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    Hey Pat a number of months ago in MD mag you said that you felt for andropause an AI (like 60X0)would be better than testosterone therapy for the long term. Do you still feel that way? Or do you feel now that a DAA product is a better choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr View Post
    Hey Pat a number of months ago in MD mag you said that you felt for andropause an AI (like 60X0)would be better than testosterone therapy for the long term. Do you still feel that way? Or do you feel now that a DAA product is a better choice?

    DAA and/or an AI are better choices if the dysfunction is the whole HPTA and not just the testicles. Its alot better i think to get your own axis working normally than shutting it down further with exogenous hormone
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    Is there any risk of shutdown with this stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt1121 View Post
    Is there any risk of shutdown with this stuff?

    There should not be
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    so do you think that someone could switch back and forth between an AI and DAA instead of using hormone replacement therapy? I stopped therapy a n umber of years ago because the docs are a pain in the ass and aren't consistent with injections to establish a baseline with bloodwork and I hate the androgel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr View Post
    so do you think that someone could switch back and forth between an AI and DAA instead of using hormone replacement therapy? I stopped therapy a n umber of years ago because the docs are a pain in the ass and aren't consistent with injections to establish a baseline with bloodwork and I hate the androgel.
    why not take the AI and DAA together?

    The only way to find out if it will work for you or anyone else is by trying it and getting blood work

    I would try the DAA first by itself. If an AI needs to be added be sure to use the smallest dose possible to elevate testosterone without lowering estrogen too much
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    when will you come out with a new AI? since 6oxo is no longer available
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanzdslpwr View Post
    when will you come out with a new AI? since 6oxo is no longer available
    That I dont know. If i do come out with such a product it wont be steroidal thats for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    why not take the AI and DAA together?

    The only way to find out if it will work for you or anyone else is by trying it and getting blood work

    I would try the DAA first by itself. If an AI needs to be added be sure to use the smallest dose possible to elevate testosterone without lowering estrogen too much
    Pat,

    I saw on another forum that you said coupling an anti-aromatase and SHBG reducer with TestForce 2 would intensify the LH/FSH boost. I looked into a few different products and while I know App Nut Free Test isn't your product it has both those qualities. Would taking the full dose of the AI Free Test (2 caps twice daily) actually hinder the results of TestForce?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothballer View Post
    Pat,

    I saw on another forum that you said coupling an anti-aromatase and SHBG reducer with TestForce 2 would intensify the LH/FSH boost. I looked into a few different products and while I know App Nut Free Test isn't your product it has both those qualities. Would taking the full dose of the AI Free Test (2 caps twice daily) actually hinder the results of TestForce?
    As far as the testosterone boosting effects it should increase it if anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    As far as the testosterone boosting effects it should increase it if anything
    But do you believe by taking the full dose coupled with TF would lower my estrogen too much to hinder my gains. I want to get the most out of what I am doing I highly value your expert opinion. Thanks in advance.
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    Pat - can I stack this with Molecular Nutrition's X-Factor (arachiadonic acid) for an even greater effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothballer View Post
    But do you believe by taking the full dose coupled with TF would lower my estrogen too much to hinder my gains. I want to get the most out of what I am doing I highly value your expert opinion. Thanks in advance.

    That I dont know. YOu would need to do blood tests
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt1121 View Post
    Pat - can I stack this with Molecular Nutrition's X-Factor (arachiadonic acid) for an even greater effect?
    there is nothing harmful about stacking the two. what you will acheive from such a stack i dont really know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    That I dont know. YOu would need to do blood tests
    OK. Thank you for you input.
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    PA I have a question as well. What are your thoughts on mega dosing bcaa like scivation recommends? Would a gear user benefit from the mega dosing on a bulk?
  

  
 

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