[jaydesiel4651]

Running an epistane cycle for 4 weeks @ 30 mgs. for pct i will be running toremifene, Nha stack, and retain. and a few herbals, maca and longjack are my 2 favs. but my question is i planned on running the SERM inverse to tme nha, but i was going to run the torm for only 4 weeks, so i have a few options and i would like to know which looks best.

week 1- torm 120 mg, 3 retain, and 1 rebound reloaded
week 2- torm 90 mg, 3 retain, 2 rebound reloaded
week 3- torm 60 mg, 2 retain, 2 rebound reloadded, 4 activate
week 4- torm 30 mg, 1 retain, 3 rebound reloaded, 4 activate
week 5- 4 activate
week 6- 4 activate

week 1- torm 120 mg, 3 retain, and 1 rebound reloaded
week 2- torm 90 mg, 3 retain, 1 rebound reloaded
week 3- torm 60 mg, 2 retain, 2 rebound reloadded, 4 activate
week 4- torm 30 mg, 1 retain, 2 rebound reloaded, 4 activate
week 5- 4 activate, 3 reloaded
week 6- 4 activate, 3 reloaded

any suggestions? my biggest concern was if its ok to run the ai after the SERM. or to do the opposite

[Beige]

Those are so close that I think either of them would work. I'd personally use the second one. Are you running the MACA and Longjack throughout all of this? Either way looks like a pretty solid PCT.

[jaydesiel4651]

yea, maca and longjack will be run throughout. i was also thinking about doing the rebound reloaded 1,2,3,2,1 or doing it 2,2,3,3,2,1....most people seem to be doing it 50,50,75,75

[Werewolf]

Here is what I am doing in this thread. i think you find alot of information you are looking for in it.

Toremifene Citrate vs Tamoxifen Citrate

[jaydesiel4651]

does anybody think it would be better to drop the nha and retain in pct and just go with restore. i already have the nha, but havent got the retain yet

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651

does anybody think it would be better to drop the nha and retain in post cycle therapy and just go with restore. i already have the nha, but havent got the retain yet

I don't think so, go with NHA.

[jaydesiel4651]

does anyone think it would be better to taper up and down on the ai, so its at its highest when i stop the torm and then taper down like this

torm 120 RR- 1
torm 90 RR- 2
torm 60 RR- 3
torm 30 RR- 3
RR-2
RR-1

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by jaydesiel4651

does anyone think it would be better to taper up and down on the ai, so its at its highest when i stop the torm and then taper down like this

torm 120 RR- 1
torm 90 RR- 2
torm 60 RR- 3
torm 30 RR- 3
RR-2
RR-1

I don't recommend any RR for the first 4 days. Let the torm do the work(and believe me it will) and your estrogen levels come up. Some people are having trouble with 3-Rebound Reloaded driving estrogen too low and having libido issues. The hpta axis adjusts in 3 to 4 days so you can do dose changes every 4 days if you want. DR D says you don't have to taper off RR because of long half-life, but I always do to be safe. I actually use 1 ATD, then 1 ATD and 1 RR, and finally 2 ATD and 1 RR. Keeps estrogen a little higher and I don't have any libido issues at 50 mgs or less of ATD. I only used three weeks of Torm last time 120-80-40, but I tapered straight into a NHA cycle.