[OneScrewLoose]

I'm a user at the imminst.org forums and someone there recommended to me that I contact a Designer Supplements rep over here about me problem. So here it is.

About 3 weeks ago I started taking a test booster/ai suppressor (Neogenix Supremacy) for different reasons, but the effects of it were much more than I expected. My ADD, insomnia, and depression all were greatly diminished. So in light of this the user gave me the suggestion of contacting you guys to do a detailed log of one of your products in exchange for a hormone panel.

Spring break is coming and the current product I am taking is becoming less effective. I would go off it for spring break and see how I do, get the panel, then start the log of what you guys would put me on. I'm very willing to do this in light of the initial effects I first had.

If your interested here's the link of the post explaining everything a lot more

htt*://ww*.imminst.org/forum/Test-booster-changing-my-life-t20686.html
(sorry about breaking your 20 posts to link rule, no harm intended)

Thanks for your time.

[TheNoid]

I saw your post on imminst.org. Good stuff, definitely sounds like your benefiting from divanil. Good stuff imho.

[OneScrewLoose]

Unfortunately the effects are diminishing fast. If a rep doesn't offer a panel or something I'll probably just go straight for a suicide AI like 6-Oxo. Any opinions on this?

[pmiller383]

Dude you should definitely back off the supps and get a panel from a doctor regardless if you get a product or not. Hormonal imbalances are not uncommon and a doctor may offer you a lot more benefits than a dietary supplement. Also you don't want to continually try to eliminate estrogens because they serve a purpose in your body. I definitely recommend you speak to a professional doctor and explain your situation fully before self medicating.

[OneScrewLoose]

Originally Posted by pmiller383

Dude you should definitely back off the supps and get a panel from a doctor regardless if you get a product or not. Hormonal imbalances are not uncommon and a doctor may offer you a lot more benefits than a dietary supplement. Also you don't want to continually try to eliminate estrogens because they serve a purpose in your body. I definitely recommend you speak to a professional doctor and explain your situation fully before self medicating.

I simply don't have the money to get a hormone panel right now, I'm a poor college student. I'll look into it through my campus doctor, but I doubt he'll get me one. A bottle of 6-oxo is about 1/10 of the cost of the panel. I appreciate the thought though.

[pmiller383]

I understand the college thing completely, and your right the campus doctor probably wont give you one, but it doesn't hurt to give it a shot. Also how is your diet/lifestyle. Do you get at least 8 hours sleep? Do you eat enough fats including saturated fats? These things could all have drastic effects on testosterone. Hope things work out for you though and keep us posted.

[OneScrewLoose]

I have celiac disease (gluten intolerance) and other food intolerances, including milk, soy and nuts. So I only eat meat, veggies, fruit, rice, potato and corn. There's virtually almost no junk food I can eat, so my diet is as clean as you can get. I eat meat every day and have two shakes a day partly which contain olive oil, so I'm getting all my fats. I currently do not have celiac sprue, so I am absorbing all my nutrients.

The first couple of weeks on supremacy I was getting 8 hours a night. However, for ten years of my life I've had insomnia, and since the supplement has started wearing off, it's come back. My insomnia is severe, and even prescription sleeping pills stop working after a week. Took me two hours to go to sleep last night after having 3mg of melotonin and 15mg of restoril (temazepam). This is the most difficult part about the supp not working anymore cause I was so happy to sleep on a regular basis. It's why I'm so anxious to try something else. Don't know what to do at this point.

[OneScrewLoose]

Some good news. The doctor's at my school DO do testosterone panels. But I don't think this includes estrogen. So, is it possible to have high estrogen levels without having low test levels?

[pmiller383]

I may not be 100% right here, so take this with a grain of salt. But I believe that it is all about the balance between the two, and if your testosterone is in the normal range your estrogin will most like be as well. Estrogen is made from testosterone so your body will naturally keep some checks and balances on the two. If you find out that your testosterone levels are in check you may benefit from an Aromatase inhibitor compared to 6oxo which is a suicide inhibitor of estrogen. Reversatrol (probably spelled that wrong) may be something you want to look into. It has anti-aromatose effects and also has many other benefits for cardiovascular health. Also it most likely will be far safer for long term use then a hormonal product like 6oxo.

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by OneScrewLoose

Some good news. The doctor's at my school DO do testosterone panels. But I don't think this includes estrogen. So, is it possible to have high estrogen levels without having low test levels?

if its a sex hormone panel, it would include estrogen. but yes, estrogen + testosterone levels don't necessarily correlate in any particular direction. having a higher estrogen generally means a lower testosterone because the estrogen is made from the testosterone. but you could have both be high as well

[pmiller383]

Thanks for clearing up the non correlation between test and estrogen Easy