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    7-Spray


    Any difference between THIS and Taurus Nutrition's 7-keto spray that got great reviews here and TONS of posts.

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    Ours contains what it says it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    Ours contains what it says it does (and no controlled substances).
    Care to expand on that? Would be interesting to know what you know on this? What did I miss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    Care to expand on that? Would be interesting to know what you know on this? What did I miss?
    I understand a bottle was sent by a customer to a third party and the test results were unsatisfactory. Obviously chain of custody was not intact (since it could have been tampered with by the customer), the results have not been made public by the customer, and I have no desire to be sued (wrongfully or otherwise) so I'll just say that I understand the sample tested was about 50% 7-keto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    I understand a bottle was sent by a customer to a third party and the test results were unsatisfactory. Obviously chain of custody was not intact (since it could have been tampered with by the customer), the results have not been made public by the customer, and I have no desire to be sued (wrongfully or otherwise) so I'll just say that I understand the sample tested was about 50% 7-keto.
    Where is the lab report proving this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    Where is the lab report proving this?
    Something id like to see also..
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    Ours contains what it says it does.
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    dude dont make a claim like that and not back it up....this isnt BB.com. If you are going to make a claim have some evidence to prove it rather than just hearsay or stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
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    dude dont make a claim like that and not back it up....this isnt BB.com. If you are going to make a claim have some evidence to prove it rather than just hearsay or stories.
    lol, seriously.... this gets better and better, great way to sell a product
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    I understand a bottle was sent by a customer to a third party and the test results were unsatisfactory. Obviously chain of custody was not intact (since it could have been tampered with by the customer), the results have not been made public by the customer, and I have no desire to be sued (wrongfully or otherwise) so I'll just say that I understand the sample tested was about 50% 7-keto.
    a little disingenuous here bud.

    The story, from what I understand, goes:

    Customer sent the bottle to PA who is a little more then just a "third party" but the owner of a company who produces a similar 7-keto spray product for TWICE the cost of 7-KE. He then claims the ingredients arent what they say they are on the label WITHOUT any evidence whatsoever and since PHF worships PA everyone jumps on the hating bandwagon.

    How come no one sees this for what it truly is? A competing company upset that TN offered a similar product for half the cost so in efforts to defame said product wild claims and accusations were made with no evidence backing these claims and since the internet LOVES the drama it becomes the talk of the interwebs. He definitely has a motive here to cause doubt over 7KE and I would have thought this would at the very least cause people to think twice before just co-signing the statement but alas I guess people love the drama way to much to stop and actually think about it.
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    If 7Ke spray had banned steroids in it wouldn't people be reporting side effect. For exp wouldn't Rosie be all ****ed up?? She uses this stuff like body wash lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    dude dont make a claim like that and not back it up....this isnt BB.com. If you are going to make a claim have some evidence to prove it rather than just hearsay or stories.
    This isn't bb.com and I'm not a bb.commer. The question was asked what the differences are, and I gave what I believe to be an honest answer. I was quite clear about it as well. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just passing on what I have been told.
    Check out this thread for more info. You may want to start at this point if you're only interested in the 7-ke stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    a little disingenuous here bud.
    Actually I was being very honest, but I have no interest in being named in any suit so I'm trying to be careful not to expose myself or my boss to the potential for litigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    He definitely has a motive here to cause doubt over 7KE and I would have thought this would at the very least cause people to think twice before just co-signing the statement but alas I guess people love the drama way to much to stop and actually think about it.
    PA has been testing supplements on behalf of the industry and the consumer for many years. Sometimes the products are exactly what they are supposed to be. Sometimes they are not. And I haven't signed any statement, co- or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    This isn't bb.com and I'm not a bb.commer. The question was asked what the differences are, and I gave what I believe to be an honest answer. I was quite clear about it as well. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just passing on what I have been told.Check out this thread for more info. You may want to start at this point if you're only interested in the 7-ke stuff.
    Henry I know who ya are. I know you are knowledgeable but you are are probably a bit bias. Ill check it out.. But im just tired of board drama based on what someone said. Seems like there jas been too m uch lately
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Henry I know who ya are. I know you are knowledgeable but you are are probably a bit bias. Ill check it out.. But im just tired of board drama based on what someone said. Seems like there jas been too m uch lately
    People can do whatever they like with the information. Deny it, believe it, ignore it, whatever. It's not my job to defend test results I haven't seen. There are enough other points raised in that thread about the Taurus product to make one question the accuracy of the label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    Actually I was being very honest, but I have no interest in being named in any suit so I'm trying to be careful not to expose myself or my boss to the potential for litigation.



    PA has been testing supplements on behalf of the industry and the consumer for many years. Sometimes the products are exactly what they are supposed to be. Sometimes they are not. And I haven't signed any statement, co- or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I don't see what's funny. Some companies pay PA for testing. Some consumers pay PA for testing. Sometimes he does it for free because he's interested in the results.

    Look. You're a rep, I'm a rep. Why don't we let our bosses argue over this stuff. If it does turn out that your product doesn't meet label claims (and it obviously doesn't already in several ways, regardless of the ingredients), the less you say about it now the less words you'll have to eat later.
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    Seriously. I love how all of these people who drop this crap provide no proof of the details of their sordid tales and then act as if the have no culpability in starting or keeping this rumor alive. Kind of like me saying I heard my neighbor is a pedophile. I am not saying he is, it is just what I have heard. Oh, no, no, I do not have any proof, I am just saying what I was told and trying to be honest about it. Don't expect me to be held accountable for this, because I did not say it was true, I am simply telling you what I heard. BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

    If you are worried about "honestly" or "culpability" (or even freaking decency for that matter) keep you mouth shut until you have something to back it up. But do not come in here playing all innocent with "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" and not expect to be accountable. What a damn cop out! At this point, I don't even care all that much about what the "truth" of the matter is, the SLIME BALL manner in which this rumor has been disseminated and the weasel like manner that those who have done it try to deny their own guilt in the issue sickens me. I was raised and honor that your word is your bond and have raised my children the same way, promise or no. If I told you I will perform it, I will perform it. If I don't KNOW something to be true, I do not repeat it. Even if it is true, I still may not repeat it if it will not be beneficial to anyone. Too bad for some people it seems that code of honor does not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    I don't see what's funny. Some companies pay PA for testing. Some consumers pay PA for testing. Sometimes he does it for free because he's interested in the results.

    Look. You're a rep, I'm a rep. Why don't we let our bosses argue over this stuff. If it does turn out that your product doesn't meet label claims (and it obviously doesn't already in several ways, regardless of the ingredients), the less you say about it now the less words you'll have to eat later.
    LMAO, you bring up lable claims? Im Curious, and i would like to hear Mr. Arnold answer this, has he never sold a supplement that has been tainted? or are you saying this? I would choose my words carefully...
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    People can do whatever they like with the information. Deny it, believe it, ignore it, whatever. It's not my job to defend test results I haven't seen. There are enough other points raised in that thread about the Taurus product to make one question the accuracy of the label.
    I think if the shoe were on the other foot (Taurus or some other company claiming your products were inaccurate) you might believe otherwise about the need for proof.Without proof reps and owners can just go around all day talking about the fact that competitors products don't have in them what they say they have.

    I don't have a dog in this fight, and none of it effects my bottom line at all. But you're literally telling other people that the Taurus product is not what they say it is and then saying you haven't seen the test results....doesn't seem very fair to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Seriously. I love how all of these people who drop this crap provide no proof of the details of their sordid tales and then act as if the have no culpability in starting or keeping this rumor alive. Kind of like me saying I heard my neighbor is a pedophile. I am not saying he is, it is just what I have heard. Oh, no, no, I do not have any proof, I am just saying what I was told and trying to be honest about it. Don't expect me to be held accountable for this, because I did not say it was true, I am simply telling you what I heard. BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

    If you are worried about "honestly" or "culpability" (or even freaking decency for that matter) keep you mouth shut until you have something to back it up. But do not come in here playing all innocent with "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" and not expect to be accountable. What a damn cop out! At this point, I don't even care all that much about what the "truth" of the matter is, the SLIME BALL manner in which this rumor has been disseminated and the weasel like manner that those who have done it try to deny their own guilt in the issue sickens me. I was raised and honor that your word is your bond and have raised my children the same way, promise or no. If I told you I will perform it, I will perform it. If I don't KNOW something to be true, I do not repeat it. Even if it is true, I still may not repeat it if it will not be beneficial to anyone. Too bad for some people it seems that code of honor does not exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    Seriously. I love how all of these people who drop this crap provide no proof of the details of their sordid tales and then act as if the have no culpability in starting or keeping this rumor alive. Kind of like me saying I heard my neighbor is a pedophile. I am not saying he is, it is just what I have heard. Oh, no, no, I do not have any proof, I am just saying what I was told and trying to be honest about it. Don't expect me to be held accountable for this, because I did not say it was true, I am simply telling you what I heard. BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

    If you are worried about "honestly" or "culpability" (or even freaking decency for that matter) keep you mouth shut until you have something to back it up. But do not come in here playing all innocent with "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" and not expect to be accountable. What a damn cop out! At this point, I don't even care all that much about what the "truth" of the matter is, the SLIME BALL manner in which this rumor has been disseminated and the weasel like manner that those who have done it try to deny their own guilt in the issue sickens me. I was raised and honor that your word is your bond and have raised my children the same way, promise or no. If I told you I will perform it, I will perform it. If I don't KNOW something to be true, I do not repeat it. Even if it is true, I still may not repeat it if it will not be beneficial to anyone. Too bad for some people it seems that code of honor does not exist.
    This is all very heartwarming to hear and I'm sure it makes you feel great about yourself to come out with such crap. Don't call me a slime ball or a weasel. I'm neither.
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    LMAO, you bring up lable claims? Im Curious, and i would like to hear Mr. Arnold answer this, has he never sold a supplement that has been tainted? or are you saying this? I would choose my words carefully...
    We are not talking about supplements that contain miniscule traces of other compounds (say less than 1% contamination due to an unfinished reaction or something).
    We are talking about a product that does not contain the ingredients it says it does.
    And I always choose my words carefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    I think if the shoe were on the other foot (Taurus or some other company claiming your products were inaccurate) you might believe otherwise about the need for proof.Without proof reps and owners can just go around all day talking about the fact that competitors products don't have in them what they say they have.

    I don't have a dog in this fight, and none of it effects my bottom line at all. But you're literally telling other people that the Taurus product is not what they say it is and then saying you haven't seen the test results....doesn't seem very fair to me.
    Even if I had seen the mass spec data I would still be none the wiser. I have little to no understanding of how to read them. PA, on the other hand, has decades of experience at the GCMS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    This is all very heartwarming to hear and I'm sure it makes you feel great about yourself to come out with such crap. Don't call me a slime ball or a weasel. I'm neither.

    I didn't call any one anything. Those terms were my descriptors for the behavior I was observing. Read it again if you need to. If you think they apply to you personally, that is not my problem, that is yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    I didn't call any one anything. Those terms were my descriptors for the behavior I was observing. Read it again if you need to. If you think they apply to you personally, that is not my problem, that is yours.
    I don't need to read anything again. The inference was obvious. I'm sorry you seem to think I lack "honour", but at least I'm not backhandedly insulting people I know nothing about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    I don't need to read anything again. The inference was obvious. I'm sorry you seem to think I lack "honour", but at least I'm not backhandedly insulting people I know nothing about.
    That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. At this juncture, you have no credibility and your perspective about me is irrelevant to me. You are not going to rattle me that easily. Have a great day Henry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. At this juncture, you have no credibility and your perspective about me is irrelevant to me. You are not going to rattle me that easily. Have a great day Henry.
    I have no credibility? I think a lot of people would disagree with that view. You are certainly entitled to hold that opinion though.
    Have a nice day y'all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taman6886 View Post
    If I don't KNOW something to be true, I do not repeat it. Even if it is true, I still may not repeat it if it will not be beneficial to anyone. Too bad for some people it seems that code of honor does not exist.
    You are of course ignoring the public interest aspect of this.
    Given that the product is marketed as non-androgenic, it is being sold to women. I would think that women considering buying this product would be grateful that someone has discovered it may contain androgenic compounds (which could cause virilization).
    I would also think that those wishing to stay on the right side of the law would be grateful to find out that it may contain controlled substances.
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    So you and PA are obviously close, when are you going to show us this report?
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    You are of course ignoring the public interest aspect of this.
    Funny how PA brought this up, and showed zero evidence on this to be true.. but yet you sit here and accuse us and everyone else that were ignoring public interest.

    you brought it to the public, back it up and I'm saying this as a consumer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftergym33 View Post
    So you and PA are obviously close, when are you going to show us this report?
    I wouldn't say we were close. I doubt we've ever been on the same continent.

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    ...yet you sit here and accuse us and everyone else that were ignoring public interest.
    I said that to taman6886 when he was saying I was "dishonourable" for bringing the matter up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liftergym33 View Post
    you brought it to the public, back it up and I'm saying this as a consumer.
    It's not that easy to separate motives (you as both a consumer and rep), as you guys have been pointing out (PA as both tester and competitor).

    Surely the pressure should be on the manufacturer of the product to demonstrate that it contains what it says it does. This would hardly be the first time a bodybuilding product was found to contain something other than what is on the label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    I wouldn't say we were close. I doubt we've ever been on the same continent.



    I said that to taman6886 when he was saying I was "dishonourable" for bringing the matter up.



    It's not that easy to separate motives (you as both a consumer and rep), as you guys have been pointing out (PA as both tester and competitor).

    Surely the pressure should be on the manufacturer of the product to demonstrate that it contains what it says it does. This would hardly be the first time a bodybuilding product was found to contain something other than what is on the label.
    hardly the first time PA made something that contained stuff other then what was on the label... oh wait I forgot he is the watchdog and would NEVER do something like that right..
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    I wouldn't say we were close. I doubt we've ever been on the same continent.



    I said that to taman6886 when he was saying I was "dishonourable" for bringing the matter up.



    It's not that easy to separate motives (you as both a consumer and rep), as you guys have been pointing out (PA as both tester and competitor).

    Surely the pressure should be on the manufacturer of the product to demonstrate that it contains what it says it does. This would hardly be the first time a bodybuilding product was found to contain something other than what is on the label.
    Seriously, don't church up your role here...were board reps, who can be replaced by the push of a keyboard button. do you honestly think any of the profits that TN makes goes into my pockets? LMAO..bottom line is you brought this up, so back it up. This is clearly what taman was saying, your spitting out venom on something that you know or haven't seen any bit of truth on, and yet your not even close to PA (As you said) but yet, you sit here and commend yourself for....Stellar performance my friend, and this is what builds you a stellar reputation you say? again I just pissed all over my leg!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    hardly the first time PA made something that contained stuff other then what was on the label... oh wait I forgot he is the watchdog and would NEVER do something like that right..
    I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I believe I covered this topic when I said:

    Quote Originally Posted by henryv
    We are not talking about supplements that contain miniscule traces of other compounds (say less than 1% contamination due to an unfinished reaction or something).
    We are talking about a product that does not contain the ingredients it says it does.
    You'll note that this was the same distracting technique that ****/whatever the "sister company" is called tried when confronted with evidence that their Monsterdrol XT wasn't what they said it was. A technique that failed then and made them look very stupid in their "**** you PA thread" (since deleted), and will fail again if you insist on pushing the subject here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftergym33 View Post
    Seriously, don't church up your role here...were board reps, who can be replaced by the push of a keyboard button. do you honestly think any of the profits that TN makes goes into my pockets? LMAO..bottom line is you brought this up, so back it up. This is clearly what taman was saying, your spitting out venom on something that you know or haven't seen any bit of truth on, and yet your not even close to PA (As you said) but yet, you sit here and commend yourself for....Stellar performance my friend, and this is what builds you a stellar reputation you say? again I just pissed all over my leg!
    This would appear to be some kind of personal insult, so I'll just pretend you didn't say it and instead kept your dignity intact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    This would appear to be some kind of personal insult, so I'll just pretend you didn't say it and instead kept your dignity intact.
    Do you agree with anything im writting? serioulsy...... a Lifter to Henry Question?
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    Do you agree with anything im writting? serioulsy...... a Lifter to Henry Question?
    I agree that your rep benefits aren't directly linked to TN profits. I think that's about all I can agree with.
    I'm not spitting venom. The rest of your diatribe seems to be an attempt to twist my words to present me in a bad light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    I agree that your rep benefits aren't directly linked to TN profits. I think that's about all I can agree with.
    I'm not spitting venom. The rest of your diatribe seems to be an attempt to twist my words to present me in a bad light.
    Henry r you serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftergym33 View Post
    Henry r you serious?
    In the posts in this thread? Yeah.
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    In the posts in this thread? Yeah.
    im speechless..............:roll:
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    im speechless..............:roll:
    Hopefully that means you'll stop posting in here soon.
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