on my working weight and I could barely do 2 reps without pain in my left shoulder. Now today it is difficult to even lift the lightest things around the house with my left arm. I've been trying to avoid the use of my left side. Never had an injury this debilitating. I'm old though so I guess it is inevitable that my shoulder/shoulders will give out. Hopefully I can find some alternate exercises that I can do. Either that or I just keep pushing through it. I just hate to have to give up benching even if it is only till/if my shoulder heals.

joint force can help this kind of injury pretty good, if its what i think it is. u need to rest that shoulder though. hopefully it will heal quickly

if you just use the joint force on that shoulder it will last a very long time

[Patrick Arnold]

The strange thing is dumbell side laterals didn't bother me much. It was mostly on the flat bench. Maybe it is more of a tendon pull or something similar. I'm not gonna self diagnose but it doesn't hurt bad enough to go to the doctor yet. Tomorrow is mostly leg and back so I still have a day to rest the area before I test the waters again.

u should give up flat bench for good. inclines are fine and declines. flat bench puts your shoulders in an unstable position.

dumbell flat presses are ok because your body will naturally shift into the correct range of motion. your body cant do that with a barbell

[T-Bone]

Shoulder feels much better today. Pain is almost completely gone. Still feels a bit tight though. My joint should be delivered by Wednesday the 29th. Tomorrow is chest and shoulders again. Sunday -Monday off. Tuesday legs+back again. So maybe I'll put some on before my workout on Wednesday or after, depending on when my mail shows up.

[T-Bone]

u should give up flat bench for good. inclines are fine and declines. flat bench puts your shoulders in an unstable position.

dumbell flat presses are ok because your body will naturally shift into the correct range of motion. your body cant do that with a barbell

Is that why so many people give up flat bench or just can't do them anymore, because the shoulders are in an unstable position and this causes injury?. I hear of so many guys that just don't or can't do flat bench anymore.

[Patrick Arnold]

Is that why so many people give up flat bench or just can't do them anymore, because the shoulders are in an unstable position and this causes injury?. I hear of so many guys that just don't or can't do flat bench anymore.

yeah, ask any trainer with knowledge of orthopedics

[T-Bone]

Ok then if it will save my shoulders I guess I'll have to give it up. Tomorrow I'll try dumbbell flat bench instead with some light weight though to see how my shoulder is doing.

[T-Bone]

Thanks Patrick.

[truthornothin]

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Is that why so many people give up flat bench or just can't do them anymore, because the shoulders are in an unstable position and this causes injury?. I hear of so many guys that just don't or can't do flat bench anymore.

I haven't done barbell bench in years, dumbells only. Pat is right, the body mechanics are much better with dumbells. Your arms naturally move in an arc, a straight bar prevents that. You also engage the stabilizing muscles too and you will get a better stretch and pump

[truthornothin]

Shoulder feels much better today. Pain is almost completely gone. Still feels a bit tight though. My joint should be delivered by Wednesday the 29th. Tomorrow is chest and shoulders again. Sunday -Monday off. Tuesday legs+back again. So maybe I'll put some on before my workout on Wednesday or after, depending on when my mail shows up.

Oh and don't forget to cover the the treated area with plastic wrap, it makes a world of difference

[T-Bone]

I did Flat Dumbbell bench presses today and what a difference!. No pain in the shoulder and I actually got a pump in my chest which I never do. I'm never going back to barbell flat bench. I'll keep barbell declines though. Those I like.

[truthornothin]

I did Flat Dumbbell bench presses today and what a difference!. No pain in the shoulder and I actually got a pump in my chest which I never do. I'm never going back to barbell flat bench. I'll keep barbell declines though. Those I like.

Yeah, dumbell presses are the only way to fly. My lower pecs tend to overpower my lower pecs so I do mostly incline work and never decline. The decline is easy on the shoulder though so you should be safe. Two other movements to avoid if you are having shoulder issues. No behind the neck overhead presses and no behind the neck pull downs. Just take my word for it.

[T-Bone]

Yeah, dumbell presses are the only way to fly. My lower pecs tend to overpower my lower pecs so I do mostly incline work and never decline. The decline is easy on the shoulder though so you should be safe. Two other movements to avoid if you are having shoulder issues. No behind the neck overhead presses and no behind the neck pull downs. Just take my word for it.

I've done behind the neck lat pulldowns with no issues. In fact, it is one of my stronger exercises.

[truthornothin]

I've done behind the neck lat pulldowns with no issues. In fact, it is one of my stronger exercises.

Ask any sports physician, its shoulder impingement waiting to happen, not at bad as behind the neck presses...