7-Spray

[Whacked]

Any difference between THIS and Taurus Nutrition's 7-keto spray that got great reviews here and TONS of posts.

[henryv]

Ours contains what it says it does.

[BurghHardcore]

Ours contains what it says it does (and no controlled substances).

Care to expand on that? Would be interesting to know what you know on this? What did I miss?

[henryv]

Care to expand on that? Would be interesting to know what you know on this? What did I miss?

I understand a bottle was sent by a customer to a third party and the test results were unsatisfactory. Obviously chain of custody was not intact (since it could have been tampered with by the customer), the results have not been made public by the customer, and I have no desire to be sued (wrongfully or otherwise) so I'll just say that I understand the sample tested was about 50% 7-keto.

[Whacked]

OUCH

[T50]

I understand a bottle was sent by a customer to a third party and the test results were unsatisfactory. Obviously chain of custody was not intact (since it could have been tampered with by the customer), the results have not been made public by the customer, and I have no desire to be sued (wrongfully or otherwise) so I'll just say that I understand the sample tested was about 50% 7-keto.

Where is the lab report proving this?

[Liftergym33]

Where is the lab report proving this?

Something id like to see also..

[fightbackhxc]

Ours contains what it says it does.

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dude dont make a claim like that and not back it up....this isnt BB.com. If you are going to make a claim have some evidence to prove it rather than just hearsay or stories.

[Liftergym33]

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dude dont make a claim like that and not back it up....this isnt BB.com. If you are going to make a claim have some evidence to prove it rather than just hearsay or stories.

lol, seriously.... this gets better and better, great way to sell a product

[JudoJosh]

I understand a bottle was sent by a customer to a third party and the test results were unsatisfactory. Obviously chain of custody was not intact (since it could have been tampered with by the customer), the results have not been made public by the customer, and I have no desire to be sued (wrongfully or otherwise) so I'll just say that I understand the sample tested was about 50% 7-keto.

a little disingenuous here bud.

The story, from what I understand, goes:

Customer sent the bottle to PA who is a little more then just a "third party" but the owner of a company who produces a similar 7-keto spray product for TWICE the cost of 7-KE. He then claims the ingredients arent what they say they are on the label WITHOUT any evidence whatsoever and since PHF worships PA everyone jumps on the hating bandwagon.

How come no one sees this for what it truly is? A competing company upset that TN offered a similar product for half the cost so in efforts to defame said product wild claims and accusations were made with no evidence backing these claims and since the internet LOVES the drama it becomes the talk of the interwebs. He definitely has a motive here to cause doubt over 7KE and I would have thought this would at the very least cause people to think twice before just co-signing the statement but alas I guess people love the drama way to much to stop and actually think about it.

[StackedCop]

If 7Ke spray had banned steroids in it wouldn't people be reporting side effect. For exp wouldn't Rosie be all ****ed up?? She uses this stuff like body wash lol

[henryv]

dude dont make a claim like that and not back it up....this isnt BB.com. If you are going to make a claim have some evidence to prove it rather than just hearsay or stories.

This isn't bb.com and I'm not a bb.commer. The question was asked what the differences are, and I gave what I believe to be an honest answer. I was quite clear about it as well. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just passing on what I have been told.
Check out this thread for more info. You may want to start at this point if you're only interested in the 7-ke stuff.

[henryv]

a little disingenuous here bud.

Actually I was being very honest, but I have no interest in being named in any suit so I'm trying to be careful not to expose myself or my boss to the potential for litigation.

He definitely has a motive here to cause doubt over 7KE and I would have thought this would at the very least cause people to think twice before just co-signing the statement but alas I guess people love the drama way to much to stop and actually think about it.

PA has been testing supplements on behalf of the industry and the consumer for many years. Sometimes the products are exactly what they are supposed to be. Sometimes they are not. And I haven't signed any statement, co- or otherwise.

[fightbackhxc]

This isn't bb.com and I'm not a bb.commer. The question was asked what the differences are, and I gave what I believe to be an honest answer. I was quite clear about it as well. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just passing on what I have been told.Check out this thread for more info. You may want to start at this point if you're only interested in the 7-ke stuff.

Henry I know who ya are. I know you are knowledgeable but you are are probably a bit bias. Ill check it out.. But im just tired of board drama based on what someone said. Seems like there jas been too m uch lately

[henryv]

Henry I know who ya are. I know you are knowledgeable but you are are probably a bit bias. Ill check it out.. But im just tired of board drama based on what someone said. Seems like there jas been too m uch lately

People can do whatever they like with the information. Deny it, believe it, ignore it, whatever. It's not my job to defend test results I haven't seen. There are enough other points raised in that thread about the Taurus product to make one question the accuracy of the label.

[JudoJosh]

Actually I was being very honest, but I have no interest in being named in any suit so I'm trying to be careful not to expose myself or my boss to the potential for litigation.



PA has been testing supplements on behalf of the industry and the consumer for many years. Sometimes the products are exactly what they are supposed to be. Sometimes they are not. And I haven't signed any statement, co- or otherwise.

[henryv]

I don't see what's funny. Some companies pay PA for testing. Some consumers pay PA for testing. Sometimes he does it for free because he's interested in the results.

Look. You're a rep, I'm a rep. Why don't we let our bosses argue over this stuff. If it does turn out that your product doesn't meet label claims (and it obviously doesn't already in several ways, regardless of the ingredients), the less you say about it now the less words you'll have to eat later.

[taman6886]

Seriously. I love how all of these people who drop this crap provide no proof of the details of their sordid tales and then act as if the have no culpability in starting or keeping this rumor alive. Kind of like me saying I heard my neighbor is a pedophile. I am not saying he is, it is just what I have heard. Oh, no, no, I do not have any proof, I am just saying what I was told and trying to be honest about it. Don't expect me to be held accountable for this, because I did not say it was true, I am simply telling you what I heard. BULL****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

If you are worried about "honestly" or "culpability" (or even freaking decency for that matter) keep you mouth shut until you have something to back it up. But do not come in here playing all innocent with "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" and not expect to be accountable. What a damn cop out! At this point, I don't even care all that much about what the "truth" of the matter is, the SLIME BALL manner in which this rumor has been disseminated and the weasel like manner that those who have done it try to deny their own guilt in the issue sickens me. I was raised and honor that your word is your bond and have raised my children the same way, promise or no. If I told you I will perform it, I will perform it. If I don't KNOW something to be true, I do not repeat it. Even if it is true, I still may not repeat it if it will not be beneficial to anyone. Too bad for some people it seems that code of honor does not exist.

[Liftergym33]

I don't see what's funny. Some companies pay PA for testing. Some consumers pay PA for testing. Sometimes he does it for free because he's interested in the results.

Look. You're a rep, I'm a rep. Why don't we let our bosses argue over this stuff. If it does turn out that your product doesn't meet label claims (and it obviously doesn't already in several ways, regardless of the ingredients), the less you say about it now the less words you'll have to eat later.

LMAO, you bring up lable claims? Im Curious, and i would like to hear Mr. Arnold answer this, has he never sold a supplement that has been tainted? or are you saying this? I would choose my words carefully...

[seccsi]

People can do whatever they like with the information. Deny it, believe it, ignore it, whatever. It's not my job to defend test results I haven't seen. There are enough other points raised in that thread about the Taurus product to make one question the accuracy of the label.

I think if the shoe were on the other foot (Taurus or some other company claiming your products were inaccurate) you might believe otherwise about the need for proof.Without proof reps and owners can just go around all day talking about the fact that competitors products don't have in them what they say they have.

I don't have a dog in this fight, and none of it effects my bottom line at all. But you're literally telling other people that the Taurus product is not what they say it is and then saying you haven't seen the test results....doesn't seem very fair to me.