[firefighter2032]

If I understand it all...

I've been rehabing an injured arm (torn tendon) and been having some great results with Oratropin form IBE. But I believe that the connective tissue itself is healed but I'm still finding that I'm having some issues with the muscle. I believe it has at some atrophy as a result of the injury.

The NHA stack has a way about it of keeping the estrogen down which in turn (if I have this right) will aid in the rehab of my arm and provide the extra boost to my body to speed the recovery of the muscle.

Just curious as to anyone's opinion to whether or not something like an NHA stack would be of value to help the muscle itself in the rehab part of my therapy.

Thanks

[SubliminalX]

I've heard Oratropin is a gimmick. NHA is mild IMO, although it did increase my free T almost threefold (I posted bloodwork a while back). Still, didn't noticed much in terms of raw muscle growth. Some boost in strength, fat loss, and overall good feeling though.

[ragnar]

I'm currently rehabbing a partial tear in my rotator cuff and have experienced good results while using Oratropin-1, Super Cissus RX, and the NHA stack. I think that it's important, though, to use less than the prescribed amount of Rebound Reloaded in the NHA stack. You want to reduce estrogen without eliminating it. My shoulder was feeling even more creaky than usual when I was taking 3 Rebound Reloaded caps each day; I cut back to 1 cap per day and I've felt noticeably better ever since.

[firefighter2032]

Not here to start a debate subliminal, but I must say that the oratropin worked great for me.

Thanks Ragnar, I'll see if I can perhaps swing the funds and perhaps pick the product up, just wanted to make sure I had the thinking down right.

thanks

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by firefighter2032

If I understand it all...

I've been rehabing an injured arm (torn tendon) and been having some great results with Oratropin form IBE. But I believe that the connective tissue itself is healed but I'm still finding that I'm having some issues with the muscle. I believe it has at some atrophy as a result of the injury.

The NHA stack has a way about it of keeping the estrogen down which in turn (if I have this right) will aid in the rehab of my arm and provide the extra boost to my body to speed the recovery of the muscle.

Just curious as to anyone's opinion to whether or not something like an NHA stack would be of value to help the muscle itself in the rehab part of my therapy.

Thanks

Actually Estrogen helps IGF-1R3 work better.

[firefighter2032]

So then I should take the NHA stack when I'm not taking
IGF-1R3 or should they be taken in conjunction?

thanks

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by SubliminalX

I've heard Oratropin is a gimmick. NHA is mild IMO, although it did increase my free T almost threefold (I posted bloodwork a while back). Still, didn't noticed much in terms of raw muscle growth. Some boost in strength, fat loss, and overall good feeling though.

Oratrophin is not a gimmick, but IGF-1R3 will not pack muscle on like steriods. It is hard to notice effects unless you are healing a injury.

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by ragnar

I'm currently rehabbing a partial tear in my rotator cuff and have experienced good results while using Oratropin-1, Super Cissus RX, and the NHA stack. I think that it's important, though, to use less than the prescribed amount of Rebound Reloaded in the NHA stack. You want to reduce estrogen without eliminating it. My shoulder was feeling even more creaky than usual when I was taking 3 Rebound Reloaded caps each day; I cut back to 1 cap per day and I've felt noticeably better ever since.

2 is probably fine, but 3 does really drive estrogen low.

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by firefighter2032

So then I should take the NHA stack when I'm not taking
IGF-1R3 or should they be taken in conjunction?

thanks

You can them take together, but watch how low you drive your estrogen.

I use 2 Rebound-XT (50 mgs ADT) and 1 Rebound Reloaded.

This gives me the highest testosterone with keeping the estrogen too low. 3 Rebound Reloaded will defintely push estrogen lower. ADT has a bigger increase of testosterone per amount of estrogen reduction, but more 50 mgs can cause libido problems. You should not make dosing ramps faster than 4 day ramp to allow your body to reset testosterone output through the HPTA axis. The following is what I do with 7 day ramp.

week 1 - 25 mgs ADT, 4 ActivaTe
week 2 - 50 mgs ADT, 4 to 8 ActivaTe
weeks 3 through 6 - 50 mgs ADT and one Rebound Reloaded. 4 to 8 ActivaTe
week 7 - 50 mgs ADT, 4 to 8 ActivaTe
week 8 - 25 mgs ADT, 4 ActivaTe

I have some Mass-FX coming in mail to add in. I'm in week 2. My first time to try it.

[firefighter2032]

What is ADT?

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by firefighter2032

What is ADT?

Rebound -XT

[bigpetefox]

That would be ATD..

[Werewolf]

Originally Posted by bigpetefox

That would be ATD..

Opps, my bad spelling strikes again.

[donk]

I would wait till your shoulder is better then do NHA stack. If anything stick to 1cap/day of Rebound or your shoulder will end up feeling worse. Learned this from personal experience.